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Do you think they'd succeed? I'm not sure, but if they really wanted to, I think they could easily destroy the imperium...Thoughts?

Why should they?

Necrons gain nothing from this.
If they keep the Imperium around, they get:

- followers ( mechanicum )
- weapons ( pariah )
- food ( endless streams of fast breeding creatures )
- a party with their new bestest friends in red

Huh, I see what you mean....Why wouldn't the crons just kill the mechanicus though? They're still 'alive' so to speak.

When did necron actively attack Humans?
Right, the moment they got disturbed in their slumber so it wasn't directed at them but a general reaction to tresspassers.
The Mechanicum is inspired by a creature which may be a C'tan.
Would the necrons disobey a C'tan?
IMO its beneficial for them to secretly guide the Mechanicum and thus its not likely they attack a possible pawn.

The C'tan don't really seem interested in wiining per se. For example the C'tan could just eat Terra's star if they really wanted to. I think they just want to have fun really.

I think the necron lords themselves probably just want to sleep or kill the C'tan for what they did to them. There might be a few who are still raging at living races for having flesh or whatever, basically old school jealousy like they had with the old ones.

There's even people who say that the necrons haven't even escalated into a war yet and the troops we see are their equivalent of farmers and militia, and the real soldiers have yet to be activated. I guess they see all the crap in the galaxy as a harvest and not a war that actually threatens their security.

Now if that was all true and they did go on the offensive I would imagine they would activate some nasty dudes to roflstomp terra.

No they would not even bypass the entire Terran fleet. They have tried before. And they were wiped out by an entire titan legion.

'Possibly be a c'tan'

hmm...I've read this somewhere before..Oh yeah, the EMPRAH!

If what asimo77 said is true, I really don't think they'd need to destroy terra to make the empire collapse...

Samus_aran115 wrote:'Possibly be a c'tan'

hmm...I've read this somewhere before..Oh yeah, the EMPRAH!

If what asimo77 said is true, I really don't think they'd need to destroy terra to make the empire collapse...

There still would be alot of space marine chapters that could hold the imperium together. Plus how could the necrons bypass the Entire Grey Knight chapter that has 3,000?
And 50 titan legions?
And over 20,000,000 ships?
And the Imperail Fists Chapter!?!?!?

I don't remember any story involving titan legions and such, though I'm not sure why losing to entire titan legion is considred a failure I mean it's an entire titan legion that's a lot of dakka.

I do know 3 small necron scout ships landed on Mars and were promptly greeted cordially by the Imperium of Man.

Excuse my noobatry, but how many titans make up a titan legion? Like 10?

Not if Calgar has anything to say about it

Samus_aran115 wrote:Excuse my noobatry, but how many titans make up a titan legion? Like 10?

.....60......

Retribution wrote:Not if Calgar has anything to say about it

Well given how Calgar is a long, long way away from Terra I don't think he'll have much say in the matter. Rather he'll hear about it then turn up too late to actually do anything useful, just like the first time Terra came under attack from bad people...

Asherian Command wrote:There still would be alot of space marine chapters that could hold the imperium together. Plus how could the necrons bypass the Entire Grey Knight chapter that has 3,000?
And 50 titan legions?
And over 20,000,000 ships?
And the Imperail Fists Chapter!?!?!?

Lets see, the grey knights are made for dealing with Dameons more than anything-and as such are a Chapter of psykers. The Necrons are rather anti-psyker and have Pariahs designed to give Psykers a headache.

Depending on whether the Machine-God actually is a C'tan as per Mechanicum and various other sources imply the titan legions and other mechanicum forces may well help the Necrons or have a civil war of their own as allegiances are put to the test (or Machine Spirits rebel) So this could swing the battle in favour of the Necrons or the Imperium or be totally useless dependant on the true identity of the Omnissiah

20,000,000 ships? I find it hard to beleive there are that many ships in the Solar System. It just seems too many to be true. And don't forget the Necrons have their own fleets which are likely to be quite sizeable given the scale of their pre-sleep wars. The name also escapes me of a really big ship they had, mentioned in C:SM, World Engine(?) that caused massive devestation

The Imperial Fists. They may list Terra as Home planet but how much of the Chapter is actually based their will be minimal. The Fortress Monastry is based on the Phalanx, a mobile space ship which could be anywhere on a crusade-not neccesarily in the Solar System when the Necrons arrive


Thats all I have to say for now, other than if the necrons did decide to attack Terra it probably wouldn't end well for the Imperium of man

Also necron ships are the best in the galaxy, I think I have the BFG book somewhere but it unequivocally states just that.

Also the didn't the Ultramarines not even show up on Terra during the Horus Heresy? Lazy bastards!

I think at there current stage the Necron issue would be fairly minor and easily beaten problem against Terra, though if they fully awaken the legions they will easily crush humanity.
I really dont think the Necrons would think twice about wiping out humanity, its there job to slaughter life forms and provide food for their masters.
The other little details like the Mechanicus, the Pariahs and all those other little schemes are nothing more then that, schemes concocted by the capricous Deciever.

The C'tan dont have followers for the sake of it, they have them to entertain themselves and to mess with them.
Trully they dont need them, they have the Necrons as their eternal slaves, the other "followers" are nothing but toys for the C'tan to break and play with at their leisure.
The Deciever does what hes name suggests and messes with entire civilizations just so he can wipe them out and laugh about it.
The Nightbringer slaughters and terrorizes, that is his purpose and of all the C'tan I think he cares less about the potential shortcomings of wiping out humanity.

If the Necrons were able to slaughter their way through the core imperial worlds and subsectors and even reach terra. It would be game over by that point. The Imperium losing its most established and profitable/productive worlds would be a hammer blow to them.

What armies/fleets would the necrons employ against Terra? Is there any chance they could destroy Terra before an infinity of humans showed up? (Necrons seem like Eldar, super tech, not many of em)

5 Necron light escort ships penetrated the Solar system without being noticed. 1 even managed to land on Mars itself.
A single Necron World Engine destroyed/crippled most of a sector fleet and it took the sacrafice of an entire SM chapter to destroy it.

What if 10 or 15 of those showed up? Backed up by couple hundred ships like the one in Dark Creed. They have self-repairing, hard to detect, hard to kill, and monsterously powerful ships. Not to mention the ability to teleport directly onto ships. Naval armsen dont heavy heavy enough weapons to stop them when they do.

They can also teleport monoliths and troops directly to the surface of Terra itself.

Who knows maybe such an attack could be a cover by the Deciever to free the Void Dragon from prison on Mars.

You know when those escorts got through? During the 2nd war of Armmaggedon. I think the imperial Forces at that time were stretch a little thinly with the war in eye of terror as well. And let us not forget about legion of the damned. Which would come out of nowhere and start slaughtering every little bastard in their path.

Dude also a lot of these theory's are flawed as entire Fleets of alien races have attacked Terra, but were owned by the thousands of Orbital Cannons that Broke through a Battle Barge with one shot.

The C'tan hate each other. The Void Dragon would kill the Deceiver. As they both hate each other.

And the world engine was a entire planet. 10 or 15? Are you freaking insane? they probably only had one or two. As they were counters to destroy the the Black Stone Fortresses.

If you have no proof please find some. And please stop claiming the necrons are the best when they have so many flaws that literally it took a single battlebarge of Templars to Destroy entire fleet of Necrons.

There are over a million worlds in the galaxy plenty of space to hide ships.

Where is it written that Terra was attacked directly since the HH? the The legion of the Damned are a little mysterious. It isn't know when they are going to show up if at all.

It says directly in the Necron codex that the Deceiver knows it needs the other C'tan to cut the warp off from real space.

Its IS STATED in the necron codex that there are followers of the C'tan in the Mechanicus. Is it too hard to believe that they could aid the Necrons?

Please no insults against insanity here.

Was the story of the single battlebarge from a sm codex? We all know the quality of those writings. I mean the Templars want to be ultra's dont they?

Fact: The majority of necron forces are dormant.
Fact: Necron codex states the numbers of Necron ships are on the rise.
Fact:Codex states there are followers amongst the Mechanicus.
Fact:Necron ships are far more powerful and advanced then Imperial ships.

Please dont get everyone started on how many flaws there are in the Imperium too.

The Unforgiven Saint wrote:There are over a million worlds in the galaxy plenty of space to hide ships.

Where is it written that Terra was attacked directly since the The legion of the Damned are a little mysterious. It isn't know when they are going to show up if at all.

It says directly in the Necron codex that the Deceiver knows it needs the other C'tan to cut the warp off from real space.

Its IS STATED in the necron codex that there are followers of the C'tan in the Mechanicus. Is it too hard to believe that they could aid the Necrons?

Please no insults against insanity here.

Was the story of the single battlebarge from a sm codex? We all know the quality of those writings. I mean the Templars want to be ultra's dont they?

Fact: The majority of necron forces are dormant.
Fact: Necron codex states the numbers of Necron ships are on the rise.
Fact:Codex states there are followers amongst the Mechanicus.
Fact:Necron ships are far more powerful and advanced then Imperial ships.

Please dont get everyone started on how many flaws there are in the Imperium too.

Yes but all of them getting active at the same time? And all targeting one system? AT THE SAME TIME?!?!??
Doesn't seem a little too well, lets see impossible!
Even if the Necrons were awoken in full force. They would be spread out alot.
I know the necrons have the best ships! But to say they are the best race is completely and utter stupidity and ignorant!
Dude the Black Templars are badasses. And they are so much better than the ultramarines! Do not ever compare the Black Templars to the Ultras! That is kinda of an insult dude. If you have ever read the books you will see my reasoning.
In the blood raven books an entire fleet of those necrons were pains in the ass to the blood ravens. And they destoried it using a sword. The Sword of the Avatar. Of course those books are not really good and are probably the worst piece of literature I have ever read in the 40k universe.
But just imagine how many chapters would come running to terra? And also the Black templars are pretty close by too. And the Space wolves, and the Blood Angels.
We have had this discussion before.
Also you need to clean up your post as it is bluntly insulting.

C.S. Goto's mad scribblings should be discounted. Unless you believe that razorbacks turn into landraiders into razorbacks and Space Marines surf them.

The tomb worlds are being activated in the background. The Necrons and C'tan were organized enough to fight a galaxy wide war for MILLIONS OF YEARS. I think they would be able to organize one attack fairly well. We don't know where the Necrons are centered/or even if they are centered. At this point we just don't know.

I never said they were the best race. I said they had the best ships. Those are two different things. As for the Black Templars, It says quite explicity in the C:SM that all chapters wish to be like the Ultras. It's just as cannon as the BT's destroying a fleet of Necron ships. If one isn't true than the other isn't as well. If we are pulling out things like a Space Marine using an Eldar Avatar's sword then we can use the Nexus arrangement from the Dark series. Ability for the Necrons to cut the warp off from an entire Solar system. No reinforcements to Terra, no Astronomican, nothing.

C.S. Goto, again, doesn't count. Those are the worst novels I have ever read, for a variety on reasons.

I can understand the imperium fanboyism, but let's face it if it came down to it Necrons could put the hurt on the Sol System. Target Terra directly? I'm not too sure but if they wanted to destroy the astronomicon I'm sure that would be the only reason. That or the Void Dragon wants revenge on the Emperor for his imprisonment. Tactically they probably would just destroy the planets surrounding to choke off vital supply lines and stable warp connections for reinforcements.

Unfortunately, the Eldar would come into play as well because if Mankind falls everyone is doomed. Remember that Eldar prophecy with the 4 C'tan reigning on high? Whole horizons of worlds emerald green with sickly pulse emissions of raw essence to feet hungry gods. Necrons can be stopped if their awakening is culled now but with attention drawn to imminent threats I doubt the Imperium would notice the rise of Necrons fast enough to counter. They have the Nids, Orks, Chaos and other predations to concern with at the ready, a tomb world going active would go under the radar long enough for full operations to take root by then...yeah good luck.

The Unforgiven Saint wrote:C.S. Goto's mad scribblings should be discounted. Unless you believe that razorbacks turn into landraiders into razorbacks and Space Marines surf them.

The tomb worlds are being activated in the background. The Necrons and C'tan were organized enough to fight a galaxy wide war for MILLIONS OF YEARS. I think they would be able to organize one attack fairly well. We don't know where the Necrons are centered/or even if they are centered. At this point we just don't know.

I never said they were the best race. I said they had the best ships. Those are two different things. As for the Black Templars, It says quite explicity in the C:SM that all chapters wish to be like the Ultras. It's just as cannon as the BT's destroying a fleet of Necron ships. If one isn't true than the other isn't as well. If we are pulling out things like a Space Marine using an Eldar Avatar's sword then we can use the Nexus arrangement from the Dark series. Ability for the Necrons to cut the warp off from an entire Solar system. No reinforcements to Terra, no Astronomican, nothing.

C.S. Goto, again, doesn't count. Those are the worst novels I have ever read, for a variety on reasons.

Did you even read my stuff?
You complain about that no one read your stuff! Plus it is stupid to believe the Black templars want to be like the Ultras. THAT IS SO FREAKING WRONG! YOU KNOW NOTHING OF SPACE MARINES!


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Kurgash wrote:I can understand the imperium fanboyism, but let's face it if it came down to it Necrons could put the hurt on the Sol System. Target Terra directly? I'm not too sure but if they wanted to destroy the astronomicon I'm sure that would be the only reason. That or the Void Dragon wants revenge on the Emperor for his imprisonment. Tactically they probably would just destroy the planets surrounding to choke off vital supply lines and stable warp connections for reinforcements.

Unfortunately, the Eldar would come into play as well because if Mankind falls everyone is doomed. Remember that Eldar prophecy with the 4 C'tan reigning on high? Whole horizons of worlds emerald green with sickly pulse emissions of raw essence to feet hungry gods. Necrons can be stopped if their awakening is culled now but with attention drawn to imminent threats I doubt the Imperium would notice the rise of Necrons fast enough to counter. They have the Nids, Orks, Chaos and other predations to concern with at the ready, a tomb world going active would go under the radar long enough for full operations to take root by then...yeah good luck.

Actually I found that wrong.
As every tomb world awakening is immediately greeted by an exterminatus.

I have been reading your posts. I have been responding to the points actually.
I read a lot of the novels and many of the codex. IT STATES THAT ALL SPACE MARINES WANT TO BE ULTRAS! Now, I realize that the BT's are a divergent chapter who believe that they are carrying on the Great Crusade. I know this. However, codex statements are codex statements. . .
Anyways, I know that Space Marines are walking war crimes. Children that are taken to be brainwashed, tortured, and the odds are likely that they will die before they even become full fledged marines. I think I know all I need to.
Could you please site the source that states that a single Battlebarge destroyed an entire fleet of Necrons? I haven't read the BT codex I'm afraid. There are no players of that particular chapter around here.

Damnos for one wasn't. Pavonis wasn't. The world from the short story with the deceiver story takes place wasn't. Caves of Ice was quarantined not exterminauted.

The Unforgiven Saint wrote:
Anyways, I know that Space Marines are walking war crimes. Children that are taken to be brainwashed, tortured, and the odds are likely that they will die before they even become full fledged marines. I think I know all I need to.

Alrighty that is complete BS. That has to be the dumbest thing i have heard in this entire thread. D:. First some are not childern some are actual adults, Chapters vary chapter to chapter.
Some absolutely HATE the ultras. Like my chapter would actually went into blows with ultras after they made us help them in their time of need and then we lost a recruiting world.
Alot of chapters hate the ultras. Like the Black Templars. That hate everything about the codex, same with the Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Dark Angels.
Also I was a Black Templar player. Black Templar fleets are huge. And a Battle Barge can lay waste to anything.... Plus an entire chapter of Astral Knights basically owned the World Engine.
And how have you not heard about that story? It has to be one of the best 40k lores ever written apart from the Cloudwolf stuff.
I am now a SC. Which is basically a Black Templar army. But less.

Blood Angels and Dark Angels are codex chapters. They only have slight divergences from the codex.

The glands can only be put into someone age 13 or 14? How are they not children considering they have to weed out the weak first. One of the problems with Luther from the DA was that he was too old. From "Tales of the Heresy" a space Wolves company was too old to be given geneseed. They demanded it anyway and practicaly ALL OF THEM DIED!

There is little reason to implant it in adults.
What would you say if some group came, took your kid at age 6, then a few years later told you he died in training? That's a crime. It is WRONG. Okay, so maybe that's a personal opinion but I wouldn't want any child of mine taken like that

To try and pull this thread back on track

It is entirely possible that the Necrons could get together a large enough forces to actually attack Terra itself. The numbers of Necrons currently dormant are not stated. But given the size and scale of the 40k universe and how the Necrons and C'tan masters did at one stage have control of almost its entirety we could put an estimate down as a few million/billion.

There is no requitement for any of the C'tan to be directly involved in the attack, nor would they have to co-operate with each other. Rather the personal army of one (for the sake of argument the Deceiver) would possibly be large enough and strong enough to attack Terra alone and still inflict appauling casualties even if they were unable to take Terra.

As to the argument over Warp travel reinforcments, there are two ways to look at it. As The Unforgiven Saint mentioned the Necrons do have anti warp gizmo's. Most notably the Nexus arrangement-preventing warp travel into the system, and when on full power crippling psykers as well. So not only would reinforcements not be able to enter the system it would also disable the Astronomican for all Imperial ships that have gone into the warp. This alone would cause a massive detah toll.
Or, alternatively, it is important to remember that warp travel is not the most accurate or reliable form of travel. A ship that takes off from Maccrage might well arrive in time to help, or arrive far far to late. As a result there is no way for Imperial commanders to definitely know when and if reinforcement are going to arrive. Which could easily give the necrons an upper hand.

And thats all I'm posting before I see where this argument of Space marines is going...

The Unforgiven Saint wrote:Blood Angels and Dark Angels are codex chapters. They only have slight divergences from the codex.

The glands can only be put into someone age 13 or 14? How are they not children considering they have to weed out the weak first. One of the problems with Luther from the DA was that he was too old. From "Tales of the Heresy" a space Wolves company was too old to be given geneseed. They demanded it anyway and practicaly ALL OF THEM DIED!

There is little reason to implant it in adults.
What would you say if some group came, took your kid at age 6, then a few years later told you he died in training? That's a crime. It is WRONG. Okay, so maybe that's a personal opinion but I wouldn't want any child of mine taken like that

Actually the age space marines recurit varies from chapter to chapter.
Lets get back on topic the guy above i agree with. As he showed evidence and was alot less insulting and more of a caring poster that actually considers other people's point of view. not You saint.
I know the necron stuff i'm not newb when it comes to lore. But considering it is the necrons who are by far one of the most unmentioned and one of the least written races of all time! I do have to say there is barely any amount of info. As the necrons literally only have like 5-6 books written about them

At the very least can we all agree that the necrons (or any race for that matter) could hold their own or inflict serious damage to the IoM? I think if a race couldn't they probably wouldn't really be playable since 40k is about the IoM contending with its many enemies and threats.

inb4 tau are weak and not a threat