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purplefood wrote:One of those articles said that the Necrons existed 60,000,000 years before the 41st milenium... weren't dinosaurs around before then?

Even thought we know the Necrons co-existed with dinosaurs, we don't know if they ever rode them.

But they probably did!

Ouze wrote:

purplefood wrote:One of those articles said that the Necrons existed 60,000,000 years before the 41st milenium... weren't dinosaurs around before then?

Even thought we know the Necrons co-existed with dinosaurs, we don't know if they ever rode them.

But they probably did!

Regenerating robots riding dinosaurs... awesome

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:One of those articles said that the Necrons existed 60,000,000 years before the 41st milenium... weren't dinosaurs around before then?

the necronyt and the old ones are the oldest living races before the Chaos Gods were evil.

You must be kidding?

Your own quote states that the Necrontyr existed 60 000 000 before the 41st Millenium, it even states that Old Ones were around long before them. You know what that means, Old Ones were known for creating life on planets, the Eldar and the Krork were not their only creations, that means that by the time the Necrontyr even came into existence they probably produced hundreds of species across the galaxy.

As for your C'tan quote, "it is said that the C'tan are the oldest beings in existence".

While Im not denying the possibility, this really isnt a fact, its a rumour.

ColdFire wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:One of those articles said that the Necrons existed 60,000,000 years before the 41st milenium... weren't dinosaurs around before then?

the necronyt and the old ones are the oldest living races before the Chaos Gods were evil.

You must be kidding?

Your own quote states that the Necrontyr existed 60 000 000 before the 41st Millenium, it even states that Old Ones were around long before them. You know what that means, Old Ones were known for creating life on planets, the Eldar and the Krork were not their only creations, that means that by the time the Necrontyr even came into existence they probably produced hundreds of species across the galaxy.

As for your C'tan quote, "it is said that the C'tan are the oldest beings in existence".

While Im not denying the possibility, this really isnt a fact, its a rumour.

dude chaos gods in 40k are relatively new. The eldar even stated that because so many races have fallen in the past 20,000,000 years that the chaos gods are birthed by this.
The necrons are the oldest LIVING RACE!
OMG WTF ARE YOU NOT GETTING!
THE OLDEST LIVING RACE
highlight the living part. You will see that Are the eldar still the same since the 60,000,000 years ago? no! Are they better no. The necrons are back but their species number has not changed dramatically. They are the oldest living race. The Eldar and all the other races that use pyschic powers were made after the first war with necronyt. So the necrons are older.

The psychic races were made during the second war when the Old Ones began to lose ground.
Also aren't the Old ones older than the Necrontyr? Because from what i have read it was the Necrontyr, th old ones and the C'tan around at that time and no one else... apart from dinosaurs (my little joke)

Asherian Command wrote:
dude chaos gods in 40k are relatively new. The eldar even stated that because so many races have fallen in the past 20,000,000 years that the chaos gods are birthed by this.
The necrons are the oldest LIVING RACE!
OMG WTF ARE YOU NOT GETTING!
THE OLDEST LIVING RACE
highlight the living part. You will see that Are the eldar still the same since the 60,000,000 years ago? no! Are they better no. The necrons are back but their species number has not changed dramatically. They are the oldest living race. The Eldar and all the other races that use pyschic powers were made after the first war with necronyt. So the necrons are older.

Woah there, simmer down a little.

Firstly Eldar and Orks were not created after the war, the Old Ones were wiped out after the War so how would they have made them. If you are attempting to say that Necrons are some of the oldest INDIVIDUALS in the 40k universe I would agree, the Necrons today are the same generation of Necrons who fought all those years ago, Eldar have long lifespands but not that long and Orks tend to die early or have relatively normal lifespans.

But we are not talking about Individuals we are talking about species and how long they have existed, in this case it could be argued that Orks and Eldar have existed just as long because its actually mentioned that though the Eldar and Orks were nurtured towards war and violence against the Necrons they were made long before that.

ColdFire wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
dude chaos gods in 40k are relatively new. The eldar even stated that because so many races have fallen in the past 20,000,000 years that the chaos gods are birthed by this.
The necrons are the oldest LIVING RACE!
OMG WTF ARE YOU NOT GETTING!
THE OLDEST LIVING RACE
highlight the living part. You will see that Are the eldar still the same since the 60,000,000 years ago? no! Are they better no. The necrons are back but their species number has not changed dramatically. They are the oldest living race. The Eldar and all the other races that use pyschic powers were made after the first war with necronyt. So the necrons are older.

Woah there, simmer down a little.

Firstly Eldar and Orks were not created after the war, the Old Ones were wiped out after the War so how would they have made them. If you are attempting to say that Necrons are some of the oldest INDIVIDUALS in the 40k universe I would agree, the Necrons today are the same generation of Necrons who fought all those years ago, Eldar have long lifespands but not that long and Orks tend to die early or have relatively normal lifespans.

But we are not talking about Individuals we are talking about species and how long they have existed, in this case it could be argued that Orks and Eldar have existed just as long because its actually mentioned that though the Eldar and Orks were nurtured towards war and violence against the Necrons they were made long before that.

Dude the Necrons fought the Old ones in a war Before the Eldar even existed!
Also dude it was not orcs. It was ape like creatures. Orcs are descendants of the Kroks. But no Orcs are not the oldest race.
If anything the Slann are.

Asherian Command wrote:Dude the Necrons fought the Old ones in a war Before the Eldar even existed!
Also dude it was not orcs. It was ape like creatures. Orcs are descendants of the Kroks. But no Orcs are not the oldest race.
If anything the Slann are.

I think your getting two universes mixed up now since apparently the Fantasy and 40k universes are seperate, i dont like it but thats how it is.
Slann?
Slann dont currently exist in the 40k universe and even if they did the Slann were nothing but a slave race to the Old Ones, willing slaves but slaves none the less.

As for Orks I think that is debatable, the Ork legend of their origins "as we all know Orks dont actually keep trakc of history" the Orks were created by the Brainboyz, whether this is a hint to the Old Ones or if the Krork were these "Brainboyz" we will probably never know.

But this is getting off topic.
The Necrons did not fight in a war with the Old Ones before the Eldar existed, the Necrons could not do much without their deal with the C'tan, just as the C'tan had the Necrons as minions the Old Ones had Eldar and Krork's as their minions. But it is believed that both Krorks and Eldar existed before hand and were guided by the Old Ones into more warlike civilizations to help in the oncoming war.

Apologies for the long post, but I would just like to add a few things from the necron codex fluff to this discussion.


Age of the C`tan
p24 necron codex:
"It is said that the creation of the star gods took place during the creation of the universe itself... Long before planets had formed and cooled.."

So I would say that the C`tan is the oldest beings in the universe.

Age of Old Ones
p24 necron codex
"the planets eventually gave rise to life which began the long climb to sentience. First to cross the sea of stars was a race of beings called the old ones"

So in my understanding the first sentient space race was the Old Ones.

About the Necrontyr (necrons before servitude)
p24 necron codex
"As the old ones spread across the galaxy, younger fiercer races struggled in their wake. The Necrontyr was such a race"

The necrontyr expanded their empire and started colonizing other worlds, this is how they met the Old ones and the "war in heaven" started

The old ones pushed the necrontyr close to extinction (pushed them back to their home planet)

And then the Necrontyr met the C`tan...

RE: speed of necron ships:
P24 necron codex
(after joining up with the C`tan)
"Armed with weapons of god-like power and ships that could cross the galaxy in the blink of an eye"

PS. keep in mind that necrons don't use warp travel, so they have to travel multiple times the speed of light to "cross the galaxy in the blink of an eye"

Creation of Eldar:
p24 necron codex
"The C`tan now dominated the galaxy. The last bastions of the old ones were besieged and the races they had nurtured became cattle..."
"... Eventually even the Old ones, legendary for their patience and implacability became desperate. They manipulated life into new forms with an even stronger link to the warp..."
"... these included the earliest Eldar,..."

Birth of chaos gods:
p26 necron codex
"The growing pains of the younger races threw the untapped energies of the warp into disorder.... The maelstroms of spirits unleashed in the carnage coalesced into the previously formless energies of the warp"

Creation of the orks:
p26 necron codex
"The old ones brought forth newer creations to defend their last strongholds, like the hardy green skinned krork..."

Granted, it does not say ork, but it would seem safe to presume that the old krorks in the current orks

Who won the war between the necrons and the old ones:
p26 necron codex
"The necrons has been vindicated in their persuit of cold science, and had the undoubted pleasure of seeing the old ones civilization collapse..."

According to me, if you're in a war and your enemies civilization collapses, that count as a win in my book... might be wrong though

Then the suggestion that the Enslavers beat the necrons:
"They (C`tan) would allow the enslaver to take what was left and let the galaxy become a wasteland, the psyker swarm would die away and in time the galaxy would throw upnew life for the C`tan to consume."

So just to summarise:
First there were the C`tan
Second were the Old ones
Third were the necrontyr
Fourth were the Necrons (if you would like to add them as a race, since the creation of the necrons killed off the necrontyr)
Fith were the Eldar
Sixth were the Chaos gods as we know them now
Seventh were the kroks (orks)

Now you might ask were is the precious space mareens and humans in this picture...

well according to page 9 the human race were still swinging on trees during the war of heaven:
"the Mon-Keigh were nothing , They were comical tree beasts, part of the eco-system of their world"

Just my 2c

asimo77 wrote:The C'tan don't really seem interested in wiining per se. For example the C'tan could just eat Terra's star if they really wanted to. I think they just want to have fun really.

I think the necron lords themselves probably just want to sleep or kill the C'tan for what they did to them. There might be a few who are still raging at living races for having flesh or whatever, basically old school jealousy like they had with the old ones.

.

I thought Necron Lords are just beacons for c'tan to control the necron army?.

Isn't Terra where the machine god lives? why would he eat his own planet lol...i doubt it would be that easy for them to eat planets or else why need a necron army to help them.

Tai-Pan wrote:Apologies for the long post, but I would just like to add a few things from the necron codex fluff to this discussion.


Age of the C`tan
p24 necron codex:
"It is said that the creation of the star gods took place during the creation of the universe itself... Long before planets had formed and cooled.."

So I would say that the C`tan is the oldest beings in the universe.

Age of Old Ones
p24 necron codex
"the planets eventually gave rise to life which began the long climb to sentience. First to cross the sea of stars was a race of beings called the old ones"

So in my understanding the first sentient space race was the Old Ones.

About the Necrontyr (necrons before servitude)
p24 necron codex
"As the old ones spread across the galaxy, younger fiercer races struggled in their wake. The Necrontyr was such a race"

The necrontyr expanded their empire and started colonizing other worlds, this is how they met the Old ones and the "war in heaven" started

The old ones pushed the necrontyr close to extinction (pushed them back to their home planet)

And then the Necrontyr met the C`tan...

RE: speed of necron ships:
P24 necron codex
(after joining up with the C`tan)
"Armed with weapons of god-like power and ships that could cross the galaxy in the blink of an eye"

PS. keep in mind that necrons don't use warp travel, so they have to travel multiple times the speed of light to "cross the galaxy in the blink of an eye"

Creation of Eldar:
p24 necron codex
"The C`tan now dominated the galaxy. The last bastions of the old ones were besieged and the races they had nurtured became cattle..."
"... Eventually even the Old ones, legendary for their patience and implacability became desperate. They manipulated life into new forms with an even stronger link to the warp..."
"... these included the earliest Eldar,..."

Birth of chaos gods:
p26 necron codex
"The growing pains of the younger races threw the untapped energies of the warp into disorder.... The maelstroms of spirits unleashed in the carnage coalesced into the previously formless energies of the warp"

Creation of the orks:
p26 necron codex
"The old ones brought forth newer creations to defend their last strongholds, like the hardy green skinned krork..."

Granted, it does not say ork, but it would seem safe to presume that the old krorks in the current orks

Who won the war between the necrons and the old ones:
p26 necron codex
"The necrons has been vindicated in their persuit of cold science, and had the undoubted pleasure of seeing the old ones civilization collapse..."

According to me, if you're in a war and your enemies civilization collapses, that count as a win in my book... might be wrong though

Then the suggestion that the Enslavers beat the necrons:
"They (C`tan) would allow the enslaver to take what was left and let the galaxy become a wasteland, the psyker swarm would die away and in time the galaxy would throw upnew life for the C`tan to consume."

So just to summarise:
First there were the C`tan
Second were the Old ones
Third were the necrontyr
Fourth were the Necrons (if you would like to add them as a race, since the creation of the necrons killed off the necrontyr)
Fith were the Eldar
Sixth were the Chaos gods as we know them now
Seventh were the kroks (orks)

Now you might ask were is the precious space mareens and humans in this picture...

well according to page 9 the human race were still swinging on trees during the war of heaven:
"the Mon-Keigh were nothing , They were comical tree beasts, part of the eco-system of their world"

Just my 2c

Its an excellent summary

Thanks for clearing that stuff up even if I was wrong in some of it.

ColdFire wrote:

Its an excellent summary

Thanks for clearing that stuff up even if I was wrong in some of it.

Thank you for the compliment. Much appreciated.

Yeah the Slann are hinted in Rouge trader XD