ColdFire wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:
Necrons have no feelings. That makes no sense. Necrons are robots. Not Eldar.
They are older than the chaos gods.

As I mentioned before, Necrons are NOT robots, the process of a Necrons transformation is the removal of the Necrontyr's bitter, hate-filled soul and placing it in a artificial necrodermis body, more like a psuedo-spirit cyborg. Its soul is conscious though it is confined to the body of an automaton, the only true robots in the entire race are the scarabs and Tomb Spyders which all function with AI rather then an actual thinking mind.

Though I would not call their emotion rage, more like hate. Rage is anger, Hate is more of a loathing, the Necron hate all life because they used to have such terribly short and sick lives while others had long and fulfilling lives. Their jealousy turned to hate and when they made their deal with the C'tan they were free to not only mockingly live longer then their enemies but they were given the power to take their enemies lives away from them.
I think abaddon-gargamel means to say that the Necrons are unwittingly feeding the power of Khorne which is possible as hate is an emotion which embodies Khorne.

As for Necrons being older the the Chaos gods, this is unlikely.
If we ignore the fact that in the warp time does not exist and everything has existed forever and simultaneously never existed there is still the fact that the Chaos gods are born of the most primal emotions which even basic organisms can feel. There were races before the Necrons, the Old Ones made many more.
All of these races would know the four basic emotions of nature lust, hope, despair and bloodlust.
The Chaos gods have existed as long as there were organisms, they embody these emotions in a physical way, well as physical as warp material can get I guess.

As long as the universe has existed, the warp has existed. Our universe is one of incredible structure, order and regularity, the warp is one of incredible chaos, spontaneous flux's of energy and a whirlpool of psychic conscious and emotions with no purpose, reason or motive.

asimo77 wrote:The codex quite clearly points out this god showed up then this one, then this one, and so on. Within the warp time is crazy I guess, but it was calm before. Also I think much like tau they have no warp presence and such their emotions, if they have any, should not alter the warp at all.

Besides the warp/chaos is the number 1 enemy of the C'tan and necrons would be kinda bizzare for them to have any part in it. Also no necron psykers, cold hard science kinda seems to be their theme.

Asherian Command wrote:Well i found that wrong. As the chaos God Slaaneesh is a realtively new God.

ColdFire wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Well i found that wrong. As the chaos God Slaaneesh is a realtively new God.

Well yes, fluff on the chaos realm and the warp is confusing.

Though in the materium Slaanesh came to life because of the decadence and hedonism of the Eldar in the warp Slaanesh has always existed, I wonder if perhaps the term "birthing" in thsi regard is not trully in the sense we know as in giving birth to a being but more the concentration of all that raw emotion specifically up Slaanesh's alley was so strong that it allowed Slaanesh to be momentarily "birthed" into the material universe which subsequently killed most of the Eldar gods, wiped out their civilization and had them marked genetically for life as soul food.

How it is explained in the fluff is...

In the materium there is time and a timeline for all existence, the Eldar know that Slaanesh existed after the fall when she actually burst forth into the materium and wiped most of them out. This happened in a pin point in time because time is structured in ther materium.

In the warp time does not exist, the past, the present and the future are all occuring simultaneously in a whirlwind of conflict, peace time and great moments. It is mind boggling to us because we come from a realm that is structured, ordered and timed. In the warp though they would find us confusing as we break their laws of existence. Structure is abnormal in the warp and so is time. Though Slaanesh was found to exist in the materium at the fall of the Eldar in the warp she, he, it whatever has always existed and is old as the other gods themselves.

But like I said it is confusing, non sensical and absurd at times but that is what the warp is.

Penetration of Martian defenses by five xeno starships. Threat neutralised and landing site quarantined

ChaosGalvatron wrote:In the back of the Codex:Necrons it says regarding Mars

Penetration of Martian defenses by five xeno starships. Threat neutralised and landing site quarantined

I suspect the reasons they were able to land on Mars was because they went to a forbidden area, somewhere that nobody cared about and were in small craft.

you are kidding yourself if you think the necrons can destroy terra that easily. Its not going to be like when the minbari attacked Earth.

ChaosGalvatron wrote:I suspect the reasons they were able to land on Mars was because they went to a forbidden area, somewhere that nobody cared about and were in small craft.

ChaosGalvatron wrote:No. i dont mean Mars is somewhat insignificant. i mean that it is a planet, some places are important, some arent. the necrons probably went to where the Dragon is, which is a forbidden area. so it wasnt as well protected as all the factories etc.
I didnt mean to imply that the Terran solar system had easy to defeat defenses.

If a necron fleet showed up it would get met with maximum force. And of all the systems in the Imperium, Terra is the best defended.

Storm Lord wrote:

ChaosGalvatron wrote:No. i dont mean Mars is somewhat insignificant. i mean that it is a planet, some places are important, some arent. the necrons probably went to where the Dragon is, which is a forbidden area. so it wasnt as well protected as all the factories etc.
I didnt mean to imply that the Terran solar system had easy to defeat defenses.

If a necron fleet showed up it would get met with maximum force. And of all the systems in the Imperium, Terra is the best defended.

I'd have thought the Cadian Gate would be better defended, seeing as it has come under far more sustained attacks over the years.
Besides if Horus could break through the defenses of Terra, utilising the same Technology (plus Chaotic things) that the defenders had, and those involved in defeating Vandire during the age of Apostasy (apologies if that name isn't correct) were also able to march into Terra and inflict serious damage upon it, then imagine what the Necrons who are lightyears ahead of us in Tech could do.

Terra may be the heart of the Imperium, but it hasn't seen the same amount of conflict as other places have in the 'recent' years. In fact the Tyranid codex states that they are having to rebuild/strengthen the defenses of Terra in preperation to the Hive Fleets oncoming arrival. If this is the case, the defenses aren't up to much, and as previously mentioned reinforcements are not always reliable in getting where thay are needed on time

Ouze wrote:

ChaosGalvatron wrote:I suspect the reasons they were able to land on Mars was because they went to a forbidden area, somewhere that nobody cared about and were in small craft.

Yes, I agree - Mars, generally speaking, is not considered important to the Imperium. Someplace no one cares about, indeed.

My point remains - 5 small craft, penetrated far into the solar system, one was able to land. If they can do that with 5 scouts, what can they do with 500 freighters, carriers, cruisers and battleships?

ColdFire wrote:

Ouze wrote:

ChaosGalvatron wrote:I suspect the reasons they were able to land on Mars was because they went to a forbidden area, somewhere that nobody cared about and were in small craft.

Yes, I agree - Mars, generally speaking, is not considered important to the Imperium. Someplace no one cares about, indeed.

My point remains - 5 small craft, penetrated far into the solar system, one was able to land. If they can do that with 5 scouts, what can they do with 500 freighters, carriers, cruisers and battleships?

How is Mars insignificant to the Imperium?, the Mechanicum is possibly their greatest allie and provides them with all of their vehicles, weapons and technology. Mars sends thousands of enginseers and mech priests across the Imperium to repair, build and bring life to the machine spirit. Its most important feature those is its holy relics, while the Imperium's holy relics usually resemble things like the sword of a long lost hero, the armour of a saint etc etc, the Mechanicum's holy relics are far more useful. They are blueprints to the actual building of the many vehicles the Imperium uses, they dont mass produce these prints as they dont want them in the wrong hands or in the hands of heretics so they memorize it.

If Mars went down the Mechanicum would be struck a heavy blow and the Imperium would be on its way to a second Dark Age of Technology.

As for the Necrons managing to set foot on Mars, I imagine this is because the Imperium has found that Necron craft move so fast that they are undetectable until they actually stop, so the Necrons could get a pretty good head start before Mars actually knew anything was going on.

purplefood wrote:

ColdFire wrote:

Ouze wrote:

ChaosGalvatron wrote:I suspect the reasons they were able to land on Mars was because they went to a forbidden area, somewhere that nobody cared about and were in small craft.

Yes, I agree - Mars, generally speaking, is not considered important to the Imperium. Someplace no one cares about, indeed.

My point remains - 5 small craft, penetrated far into the solar system, one was able to land. If they can do that with 5 scouts, what can they do with 500 freighters, carriers, cruisers and battleships?

How is Mars insignificant to the Imperium?, the Mechanicum is possibly their greatest allie and provides them with all of their vehicles, weapons and technology. Mars sends thousands of enginseers and mech priests across the Imperium to repair, build and bring life to the machine spirit. Its most important feature those is its holy relics, while the Imperium's holy relics usually resemble things like the sword of a long lost hero, the armour of a saint etc etc, the Mechanicum's holy relics are far more useful. They are blueprints to the actual building of the many vehicles the Imperium uses, they dont mass produce these prints as they dont want them in the wrong hands or in the hands of heretics so they memorize it.

If Mars went down the Mechanicum would be struck a heavy blow and the Imperium would be on its way to a second Dark Age of Technology.

As for the Necrons managing to set foot on Mars, I imagine this is because the Imperium has found that Necron craft move so fast that they are undetectable until they actually stop, so the Necrons could get a pretty good head start before Mars actually knew anything was going on.

Im gonna go out on a limb here and say he is being sarcastic.

purplefood wrote:Im gonna go out on a limb here and say he is being sarcastic.

Asherian Command wrote:The necrons have existed BEFORE the chaos gods. It is clearly pointed out by the eldar! The Necronyt and the C'tan are the oldest living races. (i just read like thousands of articles dealing with the necrons, but still they have alot of problems)

ColdFire wrote:Thanks purplefood for showing DakkaDakka my sarcasm metre wasnt turned on

Asherian Command wrote:The necrons have existed BEFORE the chaos gods. It is clearly pointed out by the eldar! The Necronyt and the C'tan are the oldest living races. (i just read like thousands of articles dealing with the necrons, but still they have alot of problems)

No they havnt, true they are ancient but there were many races which existed before them and the Old Ones are just one of them. Necrontyr were just a race who suffered horribly at the hands of a cancerous star, unwittingly discovered star vampires and were tricked into eternal servitude. But at the time they were not the oldest living things in the universe, noone knows who that is. It is hinted that the C'tan have existed for an immense amount of time before they were encased in necrodermis but whether or not they were around at the beggining of time is yet to be stated.

As I said before the Warp has existed ever since the dawn of the universe, it exists simultaneously with the materium. The Chaos Gods are the emotions of all living things fuelled and nurtured in the psychic womb which is the warp, as long as there has been a living being to feel the Chaos Gods have existed.

It is never clearly pointed out by the Eldar and for someone who apparently read thousands of articles on Necrons "which I highly doubt that many exist" you dont seem to know what you are talking about, Im trying to be as nice as possible but you seem to blatantly disregard all fluff which isnt Space Marines and hold the super humans up on a pedestal as the ultimate force in the universe which none can stop. Its like talking to a brick wall, sorry again if I come off as rude, Ive had a long, bad day.

purplefood wrote:One of those articles said that the Necrons existed 60,000,000 years before the 41st milenium... weren't dinosaurs around before then?

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:One of those articles said that the Necrons existed 60,000,000 years before the 41st milenium... weren't dinosaurs around before then?

the necronyt and the old ones are the oldest living races before the Chaos Gods were evil.

purplefood wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

purplefood wrote:One of those articles said that the Necrons existed 60,000,000 years before the 41st milenium... weren't dinosaurs around before then?

the necronyt and the old ones are the oldest living races before the Chaos Gods were evil.

But dinosaurs...