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I've only been playing warhammer 40k for about 2 months now, played one game, well partial game with a necron force i inherited from my friend. The necron force can use some work but I am not really too much into necron, just took it as a learner army. I have been sitting here for the past several weeks looking at games workshop trying to figure out what army I want to start on my own but have come to a total stand still in my decision. See I am a very indesisive person and have a very hard time making up my mind. It is one of my biggest flaws. As I was browsing GW I like alot of the models from a lot of the armies.

I was talking to my friend who got me into the game the other day I was talking to him about how I have been leaning towards an IG army and he damn near flipped on me, he is like, no no no, everyone plays IG, it's an expensive army, it's not a good first time army, if you want a first time army build a SM or CSM army, blah, blah, blah. Then I suggest that maybe I want to start an ork army because I have always been fond of orks even from back in the day (10 years ago) when I first learned about warhammer I really like the look of the models back then and even still today and he gives me the same line as he did with the IG army.

As I said before that I was browsing GW and I have really liked alot of the models from even the Eldar and Dark Eldar, even some of the Tau units look really cool to me. But I don't think that building an army over a few models is really worth it. I know that some of you are going to ask me about play style and I honestly can tell you that I don't know when it comes to Warhammer. But I can tell you that when it comes to games that I usually play (World of Warcraft) I am a right in your face kinda guy, I don't like to sit in the background and wait for my oponent to come to me, I come to them and bash their face in.

I don't know what I am really asking for here, it was more of a rant and hopefully maybe someone here has had the same problem and could pass along some advice on how they figured it out. Or if anyone has any advice for an army that would suit my play style that would be awesome too. I'm not looking to dominate the game table I am just looking to have fun and build a good looking army in the process.

You sound like you should play orks.
You can tailor orks to do anything, so when you learn what your playstyle is, you can shift around your list a bit.
And orks are very in your face.

Also Orks offer the most conversion potential.

Melissia wrote:Also Orks offer the most conversion potential.

And most fun conversion potential

If you like eldar go with eldar!

Yea orks sound like a good fit for you, and ebay has tons of them thanks to AOBR.

If your just looking to get krumping asap, try loading up on stormboyz, boyz in trucks, nobs in battle wagons and/or maybe a few on bikes. Or you could always use battlewagons as heavy support and load up to three groups of boyz in them.

Nercons are a slow and ponderous playstyle. Think undead that just won't quit.

Asherian Command wrote:If you like eldar go with eldar!

I only like a few of the models. I like the in your face attitude of the orks, the only thing they are concerned with is destruction. I told my friend that I am not looking to build an army overnight that I realize it will take me a little while to do it.

Well you like both eldar and dark eldar, and orcs. Lets see what could i get if i combined them all into one group.

Asherian Command wrote:Well you like both eldar and dark eldar, and orcs. Lets see what could i get if i combined them all into one group.

But see I also really like the way the IG tanks and armor look, thats what draws me towards them. But I was thinking if I played orcs I can build a leman russ or a walker from the IG force to fit into my ork army if i'm not mistaken.

Are the orks from the AOBR box set or game the same ork models I would get if I bought a box of boyz or are the less detailed?

If you want to start with Orks right away, you can have an Ork army with nothing but two Deff Dreads and two big meks. Give the meks KFFs and the dreads are pretty survivable for the points level as well (4+ cover save, so enemies have to get into melee with them to reliably kill them). Add boyz squads and more vehicles as you get the models.

Blood Angels are very "in your face" with lots of fast, jump-pack units with many close combat / short ranged weapons to quickly engage enemies. Only weakness is their extremely high points cost most models have (Sanguinary Guard, upgraded death company). Plus.. death company are a blast of fun to mess with (Give a big death company sqaud a few thunder hammers, attach a chaplian to it and watch them go nuts).

Orks are pretty much kings of rofl-stomping things in close combat. Big and slow, lots of heavy hitters. True they rely on numbers which in turn.. can cost quite a bit, but there are always ways of getting around some costs here and there. Try wayland games www.waylandgames.co.uk. Orks are quite a bit easier to start up than IG. At least with Orks you don't need to buy 3+ costly tank/valkiyr (yea, can't spell) kits just to get some power on the board.

If you have a friend who collects you could con him into going 1/2's with the starter kit (which you get everything you need for a playable ork/blood angel army)

Hope that helps for you ;p


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Melissia wrote:If you want to start with Orks right away, you can have an Ork army with nothing but two Deff Dreads and two big meks. Add boyz squads and more vehicles as you get the models.

Black reach kit and a box of killa kan's... there ya go ;p

Synister_Intent wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Well you like both eldar and dark eldar, and orcs. Lets see what could i get if i combined them all into one group.

But see I also really like the way the IG tanks and armor look, thats what draws me towards them. But I was thinking if I played orcs I can build a leman russ or a walker from the IG force to fit into my ork army if i'm not mistaken.

Then orcs maybe? I have always debated whenether to buy a Guard army or an Inqusition army.
I never find orcs very well interesting as never really found the orcs well good.
But still if it is orcs you can get what ever vehicle you want and start destroying.

And I was also thinking of blood angels.

Remember, Orks can use IG tanks and armour for their own vehicles, such as battlewagons, looted tanks, etc. Use a leman russ as a battlewagon with killkannon for example, and one could use a hellhound as a looted wagon with boomgun.

Asherian Command: Also, it's Orks, not Orcs. "Orc" refers to the fantasy variant. As far as Warhammer is concerned, they are two distinct and separate (with superficial similarities) species.

Asherian Command wrote:

Synister_Intent wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:Well you like both eldar and dark eldar, and orcs. Lets see what could i get if i combined them all into one group.

But see I also really like the way the IG tanks and armor look, thats what draws me towards them. But I was thinking if I played orcs I can build a leman russ or a walker from the IG force to fit into my ork army if i'm not mistaken.

Then orcs maybe? I have always debated whenether to buy a Guard army or an Inqusition army.
I never find orcs very well interesting as never really found the orcs well good.
But still if it is orcs you can get what ever vehicle you want and start destroying.

And I was also thinking of blood angels.

No offense to the SM players but I kinda want to stay away from them seeing as every one of my friends play a variant of Sm. Tired of seeing there little helmed heads on the battlefield.

Melissia wrote:Remember, Orks can use IG tanks and armour for their own vehicles, such as battlewagons, looted tanks, etc. Use a leman russ as a battlewagon with killkannon for example, and one could use a hellhound as a looted wagon with boomgun.

Asherian Command: Also, it's Orks, not Orcs. "Orc" refers to the fantasy variant. As far as Warhammer is concerned, they are two distinct and separate (with superficial similarities) species.

Fine I will call them Green Skins.

Don't listen to your friend about IG, yes its popular , but as more codecies come out it will become less so. There are hundreds of ways you can build an army, many of them are competetive.

SM armies are THE most popular armies, so if he's suggesting them over IG because of popularity then he's injecting a bit of personal bias into that opinion (or there happens to be a lot of IG in your local area)

Orks sound like a good bet for you. However, I am like you in that I like CC better than ranged in most instaces, but I have found in 40k I can shoot all day long and be happy. With CC armies you have to be creative in how to get them into combat as they tend to take a lot of casualties getting there. So I suggest Horde Orks in particular, because it will cut down on the learning curve as well. Less special rules, moar dakka.

Another thing, and yes you can call me strange if you want to, but when I got the necron force from my friend I didn't really feel like it was my army. I didn't put it together and I didn't paint it. I know it sounds weird but thats just me.

That's fine, some people really want to make their armies their own above and beyond the call that is required.

Maybe you can help me, is there an army other than SM that are good at both CC and ranged?

Indeed. Necrons arn't everyone's cup of tea.

My cup of tea is tau and blood angels ;p

Maybe I should buy the AOBR box set myself and build each army up and play a small battle against my friend to see which one I like.

Synister_Intent wrote:Another thing, and yes you can call me strange if you want to, but when I got the necron force from my friend I didn't really feel like it was my army. I didn't put it together and I didn't paint it. I know it sounds weird but thats just me.

Not weird at all. I am like this and know many like that. If you want fun go orks. They are a comical army at times but can make some great looking forces also. Ignore what your friend says. Choose what you like the look of. Then make an army!

I asked this above but I am guessing noone saw it, are the orks from AOBR the same orks I would buy in the store individually or are they a less detailed version?

Synister_Intent wrote:Maybe you can help me, is there an army other than SM that are good at both CC and ranged?

Hmm... Dark eldar coming next month are pretty good at both, but i would highly recommend NOT going it. It's a "Glass cannon" army and can be quite painful for new comers.

Eldar can do anything well.. so long you bring the right troops to the right battle at hand.

Orks can be good at anything.. so long you focus on one task at hand.

Tau are pretty powerful at range, but suck badly in close combat.

Tyranids can be good at both, but like orks and IG there can be alot of models. Plus you need good conversion skills to make some of the choices.

My recommendations are either Eldar, Orks or Tyranids. Either one of those armies ain't too hard to learn and each have both effective choices for both ranged and close combat.

Synister_Intent wrote:I asked this above but I am guessing noone saw it, are the orks from AOBR the same orks I would buy in the store individually or are they a less detailed version?

You waited less than five minutes for a followup post to your question? The AOBR orks are different from other box sets.

Synister_Intent wrote:I asked this above but I am guessing noone saw it, are the orks from AOBR the same orks I would buy in the store individually or are they a less detailed version?

They are their own special models from the starter kit only, but they do not lack detail. In-fact the starter kits these days are some of the best looking models (fanasty starter is proof). They are also easier to put together as well, which is a nice bonus. The only problem the models in the starter kit have is they arn't very ajustable, your stuck with the pre-set options.

Synister_Intent wrote:Maybe you can help me, is there an army other than SM that are good at both CC and ranged?

Space Wolves have the only other decent codex other than Standard Marines, but you don't have to do Blood Angels, you can do a successor chapter! Flesh Tearers for example.

Orks do offer you a wider range of army lists... I've always considered doing a massive army of ork flyers and bikes. The thing with orks is that anything you can imagine can be almost possible! With Imperial Guard and Marines your not limited but your imagination needs to be curbed to produce a balanced force. Orks are totslly unbalanced (unhinged) which is great fun.

With Dark Eldar coming out now there will probably be loads of DE armies made. Especially if they prove to be dead hard!


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The best thing to do is play more games and play test a few of your friends armies to see what you like... and if your buddy says "no no no" tell him to wind his neck "in in in"

Make and play what you want dude... not what your buddy tells you.

Synister_Intent wrote:Maybe you can help me, is there an army other than SM that are good at both CC and ranged?

Orks.

What? They ARE good at shooting. Just in a different way. IE "toss as many shots as possible at the enemy and force them to roll for saves so that they will inevitably fail some".

Don't laugh, it works.

Lexx wrote:

Synister_Intent wrote:I asked this above but I am guessing noone saw it, are the orks from AOBR the same orks I would buy in the store individually or are they a less detailed version?

You waited less than five minutes for a followup post to your question? The AOBR orks are different from other box sets.

I am sorry, I am actually sitting here wracking my brain on what I want to do. I hate being an indecisive person.


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Well I am browsing ebay and it looks like I can pick up 20 ork boyz for like $20 bucks, not a bad deal if I do say so myself and it will be something to get me started. Pick up 2 packs of those, that will be 40 ork boys, get an hq and the codex and I can start playing some small point games with my friends.

Synister_Intent wrote:

Lexx wrote:

Synister_Intent wrote:I asked this above but I am guessing noone saw it, are the orks from AOBR the same orks I would buy in the store individually or are they a less detailed version?

You waited less than five minutes for a followup post to your question? The AOBR orks are different from other box sets.

I am sorry, I am actually sitting here wracking my brain on what I want to do. I hate being an indecisive person.


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Well I am browsing ebay and it looks like I can pick up 20 ork boyz for like $20 bucks, not a bad deal if I do say so myself and it will be something to get me started. Pick up 2 packs of those, that will be 40 ork boys, get an hq and the codex and I can start playing some small point games with my friends.

No problem. I can sympathize with that indecision. Yeah Ebay can render some great deals for models. I have a small collection of orks from it. More for painting and collecting than anything. Best of luck! I also agree. orks can be good at shooting. Just dont rely on a small number of guns to do the job. Bring lots! Thankfully they can do this cheaply.