Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

More info about the cult
the follower has access to special abilities, he starts without skills but instead he has an aptitude of adept, it can be a familiar or allow other members of the gang to revive the 1 to the cac in a certain radius.

 

The neophytes have access to almost everything available in the box of figurines: shotguns, auto rifles, submachine gun, flamethrower, lance-lance, grenade launcher, chainsaw, energy mass, combat knife as well as the 3 heavy weapons.

On the other hand no pistol bolter, no pickaxe (one can take only for the aberants) and no lance gun. In contrast, neophytes may have laser guns and flamethrower guns.

They have 6+ armor that gives you an extra +1 endurance bonus against gas if you pay them a respirator.

One can pay them an extra arm, to win an extra ACS attack (considered to be done with a knife) or better to allow them to move and shoot with a cumbersome weapon.

 

Otherwise we now know what "perforant" (rending it seems to me in English) for the chain saw: on a 6 on a jet to hurt, the attack inflicts additional damage.

Chairman Aeon wrote:
Honest question: Is it possible to play Blood Bowl without the box set? Bonus question: Will it be possible to play Necromunda without the box set?

You need at least one copy of the box set for NEC, because AFAIK that's the only way to get the core rulebook. Other than that, you don't need to card floor tiles, and you can buy the miniatures separately.

And yes, I know you can find copies of the rules for the original Necromunda online in various places, but if that's what you are interested in you don't need anything from the new Necromunda.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Baxx wrote:
It's not really possible to play either Blood Bowl or Necromunda with the box set rules book.

Doesn't matter how many times you say it, that will never be true, especially in the case of Blood Bowl.

It's not true? Then tell me if we had a game of Blood Bowl and I fielded a team of Nurgle, on what page in the rule book you say it's possible to play with can we find description of "Decay" skill? Horns skill? Foul Appearance skill? Give me those pages numbers, or I'm simply telling the truth. Even the skills that are listed in the rulebook are incorrect.

The same is equally true for Necromunda. Let's say you and me had a game of Necromunda, and I fielded a Heavy Stubber and a Chainsword. On which page in the Underhive rule book would this be described? What if I fielded a fighter with the "Lie Low" skill? Give me those page numbers!

I have compiled a collection of all rules into a single document for both games, believe me when I say I know what I'm talking about.

Best put those goalposts back. It is absolutely possible to buy only the Blood Bowl box and play games without having to buy anything else.

There are rules that aren't available in that box, but that doesn't mean the box is not a playable game on its own.

Sure, check out the following two sentences I wrote:

"Both rule books only cover a very limited version. Well, you can play a simplified version of the games with the box sets, but certainly not anything close to the previous versions of both games."

Remember the previous rules set for Blood Bowl? It all the teams and all the skills in it. Remember the previous rules set for Necromunda? It had all the gangs, the chainsword, the heavy stubber, all the skills, all the other weapons and equipment.

This is not the thread for this line of discussion, take it elsewhere please.

Also, March preview is in:

Time to paint those cultists from DW:OK, it seems.

So GSC don't have Juves then. Nice

Does "White Dwarf Exclusive" actually mean that these rules will only be available in the magazine, or will they show up in some Gang War book down the road? Newcromunda already has a problem with the rules being spread all over the place, this just seems to make that worse.

Very interesting! The leaked page doesn't give a lot of information, so far it's basically just renaming a standard games with minor tweaks. Curious how only Acolytes (Champions) and Aberrants (Juves) give double value when sold to the Guilders. Who would have guessed that? I would think all fighters or if only a selection, I would think Adepts (Leaders) and Acolytes (Champions). It's been about 15 years since I fielded a Genestealer Cult in Necromunda, looking forward to do it again (this time with official rules).

Automatically Appended Next Post:

ecurtz wrote:
Does "White Dwarf Exclusive" actually mean that these rules will only be available in the magazine, or will they show up in some Gang War book down the road? Newcromunda already has a problem with the rules being spread all over the place, this just seems to make that worse.

This is nothing compared to what Blood Bowl went through the previous year. Limited event cards, limited event special characters, weather tables in sold-out product, sold-out dice, pdfs, app and white dwarf articles. GW made a nice collection covering about 95% of all this material into the Almanac compendium after 1 year. They also released all the white dwarf articles for free in some other app. It could be likely to expect something similar in the future, but nothing is certain and I don't think they will confirm or deny anything at this point.

Aberrant are certainly not the equivelant to Juves. Completely lack the Juves fast learning ability and probably not squishy.

The Acolytes (1st and 2nd-generation hybrids) and Aberrants are the ones with the most obvious signs of genestealer ancestry. That's why they're worth more.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
And on last night's Warhammer TV feed, playing Necromunda as a one-off skirmish game - choosing a gang the same way you choose an army for 40k and paying the "points" cost appropriately - was mentioned as a perfectly valid mode of play. That means buying nothing but Necromunda Underhive and playing that is a perfectly acceptable way to do things.

Sure, buying Burning of Prospero and only using it as a self-contained board game is also perfectly valid, although GW know damn well that people who do that are a tiny minority.

Unlike Imperial Knights Renegade, which people only ever bought as a standalone boardgame.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The Acolytes (1st and 2nd-generation hybrids) and Aberrants are the ones with the most obvious signs of genestealer ancestry. That's why they're worth more.

That makes sense, thanks!

Found some additional info over at spikeybits (https://spikeybits.com/2017/12/gw-2018-horus-heresy-necromunda-weekender.html), probably some months old:

regarding the GCults; this version will focus on the mining cults of the ashwastes coming into contact with a genestealer, so will use the Neophyte Hybrids kit as its base. expect to see a larger more detailed cults gang at a later date when they explore hive secondus. but this will help provide an additional two gangs by the beginning of the summer.

Chopstick wrote:
Aberrant are certainly not the equivelant to Juves. Completely lack the Juves fast learning ability and probably not squishy.

Ok, they will however follow all the standard rules for Juves except they can't become Specialists. You even receive Aberrants from Settlement special territories.

I'm guessing we'll see a bunch of new weapons in their "House" List, maybe no updates to Trading post until GW3.

Baxx wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The Acolytes (1st and 2nd-generation hybrids) and Aberrants are the ones with the most obvious signs of genestealer ancestry. That's why they're worth more.

That makes sense, thanks!

Found some additional info over at spikeybits (https://spikeybits.com/2017/12/gw-2018-horus-heresy-necromunda-weekender.html), probably some months old:

regarding the GCults; this version will focus on the mining cults of the ashwastes coming into contact with a genestealer, so will use the Neophyte Hybrids kit as its base. expect to see a larger more detailed cults gang at a later date when they explore hive secondus. but this will help provide an additional two gangs by the beginning of the summer.

Chopstick wrote:
Aberrant are certainly not the equivelant to Juves. Completely lack the Juves fast learning ability and probably not squishy.

Ok, they will however follow all the standard rules for Juves except they can't become Specialists. You even receive Aberrants from Settlement special territories.

I'm guessing we'll see a bunch of new weapons in their "House" List, maybe no updates to Trading post until GW3.

Since when can Juves become Specialists?

Right! I mis-read the text (a bit blurry), they advance like Gangers. So the not about not advancing to become Specialists makes sense

I'm happy with the effort to develop the backgrounds and the alternative gang systems that we had to scratch together from the Outrider book, and online in the past. At least this will give people some additional gangs to play with until the rest of the other releases creep their way into the circulation.

Make sure you keep an eye on the Necromunda website, the legacy gangs, rosters, and quick play sheets are available, Templates are your old plastic templates, ( That you probably have 20 or so like I do.)

Those pets are really interesting, are they coming out any time this year?

Baxx wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The Acolytes (1st and 2nd-generation hybrids) and Aberrants are the ones with the most obvious signs of genestealer ancestry. That's why they're worth more.

That makes sense, thanks!

Found some additional info over at spikeybits (https://spikeybits.com/2017/12/gw-2018-horus-heresy-necromunda-weekender.html), probably some months old:

regarding the GCults; this version will focus on the mining cults of the ashwastes coming into contact with a genestealer, so will use the Neophyte Hybrids kit as its base. expect to see a larger more detailed cults gang at a later date when they explore hive secondus. but this will help provide an additional two gangs by the beginning of the summer.

Chopstick wrote:
Aberrant are certainly not the equivelant to Juves. Completely lack the Juves fast learning ability and probably not squishy.

Ok, they will however follow all the standard rules for Juves except they can't become Specialists. You even receive Aberrants from Settlement special territories.

What are you talking about? It specifically says you get Neophytes from Settlements instead of Juves.

So is there anywhere you can actually get the Aberrants outside of the Overkill boxed set?

Nope.

[EDIT]: My Orlocks and new tiles arrived! YAY!!!

Baxx wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Baxx wrote:
It's not really possible to play either Blood Bowl or Necromunda with the box set rules book.

Doesn't matter how many times you say it, that will never be true, especially in the case of Blood Bowl.

It's not true? Then tell me if we had a game of Blood Bowl and I fielded a team of Nurgle, on what page in the rule book you say it's possible to play with can we find description of "Decay" skill? Horns skill? Foul Appearance skill? Give me those pages numbers, or I'm simply telling the truth. Even the skills that are listed in the rulebook are incorrect.

The same is equally true for Necromunda. Let's say you and me had a game of Necromunda, and I fielded a Heavy Stubber and a Chainsword. On which page in the Underhive rule book would this be described? What if I fielded a fighter with the "Lie Low" skill? Give me those page numbers!

I have compiled a collection of all rules into a single document for both games, believe me when I say I know what I'm talking about.

Agreed a 100%. Those that are saying otherwise are lying to themselves

 Zethnar wrote:
So is there anywhere you can actually get the Aberrants outside of the Overkill boxed set?

House Goliath models can make some nice Abberants... probably, with a little conversion.

 streetsamurai wrote:

Baxx wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

Baxx wrote:
It's not really possible to play either Blood Bowl or Necromunda with the box set rules book.

Doesn't matter how many times you say it, that will never be true, especially in the case of Blood Bowl.

It's not true? Then tell me if we had a game of Blood Bowl and I fielded a team of Nurgle, on what page in the rule book you say it's possible to play with can we find description of "Decay" skill? Horns skill? Foul Appearance skill? Give me those pages numbers, or I'm simply telling the truth. Even the skills that are listed in the rulebook are incorrect.

The same is equally true for Necromunda. Let's say you and me had a game of Necromunda, and I fielded a Heavy Stubber and a Chainsword. On which page in the Underhive rule book would this be described? What if I fielded a fighter with the "Lie Low" skill? Give me those page numbers!

I have compiled a collection of all rules into a single document for both games, believe me when I say I know what I'm talking about.

Agreed a 100%. Those that are saying otherwise are lying to themselves

This argument is ridiculous. Both Blood Bowl and N17 were complete, playable games out of the box.

What they weren't were carbon copies of the previous editions with all the options contained therein. So no, you can't field a nurgle team when playing with just the core box, you can field either a human or an orc team. The core box was not designed to support every legacy miniature out there, it was designed to support the core box and that's it.

Whether you like it or not does not change the fact that the core box of Blood Bowl, and the core box of Necromunda, were both fully playable self contained games. Crying over the fact that you had to buy a couple of extra books is, quite frankly, getting old. I'm not saying I agree with Games Workshop's decision to break the game up into a core box and a bunch of overpriced (and poorly written) expansion books, but that's the reality of the situation, either get over it or stop playing.

To use your own word, your whole argument is ridiculous. Necro "as is" is as playable as a free demo of a video game is playable. Both are clearly not the whole game experience. (Hell, the free demo of most sports games, let you only play single match, with the same two teams.... sounds familiar)

You might naively accept such practices, but ill always decry them.

 streetsamurai wrote:
To use your own word, your whole argument is ridiculous. Necro "as is" is as playable as a free demo of a video game is playable. Both are clearly not the whole game experience. (Hell, the free demo of most sports games, let you only play single match, with the same two teams.... sounds familiar)

You might naively accept such practices, but ill always live in a fantasy world where unrealistic statements are completely rational and not at all absolutely backwards and objectively and factually false..

I've played several games with both Bloodbowl and Necromunda. Didn't have to buy a single item to finish any of those games. Played all the scenarios in the underhive book completely.
How is that, in your make believe world where GW is equivocal to satan, not a complete fething game?

Seriously, please go troll some other forum, or better yet don't. It's sad.

Unsurprisingly, youve missed the point yet again. Ive played numerous games of nhl 2017 with the demo, doesnt mean i played the real game. And where did i say that gw is satan? Theyre only a typical corp and theyll try to push the envelope as much as their customers let them

And the ad hominem, and the changing of my post is cute (even if ot reeked of 2005). Rather sad that i seem to bother you that much.

Anyways aint these kind of things against the rules of the forum, or only those that sometime criticize gw gets suspended for breaking the rules?

Could you please take that discussion elsewhere already?

 BrookM wrote:
Could you please take that discussion elsewhere already?

word.

Indeed.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:

What are you talking about? It specifically says you get Neophytes from Settlements instead of Juves.

Yes, check out my post 2 posts above yours:

Baxx wrote:
Right! I mis-read the text (a bit blurry), they advance like Gangers. So the not about not advancing to become Specialists makes sense