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n0t_u wrote: I'm just not really going as well as I think I did before, so might as well retire to running them and try to make them a more regular thing to beef up the player base.

The vote is either Rusty or ferrett. With ferrett slipping over to a Rusty vote I'm sort of thrown off as i expected him to believe I'd be gunning for his throat and that his best option was to make it a Thor/ferrett face-off. I'm not sure about Rusty as I've had good feelings about him since probably mid-Day 2. I've got to go back and read some of the past days, maybe examine the votes again, and especially read my 'catch' on ferrett again.

I'm probably going to vote ferrett, but since this is mylo (and really, lylo) I owe it to myself and others to double check my preconceptions.

More later.

the_ferrett wrote: The one thing that puts Thorr more in the innocence is that he's been calling for the daemon's head since day one.

You think Thor is more innocent because he's been more vocal about wanting to lynch the scum?

n0t_u wrote:Funny, that vote from Rusty came across as odd to me. Kind of like the same thing Ri was saying War was doing.

Regardless we have one shot left at this, I think. The votes will have to be spot on or they'll win.

I think that's the only time I've hopped onto the lynch wagon.

Thor665 wrote:The vote is either Rusty or ferrett. With ferrett slipping over to a Rusty vote I'm sort of thrown off as i expected him to believe I'd be gunning for his throat and that his best option was to make it a Thor/ferrett face-off. I'm not sure about Rusty as I've had good feelings about him since probably mid-Day 2. I've got to go back and read some of the past days, maybe examine the votes again, and especially read my 'catch' on ferrett again.

ferrett could be thinking that I'm an easier lynch.
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Vote: the_ferrett

I don't see why Thor wouldn't hop onto lynching me if he was scum. Throw in all of the reasons we were going to lynch ferrett yesterday into the mix, and I see only one real choice.

No. I think he's more innocent because he wanted to vote off Drk_O, the only confirmed scum since day 1.

You don't cripple yourself like that if you know you have a commanding presence.

@n0t_u - There are three town left alive in this game, it is almost certain you are one. Town needs to get all the town thinking and voting right in order to win this sucker. I'm pointing this out because I really want more input from you, I think it's important.

Looking back at the interplays;

BishopGore wrote:Current Voting Situation
0 - Fifty
1 - n0t_u (Drk_Oblitr8r)
0 - Drk_Oblitr8r
3 - BrotherStynier (Fifty, Thor665, n0t_u)
2 - RustyKnight (Lord-Loss, WARORK93)
1 - the_ferrett (RustyKnight)
2 - WARORK93 (Mordoskul, BrotherStynier)
0 - Mordoskul
0 - RiTides
0 - Thor665

This is the Brother S lynch.

Fifty (town) Thor (?) and n0t_u (basically confirmed town) did the deed.
Rusty was on ferrett, as he had been pretty much all day. If ferrett was scum would he have left Rusty alive all this time?
Drk_O was off trying to lynch n0t_u - no real help there.

BishopGore wrote:Current Voting Situation
0 - n0t_u
3 - Drk_Oblitr8r (Thor665, RiTides, n0t_u)
1 - RustyKnight (the_ferrett) <--- actually did a last minute shift to Mordo right at the same time RiTides did
0 - the_ferrett
0 - WARORK93
3 - Mordoskul (RustyKnight, WARORK93, Drk_Oblitr8r)
0 - RiTides
0 - Thor665

1 - No lynch (Mordoskul)

This is the Mordo lynch.
Interesting layup here - on the Drk_O wagon we have me starting it, RiTides (proven town) and n0t_u who chose to put the wagon into a tied situation (further clarifying him as town, and helping to kill any nagging fears I had)
The Mordo (town) wagon has Rusty (?) Warork (town) and Drk_O (scum) on it

It's fascinating because I'd forgotten there was two times that ferrett was functionally in control of the lynch and both of those times involved Drk_O as a lynch option. Once he moved to save him and the second time he didn't.

Drk_O's posts are particularly unhelpful - he actually barely ever attacks anyone and sort of just wagons on. He's not leaving many contextual clues to hook into for either Rusty or ferrett as he sort of dings and plays with both of them, but mostly doesn't talk to them at all.


Okay, if Rusty is scum: He did a pretty aggressive bus of his buddy on Day 3 when he could have followed me onto the ferrett wagon first. I feel i did all the work for the Drk_O wagon, but Rusty most assuredly made a choice on Day 3 concerning it, and that choice changed who was lynched first in the ferret/Drk_O combo. Town points for Rusty.
The big negative for that was that Rusty was against the Drk_O wagon just the day before when he was championing Mordo - maybe he was just sold by my arguments but to swing over to Drk O like that was slightly sudden. Did he feel his buddy was busted already and had to bus him?

If ferrett is scum: It certainly explains the slip where he admitted Drk_O was scum and didn't vote for him right away (this can also explain why he went for Drk_O over me later - he had to know a Thortown flip would sink his ship in seconds.
Also has scum points for choosing to protect Drk_O the day before by voting Mordoskull. The big question mark with him to my mind is he didn't try to kill either me or Rusty...but the n0t_u attack (and before that the Fifty kill) tends to showcase a scum team attacking people who hadn't had the strongest opinions while also were not apparently suspected. Very "safe" kill shots from the scum team that ended up backfiring on them, but I'm still surprised if he was scum he didn't take a pot shot at one of us.

@Rusty - Could you explain your shift from Day 2 and the Mordo lynch to Day 3 and choosing Drk_O as the lynch?

@n0t_u - looking at the evidence I am strongly leaning ferrett as scum. Rusty I've had a pretty solid town read of since Day 2, and ferrett is just at the middle of too much gak for my tastes. Do you see anything I'm missing?

Well I did have my doubts for a bit like I mentioned and it does seem likely. Though I have no idea what it is, but I keep getting the feeling that you might be the last scum or perhaps Rusty. But, no evidence with that so I'll just ignore it then.

I've got to go out now, but I'll give it a think and I guess throw my vote out there when I get back.

Give it a good whirl and beat over my cases with a bat.

I'm not voting till I get a response out of Rusty.

Ah good cause it was about to come down to random selection.

I'll wait to see what he has to say then.

No coin flips - bad cat!

Day 2, I just wasn't all that happy with Mordoskull's actions. I saw him as more suspicious than Drk_O. I actually thought about switching over to Drk_O early that day (when I was still voting for thor), but then I got tied for the lynch and decided it would look too scummy to change to what Thor wanted after I was tied for the lead in votes.

Day 3, I was the first to vote for Drk_O; public opinion hadn't quite turned against him when I voted for him. Anyways, Drk_O made some really, really crappy arguments against Thor. He argued that Thor was scum because Thor should've been killed if he were town and that Thor was too certain in believing RiTides.

Something interesting on Drk_O's part, but he mentions on day three that he was "sure" that the_ferrett wasn't scum. Why would he claim ferrett's innocence?

I like Rusty's answer because it isn't working hard to paint him in a good light. Towntell.

RustyKnight wrote:Something interesting on Drk_O's part, but he mentions on day three that he was "sure" that the_ferrett wasn't scum. Why would he claim ferrett's innocence?

At the point he said this the voting situation was;

1 - Drk_Oblitr8r (RustyKnight)
1 - the_ferrett (Thor665)
2 - Thor665 (RiTides, Drk_Oblitr8r)

Not voting (n0t_u, the_ferrett, WARORK93)

If we look at the breakdown of the day it goes like this;
The Day before there was a wagon on Drk_O lead by me. If he's scum he's got to be hating on me at that stage.
Day 3 starts, and we go into me asking for Doc claims.
Drk_O's FIRST post of Day 3 is to try to throw up a smokescreen about how a Doc claim doesn't prove anything. In short - he's throwing mud at the doc already.
I dismiss his "fears" and start pressuring ferrett.
We then get a Doc claim.
Drk_O comes in and flips out on me for "living this long and believing the doc". That's not a case you make partway through the day, I was already well alive earlier when he was trying to cast aspersions on what the doc claim even might mean. Then I'm scum for doing it and he's flipping out and calling ferrett scum - and then we get the ferrett "of course Drk_O is scum - no vote Drk_O" post.

Town read on Rusty stays solid - game is in the bag unless Rusty has *totally* played me and ferrett has also played one of the most horribly "must destroy town" games ever. I don't believe both of those are true.

Vote: the_ferrett

This vote isn't moving. I'm available to help talk anyone through any part of the logic, but this has to be the lynch today.

Looks sound, let's give it a shot then.

Vote: Ferret

Story Post

The four men stand looking closely at each other, sure that from the last few days actions they will be able to find the daemon, hoping he has made mistakes. Thor665 begins to talk and reason, speaking loudly and emphatically, he points to each other person in turn and the other four nod in turn as he explains why each other person might be good or evil. They speak rationally of each of them possibly being evil, not wanting to appear overly apologetic of their actions. Finally they reach consensus, the_ferrett must die. the_ferrett shakes his head, but the spell binding quality of Thor665's tongue has half convinced even him that he is evil.

As the three men step forward and drive their weapons into him, he slumps and falls. Thor665 twists his dagger savagely and the_ferrett cries out in pain at this extra violence visited upon him as he life blood flows.

the_ferrett was a human soldier.

As RustyKnight and n0t_u step back, sibiliant voices speak within their heads.

"No longer are there enough of you to find your freedom and warn your comrades. Not that they would have believed you anyway. We have played this game a thousand times with many lives. If you had escaped, covered in the blood of your comrades, wild eyed and driven half mad you would have been killed upon the beach as traitors. Of course, the ship would have left, going on its way, the fun now is that a second search party will enter our woods soon enough."

As the sound fades you are both caught in paralysis as denizens of another plane coalesce around you, their claws flaying your flesh layer by layer, utter torment as you feel yourselves dying, knowing your soul will join all those you have damned.

Thor665 lets his skin suit fall to the floor. He has earned his right to these souls, which will be his to play with, and possibly share with Drk_Oblitr8r for his help in fooling all these weak mortals.

Fun times are ahead.

Final thoughts

With 2 town left alive Thor665 would have nightkilled one of you (probably n0t_u), abstained from voting on Day 6 and ripped the final townie apart on Night 6. But what an exciting finale!

The game hinged entirely on the_ferrett on Day 3. He had a choice between the two scum, one would certainly die, but the two scum had cleverly built their personas. Thor attacked Drk_O over and over, while Drk_O denied, but said that he was sure Thor was innocent. If Thor had died, Drk_O would likely have fallen too and town would have won.

Thor was rather unhappy when he found out the doctor could self-protect, but I did not feel this was bad, it was only bad that Thor did not know about it, so couldn't work that into his bluff/double bluff scenario on Night 4. However I felt it was balanced as the Doctor could not protect the same person 2 nights running, and he would have been sure to protect himself the night after having revealed.

Below are the four different PMs I sent out:

THE PRIEST: You are a priest of Sigmar. Tucked inside your leather jerkin is a tiny hammer on a chain, but you were placed in the group of soldiers to watch them, not to reveal yourselves. When the captain drew lots he inserted you and gave you a few quiet words. This island was unknown and such small islands tended to have evil influences. You were sent here to be sure that evil did not take root among the men. You have already failed in this, but now you know you must keep the men safe, safe from their own base instincts. May Sigmar watch over you all.

Night power: Usually you can spot evil at one hundred paces, but in these woods everything is evil, and the men around you are tinged with it. You cannot see easily what is the truth, but at night you can call upon Sigmar's strength to step outside of your body and select one man among you. Once selected you can place your hands upon him in your incorporeal form and you will know the truth of his heart.

Revealing yourself to the group will likely get you killed by the evil doers very quickly. Beware being too open, but do not rouse suspicion in others. If the soldiers kill you then you cannot save them, or stop this evil from destroying everyone on the ships, one group at a time...

THE MAGE: You are a mage of the first circle of nature. Your powers were taught to you by an old elven teacher and you can feel the ebb and flow of natural magic. Here there is no natural magic, only evil surrounding you. You were placed within this group of soldiers just in case you were needed. The armour you wear prevents you from casting any spells during the day, and there are few spells you know which are of any use.

Night power: Each night you may reach out with your mind and surround someone with a protective barrier. They will look no different and those who are good may approach them easily, but evil creatures will be repelled and be unable to act for the rest of the night. However the power requires different shapes of people's souls or will fade and no longer work. You may not protect the same person two nights in a row (though you may protect the same person on alternate nights if you wish). You may protect yourself, but not two nights in a row, as with other people.

Revealing yourself to the group will likely get you killed by the evil doers very quickly. Beware being too open, but do not rouse suspicion in others. If the soldiers kill you then you cannot save them, or stop this evil from destroying everyone on the ships, one group at a time...

THE DAEMONIC SPIRIT: You have dwelt on this island since it was raised from the oceans by the sorcerous Slann as a staging post. Originally designed to protect the island, you have been warped by the powers of Chaos. Now you serve no master but your own vices. When people enter your woods you warp space and time and trap them, whereupon a number of you are chosen and inserted into the group. Your mission is to turn them against each other, make them paranoid and kill each other and never reveal yourselves until the final mortal falls prey to your blades.

Night power: You may kill one mortal of your choice. You must decide with your partner, if he lives, and only a unanimous decision of all surviving daemonic spirits will be carried out. During the night you may commune with your partner and once you have decided on a course of action the selected person will PM the result of your decision to the Game Master. You may not commune with your partner during a day phase. This is on the honour system, but if you do so you are lessening the fun you may have in the game.

You wear the mortal skin perfectly, none can know who you are, unless a priest is among them... You must allay suspicions in case he enters your mind and finds you out. You must also beware mages, for they can protect someone you wish to kill. If you try to kill a protected person then you will be cast back and unable to kill that night.

THE SOLDIER: You are a soldier. Each day is a struggle for survival and you have survived a long time thanks to your skill. Now you must battle to stay alive and make it back to the ship. You know that your own life is not important, but you must only waste it to further the cause of your comrades. If none of you make it back to the ship then more men will be sent until your friends are too few to defend the ships, when they will be overwhelmed...

You have no powers, but you are powerful together. Work with your comrades and lynch the evildoers.

Hope everyone had fun!

Note to self: stick with instincts more often.

Good game though.

One thing Rusty NEARLY caught Thor on was him calling the doctor role "a mage", which Rusty questioned, Thor passed off as something he had seen elsewhere and Rusty accepted it, but in truth only the scum and the mage knew the doctor role was a mage...

I thought Rusty was going to catch Thor. He remembered how I played when we were scum. I even told Thor to be careful about Rusty the night before I died that he was connecting the dots between now and last time I was scum. Although, Thor did kill me without looking as scummy as when I killed lotg.

This game I feel I died for the same reason as this guy

Teru Mikami from Death Note (I dropped two or three references from Death Note throughout the game, I'll go collect and point them out later [edit: It was only one. When I asked Thor why he kept checking his watch. "Oh, well maybe it's because.... I'm Kira."])

He was doing fine and actually doing what Light wanted to do as Kira, although a little early.But when Teru and Light got incontact, Light told him to use a fake Death Note more obviously. He wound up getting caught, and they knew it was a fake.

Anyway, night before I died, Thor suggested I try and build a case against him, I thought it was a good idea, and it was, just not for the reason I originally thought. And like I said the day before, anytime I try to build a case against Thor it always backfires on me. Mostly because it's hard to find good reasons to get others to vote for Thor.

WARORK93 wrote:

as for me I still have a few apprehensions about Thor, maybe this was their plan all along, to be at each others throats during the day so we wouldn't expect their scumming debauchery at night?

A wild theory you say? To that I would answer: yes, it is a rather farfetched thing but maybe that's what they're counting on.

I think I was closer to it than most, but nobody listens to the nub

good game I suppose, it did have its fun moments...

Yar, I was frustrated by the doc self protect - though at that time I was unaware doc couldn't protect the same person multiple times in a row. If I was I would have killed n0t_u and had the game in the bag a lot easier because all I would have had to do was outlast the debate of Warork vs. ferrett as a lynch - and there was no way my head was in the noose that day.

I was definitely feeling the pressure this last day, the lies were starting to close in around me and everything I did was starting to look weak (I mean, by the time I'm clearing Rusty for his story not being self-serving/clearing, and than painting this story all about how I'm cleared because of the way Drk_O acted I was nervous as all get out someone would call me on the hypocrisy of the situation.

Drk_O gets solid props as an excellent buddy. I actually think that if I had been the one lynched and not him that he could have won it. We had a very solid distancing setup and I have doubts n0t_u or Rusty would have bought that someone Thor had been pushing that hard for lynch could be Thor's buddy (feel free to mock me if I'm wrong).

@Warork - less the newb ignore and more the..."non-entity ignore"? I think your thoughts were somewhat cast aside just because you'd been sort of a null entitiy so long that you didn't have any town capital to spend to help get me lynched...and you still came closer than I wish you'd had. Remember, part of the game is finding scum (and getting them lynched) the other part is playing in a way that helps other town realize you're town and on their side. You've got the one sort of worked out, you need to polish up the other

Yeah, next time I will definitely post up how the various roles work and what they can and can't do. I realised on Day 4 that Thor had made an assumption, but I felt it would be unfair after the things that had been said in the thread to PM him and set him right.

Yeah, you played that right - RiTides had set up an awesome trap and I blundered right into it. Town deserved the no kill. I do think the game would be more balanced for scum to have a clear understanding of the town power roles - town could have practically boned us night one if Stynier had just claimed in thread, our lack of a roleblocker role really weakened us versus the double town power. The non-consecutive doc sort of helped balance it...but without us knowing it was non-consecutive and self-protective it helped unbalance it somewhat again. I personally think the setup was slightly biased in town's favor - but not as badly as I thought it was when I was first grumping at you about it.

Thor665 wrote:

@Warork - less the newb ignore and more the..."non-entity ignore"? I think your thoughts were somewhat cast aside just because you'd been sort of a null entitiy so long that you didn't have any town capital to spend to help get me lynched...and you still came closer than I wish you'd had. Remember, part of the game is finding scum (and getting them lynched) the other part is playing in a way that helps other town realize you're town and on their side. You've got the one sort of worked out, you need to polish up the other

Like I said many times before, I had trouble coming up with anything that I felt was a concrete argument, I guess that will come with experience, or maybe more effort.

Ah, dam... and I was right that Thor was too lynch-happy . I trusted him when he led us (I believe, I could be mistaken) in killing Drk_O... when after the Mordoskul mis-lynch I was once again convinced that Thor was scum. Curses!

I did enjoy getting two protects in a row although I thought people should probably know I had the ability to self-protect, since they didn't there was no way in hell I was going to volunteer that info!

Also, if you guys were paying attention, in my very first post I was talking about how the detective died. Everyone else thought he was the doctor (since his role was described as priest). Obviously, I knew he was the detective- since I was the doctor . Nearly gave myself away on post 1!

A fun game and I tip my hat to Thor and Drk_O! If Drk_O flipped scum, I was going to be convinced that Thor was an innocent. BishopGore is right that if it had gone down differently, the way they had built up their personas, Drk_O probably would have died later... but as they did it, Thor wasn't even in danger on the last day.

And to think when I joined I thought he was guilty, after reading through the thread a number of times before posting... so hard to know what "gut feeling" is right in this game, and we went with the wrong one.

Still, I had an awesome time and thanks to BishopGore for running it! Not_u, if you do one, I'd definitely like to be a part of it.

RiTides wrote:Ah, dam... and I was right that Thor was too lynch-happy

This is someone who has never seen my town game.

You were right about me, I do think you were right for the wrong reasons though
I am a strong advocate of lynching every day and being aggressive with votes.

I make it to penultimate day by a wrong vote?
Gah!
So Rusty was just that annoyingly stubborn.

Touche, Thor, Tou-che.

<3 ferrett.

Hmmm, and now that I think about it - props to Bishop Gore, this has been one of the most fun mafia games on site for me thus far. You ran it well and, for DakkaDakka, we had a good set of players that didn't lurk out too much. Fun game.

Yes, this was my first survivor game of any kind on a forum, and I thought it was run excellently and got great participation from the players. Cheers, all!

I must say fighting with Rusty and Thorr was fun.
Not to dismiss anyone, but it felt like that swordfight on the wheel in pirates 3.

Which one were you?

Dibs on the drunk dude.

Dibs on the wheel