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DemetriDominov wrote:

Going way back just to pull me back to this thread...

Sorry You're free to go. Just had to point that out While you had some great points, I still don't agree with you. Mainly because I'm a huge Ork fanboy so I won't listen to logic

There's a lot of those in this thread, so I don't hold it against you.

-Loki- wrote:

Casbyness wrote:I have always thought of Orks and Tyranids as the same species.

I think Orks are an advanced strain of Tyranid that came to the galaxy long long ago and settled more agreeably with the native ecosystems.

Not possible. The Tyranids are on their twelfth galaxy now - us. Simple travel time between galaxies means that the Tyranids simply weren't anywhere remotely close to the Milky Way when the Old Ones were kicking about. That's travel time only between those galaxies, not counting the time it took to eat them, and the fact that they'd have been far slower at it on the first half dozen due to not being as large a race.

Casbyness wrote:I think Orks far outnumber Tyranids, plus any other 40k races for that matter.

The 6th edition rulebook disagrees with you.

Casbyness wrote:I think ultimately the Orks would detroy the Tyranids, with bonus points for them winning via infecting them with something that nullifed Tyranid hunger then turning them into beasts or burden/oversized Squigs/allies in general.

Oh yeah? Tyranids could make a spore to take advantage of the Orks fungal nature to turn them into rooted mushrooms.

I can make things up too.

Casbyness wrote:Meanwhile, humanity can just sort itself out with regards to Chaos and then ascend into some higher form of life in the warp itself

Humanity is losing its war with Chaos, and Tyranids and Orks are hardly the only alien races battering against them.

You really need to read some more fluff before trying to win a fluff debate by making things up.

I am sorry if the nice things I said I believe about Orks hurt your feelings. I am not even a fan of Orks, I am working on a 2k Tyranid army right now. I am not sure how to take your post, it sounds aggressive with barbs in a lot of the responses. I will just say that I was explaining things I believe based on 40k fluff I have read over the past 25 years. I don't understand what a "fluff debate" is, I was explaining how I like to view the Orks in light of them representing the comic relief and lighter side of the 40k universe. The Tyranids can never ultimately defeat humanity or Orks, simply because they are the bad guys

I will add though:

- your first point doesn't account for the fact that the Orks could have been an earlier invasion pre-dating the Tyranids

- the 6th edition rulebook is written by young whippersnappers who were too small to pronounce the word "Ork" when I was tabling people in games at the original Hammersmith store. I don't pay much attention to them, anymore than I do the Star Wars prequels or the nu-DC comics. Remember that no matter which direction humanity points a ship, probe or telescope, within or beyond the galaxy, they find evidence of Ork life there

- I know you can make up things too. I don't think your thing makes for a very happy ending though

- I think humanity is doing a good job against Chaos, all it needs is a new Emperor and all these niggling worries of extinction will get sorted out before you can say "but where is the GrimDark?"

- I don't think it's useful to pick a fight with someone who plays armies with Ambulls and Zoats in plus uses Undead as their WFB force rather than "vampire counts" or "tomb kings". I still think of Necromunda as something new and Battlefleet Gothic as an unnecessary remake of the perfectly servicable Space Fleet


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Douglaspocock wrote:If Orks and Tyranids are in every galaxy (Or many, or few). Then, supposedly the Tyranids and Orks have fought before.
If they have fought before, would not the Tyranids already have devoured the Orkish essence and now be able to kill them without thought?
This logical path shows that the Tyranids have been unable to master the Orkish genes.

I agree. The old fluff about Squigs implies that no matter how much Tyranids try to assimilate Ork biomass, when they repurpose it, it still comes out "Okry". Much Tyranid facepalming ensues.

Exactly what you would expect from a more light-hearted species/character/story aspect. Just like when a supreme psychic villain tries to "control the mind" of a lovable comic relief character and then recoils in horror because the cute person "has no mind to control!".

The only way Tyranids can defeat Orks is by beating them at their own game. That means releasing the numnum Chibi 'Nids and the Unyuufexes!