BoK TastyTaste rumours about 40k 6th edition

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**ZebioLizard2**

FallenAfh wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
Redemption wrote:Eldar being Brothers in Arms with Dark Eldar sounds weird to me too.

Eldar and Dark Eldar aren't like High Elves and Dark Elves, so I don't think that one's a problem. While they usually go through an intermediary (the Harlequins), they're pretty much all Eldar supremacists at heart.

I don't see anything in the new necron fluff that would invalidate it. Other then the Tyranid (which they view as a threat that must be exterminated), I could conceivably see them allying with any race as long as it would serve their purposes.

Not to mention due to how independent some of them can be. Not to mention how crazed some of them will be upon awakening their armies.

A Necron lord who feels that the only type of battle is a bloody one, that should be perpetuated everywhere at his behest and call. Wouldn't really be to far out from allying from chaos.

**Redemption**

AlexHolker wrote:
Redemption wrote:Eldar being Brothers in Arms with Dark Eldar sounds weird to me too.

Eldar and Dark Eldar aren't like High Elves and Dark Elves, so I don't think that one's a problem. While they usually go through an intermediary (the Harlequins), they're pretty much all Eldar supremacists at heart.

I would reckon that the Craftworld Eldar would have trouble with the older ways of the Dark Eldar. You know, the same ways that led to the birth of Slaanesh and the fall of their entire race? I would put them as Gruding Allies at best.

**N.I.B.**

DA's Forever wrote:
Also, wow Tyranids get boned. Although it does make sense

Indeed it does. The mere thought of my Tyranids making friends, cause me to throw up in my mouth.

More funsies: http://natfka.blogspot.se/2012/05/overwatch-and-snap-fire-plus-more-6th.html#more

Cheers gentlemen!
I know all of these rumors sound bloody ridiculous but they may not be bad for the game at all. I have been chatting with the source for my documents, we both feel that based off of the csm codex that assaults off of consolidation will be back as well as possibly off the bloody deep strike. This is not only backed up by the fact that they are "nerfing" assault range, but also because of 2 special rules.

Mates say hello to bloody "snap fire" and the return of overwatch.

Snap fire - allows a unit to shoot at an attacking unit at bs 1 prior to being assaulted.

Also mates, since I'm posting I may as well add a snippet or two more to the firestorm...
Rhino's have 3 hull points, Landraiders and the defiler have 4. Any damage chart result other than wrecked or explodes will take 1 hull point away.

HQ's can now challenge each other just like in fantasy. This must be accepted by opponent or is played normal. HQ that wins, wins the assault for his unit.

Chaos units that kill a unit get to roll on a chart for gifts from a chaos lord very similar to the power from pain rule that Phil gave to DE.

Thousand sons are still relentless and still have ap 3 bolters.

Cheers mates,
Grant

**ZebioLizard2**

So tactical squads will finally be useful for something?

**AlexHolker**

Natfka wrote:Mates say hello to bloody "snap fire" and the return of overwatch.

Snap fire - allows a unit to shoot at an attacking unit at bs 1 prior to being assaulted.

I bet the Purifiers wish they got free Incinerators to make their I6 and Cleansing Flame even more obnoxious.

What's that? They do? Well... sucks to be anyone else, I guess.

**ZebioLizard2**

AlexHolker wrote:
Natfka wrote:Mates say hello to bloody "snap fire" and the return of overwatch.

Snap fire - allows a unit to shoot at an attacking unit at bs 1 prior to being assaulted.

I bet the Purifiers wish they got free Incinerators to make their I6 and Cleansing Flame even more obnoxious.

What's that? They do? Well... sucks to be anyone else, I guess.

We've yet to see rules for flamers yet, considering they don't shoot at BS afterall.

Not to mention that 6++ save against psyker abilities means that even if they pass it now, you get a defense.

Of course this is all speculation that it's true.

**Redemption**

I'll reserve judgment until I can see the rule in context (if it even is in the 6th edition ruleset). But yeah, under conditions it does massively benefit weapons that aren't as impacted by a low BS. Orks would have a field day with their large number of shots and templates, while Tyranids with lots of killy but fragile close combat units get boned.

But if it is in, there couple be numbers of restrictions. For example, no heavy weapons, no template weapons, it could be -1BS instead of BS1, etc. Makes a world of difference.

**KplKeegan**

For a Tau Player the 'new fluff' seems like a bad launching point.

I could understand if the Ultramarines were in the shade of getting their asses handed to them by another Tyranid tendril, they'd ally with the Tau for the explicit reason to staunch the invasion. Or Ultramarines witness Daemons 'ignoring' the Tau during a daemonic incursion, and leaning on them for support. Not Heresy miscalculation.

Now, an Inquisitor might get the idea that Tau's presence in the warp is almost non-existant and use that to his advantage (which certain Inquisitor's will do to fight Chaos).

Just not a Heresy add-in. I would still like to kick in Grand Marshall Hellbrect's teeth with my Shas'o because Black Templars are utter tools.

**Lockark**

FallenAfh wrote:
Cerebrium wrote:
'm confused by that diagram.

When would Necrons EVER ally with Chaos?

I don't see anything in the new necron fluff that would invalidate it. Other then the Tyranids (which they view as a threat that must be exterminated), I could conceivably see them allying with any race as long as it would serve their purposes.

In Black Crusade their is a story about a Chaos Lord striking a deal with a Necron Lord to capture a old space hulk for relics of the past. After the Necron Lord took what he wanted the Chaos lord got a huge treasure trove of lost and strange technologies. Was a win-win for both parties involved.

**Kanluwen**

For those who think that this is a "big deal", look at page 198 of the Apocalypse book. That table is fairly similar to what already exists in the form of an Allies Matrix.

**CT GAMER**

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:

'Purge the Xenos' is a pretty universal concept in the IoM

Not if GW retcons the fluff it isn't...

I hope Tau and Ultramarines join forces take over the Imperium just to watch people rage quit...

**culsandar**

AlexHolker wrote:
Natfka wrote:Mates say hello to bloody "snap fire" and the return of overwatch.

Snap fire - allows a unit to shoot at an attacking unit at bs 1 prior to being assaulted.

I bet the Purifiers wish they got free Incinerators to make their I6 and Cleansing Flame even more obnoxious.

What's that? They do? Well... sucks to be anyone else, I guess.

The only game I play that has this type of rule, Flames of War with defensive fire, disallows use of flame throwers because they are unwieldy and there is too great a risk to injure your own platoon. If this rule sticks, I would assume they would at least think of a similar limitation.

I'd be all for snap fire though, even if it is at BS1. That's only on 5s.

**Kanluwen**

CT GAMER wrote:
Je suis2 au hazard wrote:

'Purge the Xenos' is a pretty universal concept in the IoM

Not if GW retcons the fluff it isn't...

I hope Tau and Ultramarines join forces take over the Imperium just to watch people rage quit...

"Purge the Xenos" is the universal concept of the Imperium, as defined by the Inquisition.

The reality of it is that on the ground, the situation is rather fluid.

The Tau and Imperium have fought together before.
The Eldar and Imperium have fought together before. Hell, the Eldar have fought alongside the freaking Dark Eldar before.

But there are no real "permanent standing alliances" to where they start having embassies, and if they do such a thing--I will be sending them a rather not-nice letter in polite tones expressing my displeasure.

**Ascalam**

The Dark Eldar deigned to show up and help their goody-twoshoes brethren at Iyanden (IIRC) against an ork waagh, right after the craftworld damn near got wiped by the Nids.

They did this because they found their 'angst-ridden forays into Necromancy' hilarious

That said, it was the Wraithkind Kabal, and they aren't terribly sane even by DE standards...

**Kanluwen**

Ascalam wrote:The Dark Eldar deigned to show up and help their goody-twoshoes brethren at Iyanden (IIRC) against an ork waagh, right after the craftworld damn near got wiped by the Nids.

They did this because they found their 'angst-ridden forays into Necromancy' hilarious

That said, it was the Wraithkind Kabal, and they aren't terribly sane even by DE standards...

Which goes to help my point, not hurt it.

The Apocalypse appendix I mentioned earlier had three "grades" of trust between individuals. "Trusted Comrades", "Hated Enemies", and a middle grade between the two--where it was not impossible that two such groups might be hitting the same target at the same time or any number of potential scenarios where it becomes a case of "Let's stop fighting each other for a bit to kick this schmuck's head in, then go back to kicking each other's heads in!". It even specifically noted that for the second one, a "reason to have these two fighting together should be provided" and the idea of the "Hated Enemies" allying was to require "a very good reason to have these two armies fighting alongside each other".

**Ascalam**

Did i say i was trying to hurt your point , Kan, or are you just feeling super-sensitive this afternoon?

I was expanding on the fact that DE and CWE can and have allied. If anything i was deliberately supporting your point, with the caveat that the parties involved weren't the sanest of space-elves

I have no problem with most races having temporary alliances, but not trusting the other party an inch. Some races you really can't see it with, but others you could, out of enlightened self interest if nothing else...

**Kanluwen**

Well then. You are welcome in my clubhouse, Ascalam. Ask the hostess for something to drink.

**cygnnus**

GW has been busy changing up quite a bit of fluff lately. I do hope, however, this one's bogus.

I know a lot of folks would disagree, but BattleTech lost me when FASA started trying to advance the timeline (and bringing in the "lost" technology with the Clans). I can easily see losing interest in 40k for the same reasons.

This is a golden age, in a lot of ways, for miniatures with all of the competition in complete sets of high-quality rules and models, brewing. Not to mention the new plastic/resin/CAD "aftermarket" stuff out there.

I can readily see GW trying something radical to try to keep their cash cow on the top of the hill. Only time will tell if something like that would keep them on top or make them officially jump the shark. The pressure's there and the competition is nipping at their proverbial heels.

It doesn't bode particularly well that they have a CEO who has, to all visible evidence, no interest in the game and is running the company as a short-term cash cow. That's one of the most common ways how dominant players get marginalized quickly in the corporate world.

Valete,

JohnS

**BaronIveagh**

Kanluwen wrote:For those who think that this is a "big deal", look at page 198 of the Apocalypse book. That table is fairly similar to what already exists in the form of an Allies Matrix.

No one said it wasn't, Kan. Just that the new chart supported BoK's rumors. They're slaughtering people's sacred cows. Not throwing out 40k altogether.

Ascalam wrote:Did i say i was trying to hurt your point , Kan, or are you just feeling super-sensitive this afternoon?

He's not super sensitive yet. He hasn't started foaming and ranting and calling it 'Brighthammer'.

**Evaelc**

I don't think that the imperium would ever do anything as radical as siding with a Xenos race. I also think that GW would have to really tie up some loose ends with all the problems resulting from a twist like this. Therefore I would have to say, that this is unlikely in the extreme.

However I think that a movement towords allying the ultramarines and tau would be quite interesting, although I can see a lot of people hating on this idea. For me I am open to change and opinions and if this is semi legit then it would be interesting to see this pan out and the reaction to it.

**Kanluwen**

BaronIveagh wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:For those who think that this is a "big deal", look at page 198 of the Apocalypse book. That table is fairly similar to what already exists in the form of an Allies Matrix.

No one said it wasn't, Kan. Just that the new chart supported BoK's rumors. They're slaughtering people's sacred cows. Not throwing out 40k altogether.

But that's the thing.

The new chart doesn't support the rumors. It's something for a "Doubles Weekend". There's nothing saying "This is from the upcoming rules set", nothing pointing to it as being a shift in the background either.

It just reads like an expansion of the current Allies matrix in the Apocalypse book.

**BaronIveagh**

Evaelc wrote:I don't think that the imperium would ever do anything as radical as siding with a Xenos race. I also think that GW would have to really tie up some loose ends with all the problems resulting from a twist like this. Therefore I would have to say, that this is unlikely in the extreme.

However I think that a movement towords allying the ultramarines and tau would be quite interesting, although I can see a lot of people hating on this idea. For me I am open to change and opinions and if this is semi legit then it would be interesting to see this pan out and the reaction to it.

I can think of one scenario that would have them allying right quick. The failure of the astronomicon.

The Inquisition feeds the Ultramarines some blue scented bs to save the Imperium, and, BAM, we're dealing with the Tau to maintain Imperial dominance of space, particularly since newer fluff for Tau starships has more or less done away with the old 'slower than IN when traveling through the warp' line.

Either that or they re-discover Squats. That would be good too.

**ZebioLizard2**

I wouldn't mind the gameplay changes as I actually enjoy 8th edition fantasy, though the fluff gives me pause.

I just don't believe any of it's real.

**BaronIveagh**

Kanluwen wrote:
The new chart doesn't support the rumors. It's something for a "Doubles Weekend". There's nothing saying "This is from the upcoming rules set", nothing pointing to it as being a shift in the background either.

Kan, you do realize that game companies do occasionally test the water without saying 'You will be taking part in a playtest'. Even if it's something as simple as an allies list, this stuff comes from somewhere.

**Veteran Sergeant**

Everything after:

That leaked 6th edition pdf was and is still a complete fabrication.

is a giant pile of BS, lol.

I mean, really?

A return to certain aspects of 2nd Edition 40K would we welcomed, but the fluff isn't going to radically change. There's no reason to. It will creep along just like it always has. Moving forward far enough only to introduce some new battles and campaigns.

**Kanluwen**

BaronIveagh wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
The new chart doesn't support the rumors. It's something for a "Doubles Weekend". There's nothing saying "This is from the upcoming rules set", nothing pointing to it as being a shift in the background either.

Kan, you do realize that game companies do occasionally test the water without saying 'You will be taking part in a playtest'. Even if it's something as simple as an allies list, this stuff comes from somewhere.

I don't know why you think I'm unaware of this.

I'm quite aware of the idea of playtesting and how many companies go out of their way to conceal things before making them official.

And you know where this "Allies Matrix" comes from?
Apocalypse.

Here's the problem. People are taking BoK seriously.

That's a big mistake. It's basically a bloody horoscope in a gossip rag, which occasionally gets something right.

**BaronIveagh**

Kanluwen wrote:It's basically a bloody horoscope in a gossip rag, which occasionally gets something right.

That last part is the problem, Kan. They do, on occasion, get things right.

But frankly, judging by the reactions here, I could bug the offices of GW and have Jervis reading the book aloud into a mic holding that day's paper in his other hand, and people would scream that it's not true.

Further, I responded as if you didn't know that, because your reaction screamed 'denial at flood stage' rather than admit that it was possible.

**Kanluwen**

BaronIveagh wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:It's basically a bloody horoscope in a gossip rag, which occasionally gets something right.

That last part is the problem, Kan. They do, on occasion, get things right.

Okay. The problem is that they're purposefully vague.

Do you now see why I've got an issue believing their "rumors" and "leaks"? They give nothing specific that can be used to validate their rumors. They just give vague statements and then people interpret them as they see fit.

But frankly, judging by the reactions here, I could bug the offices of GW and have Jervis reading the book aloud into a mic holding that day's paper in his other hand, and people would scream that it's not true.

If that were the case, and he were on a webcam with the actual book reading from it while showing the pages afterwards?

Fine. I'd believe it.

As it stands, I can make some rumor statements of my own now since we're doing rumormongering.

Codices will be updated this edition! New kits will be released!

**Pouncey**

Kanluwen wrote:Codices will be updated this edition! New kits will be released!

Oooh, sounds like it's gonna be a fun edition! All sorts of new things to buy and try!

It's neeeeeew and shiiiiiiinyyyyyy... :: zombie-like stare at an imaginary new model, while drooling ::

[Not poking fun at you. I just like that particular rumor because it's 100% plausible.]

**Kanluwen**

Pouncey wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:Codices will be updated this edition! New kits will be released!

Oooh, sounds like it's gonna be a fun edition! All sorts of new things to buy and try!

It's neeeeeew and shiiiiiiinyyyyyy... :: zombie-like stare at an imaginary new model, while drooling ::

[Not poking fun at you. I just like that particular rumor because it's 100% plausible.]

That is the point, Pouncey.

When you look at how the rumors from sites like BoK are, it's almost always set up so that the more vague and likely rumors are from "trusted sources" while the outlandish and unlikely rumors are from "untested sources".

It means that they effectively can insulate themselves from looking untrustworthy by just writing off the unlikely rumors as "trying out a new source".