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Since it's in 40k general discussion as opposed to rumors, can we say this horrific rumor is pretty much dead? By the throne, please don't let this fluff come to pass.

commissarkurn wrote:
The same way I justify hot Tau-on-Tau action...

The requires no justification. Just a pencil, some paper, and the proper power armor modifications....

Harriticus wrote:Since it's in 40k general discussion as opposed to rumors, can we say this horrific rumor is pretty much dead? By the throne, please don't let this fluff come to pass.

No, because it was just moved here a page ago because the discussion has gotten so far off topic. It's quite possibly still very much alive, but the sheer amount of fluff debate and tau/marines/necrons/general hate has made the topic sort of moot.

What they changed in 8E WHFB has made the game more of a grind that 7E. My argument was that I still get MORE fun out of a WHFB game than a 40k game.

And for all those that say well go play WHFB and let me have my super true to fluff, yet incredibly dull 40k, don't worry the 40k bus left a while ago and I never got on. Unless 6E is FUN, I doubt I will be bringing out the old DE and Tau anytime soon.

I get to play one or two nights a month, if they a boring why would I bother? Fluff does not give me joy on my night away from the ball and chain,.

5$ says the "leaked" fake 6ed rules will be better than actual 6ed...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Redemption wrote:Rules changes
•Every unit gets a 6+ save vs. all Psychic Powers.
•Random Charge Lengths are in
•Random Battle field effects are in.

Ah good. Let's add even more dice rolls to the game. That'll speed things up...

This, these rules will never happen because they slow down the game and make bigger games less feasible due to the overall length meaning that GW can't keep making things bigger and bigger.

Well, if they don't make an actual wargame out of 40K, I intend on using my own house ruleset. So the only things that would really bother me would be the horrible twists with the fluff, and only because they would be so many missed occasions. Seriously, 15 years of potential development, and they turn this up? I refuse to believe it.

Kovnik Obama wrote:Well, if they don't make an actual wargame out of 40K, I intend on using my own house ruleset.

Why don't you do this now? No one is stopping you.

Buttons wrote:
This, these rules will never happen because they slow down the game and make bigger games less feasible due to the overall length meaning that GW can't keep making things bigger and bigger.

Remember that GW is no longer running a tournament circuit. It no longer matters to them how big the games are or how long they take. It just matters that they lower points costs to keep ramming more minis into a list.

BaronIveagh wrote:

Buttons wrote:
This, these rules will never happen because they slow down the game and make bigger games less feasible due to the overall length meaning that GW can't keep making things bigger and bigger.

Remember that GW is no longer running a tournament circuit. It no longer matters to them how big the games are or how long they take. It just matters that they lower points costs to keep ramming more minis into a list.

The problem is that the bigger a game is the longer it takes. If anything GW should streamline the game (at least from a business perspective) since it will let them make games bigger while decreasing the time. Eg, if a game can be made 20% faster people will be willing to play the same length meaning that they may increase the scale of their games by 20% meaning GW will sell 20% more miniatures. Of course this is pretty simplified, but still.

Je suis2 au hazard wrote:5$ says the "leaked" fake 6ed rules will be better than actual 6ed...

Why don't I just give you the five bucks now, as WE ALL KNOW THIS IS GOING TO BE TRUE.

Food for thought.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2290501a_40K_Doubles_Pack_June_2012.pdf



Space Marine/Tau alliances are listed as Brothers in Arms.

ohhh, interesting

Buttons wrote:
The problem is that the bigger a game is the longer it takes. If anything GW should streamline the game (at least from a business perspective) since it will let them make games bigger while decreasing the time. Eg, if a game can be made 20% faster people will be willing to play the same length meaning that they may increase the scale of their games by 20% meaning GW will sell 20% more miniatures. Of course this is pretty simplified, but still.

The problem with that is that GW does not care how long the game is played. Making the game faster does not sell more minis, manipulating points costs in the Codex does. Why? Because Casual players tend to set low numbers anyway, or play Apoc. GW no longer runs the tournament scene, so they don't care how long it takes, because the length of play time no longer costs them money. GW's theory, I'm betting is that it will not affect GW unless non-GW tournies start putting smaller point limits on armies, and even then it will take a few years before it has meaningful impact on their profits.

Remember that GW claims to be a minis company, not a game company. So far, the most direct way to get more mini's sales is to lower point costs at the codex. This is their mantra atm.




Edit: and i see that evidence that BoK might not be that far off is starting to come in. There are many who might find that... disturbing.

That is fairly interesting.

Necrons are Only Brother in arms with themselves, so I can deal with that, at least.

BT's unholy alliance with SoB? Wtf?

Also, wow Tyranids get boned. Although it does make sense

Matt Ward will do 6th Ed Codex and Tyranids will ally with the Ultramarines after witnessing their honor and heroism at Macragge.

Necrons being a fractured by noble warrior race that can be mercenaries/allies with the Imperium seemed absurd at one point too. So don't laugh...

Derp already posted

I'm surprised that SoB are grudging allies with the Space Marines.

Kurgash wrote:I'm surprised that SoB are grudging allies with the Space Marines.

After what they Grey Knights did to them, I wouldn't blame the Sisters if they were more than a little suspicious of the other chapters...

Buttons wrote:Why don't you do this now? No one is stopping you.

Didn't say anyone was. I have the central mechanics down, and a DA and Ork force list (Next on the docket is DE and Chaos). I'm just hoping 6th ed will do the job for me, as I still want to play sometimes outside of my circle of buddies. We've been playing house ruled Fantasy, Mordheim and Risk for a while, so it'll be easy to get them to help me balance their armies, but I know how much the average 40k fanboy hates house rules, even more house rule sets.

Basically the same reason why I want to wait until the new Starter set before I expand my DA.

FallenAfh wrote:Food for thought.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2290501a_40K_Doubles_Pack_June_2012.pdf



Space Marine/Tau alliances are listed as Brothers in Arms.

Haha I believe this proves the fluff, note how black templars are a grudging alliance with tau, as it should be with them being xenophobic, I guess this is what it means with chapters conflicting with eachother.


WOA WOA WOA what the hell, why can necrons ally with grey knights??????

edit: meh, actually I withdraw the post, quite confused why templars can ally with eldar. Also, I assume guard can ally with csm and cd for traitor guard lists?

FallenAfh wrote:Food for thought.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2290501a_40K_Doubles_Pack_June_2012.pdf

Wow, whoever came up with that is a complete idiot. Let's review, shall we?

Black Templar: Grudging allies with Eldar (xenos witches) and Grey Knights (human witches); unholy alliance with Sisters of Battle (witch hunters)
Necrons: Kill everyone. Goddamn Newcrons can ally with almost everyone. Among their closes allies are the Chaos Space Marines, the faction the Necrons were trying to wipe from existence.
Space Wolves: Grudging allies with Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle, despite hating both.
Tau: Brothers in Arms with Space Marines, Grudging allies with Imperial Guard. Also, can ally with Daemons.

Your right. These are stupid. Why would grey knights ally with anyone anyway. they could beat two armys themselfs!

Someone needs to make a meme

scumbag grey knights, exterminate everyone who mixes with xenos

mixes with xenos themselves

Necrons: Kill everyone. Goddamn Newcrons can ally with almost everyone. Among their closes allies are the Chaos Space Marines, the faction the Necrons were trying to wipe from existence.

Seeing as the C'tan are no longer as important to the lore, the necrons don't exactly give two about their plans against chaos and the warp. So it makes sense that chaos isn't to off.

Space Wolves: Grudging allies with Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle, despite hating both.

Don't remember any tales where Space wolves would go out and start killing or being shook up by having both there.

Tau: Brothers in Arms with Space Marines, Grudging allies with Imperial Guard. Also, can ally with Daemons.

Allies with the IG could represent the IG regiments (Gue'va forces) Within the tau, as for the daemons..I honestly can not find justification for daemons.

ZebioLizard2 wrote:

Space Wolves: Grudging allies with Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle, despite hating both.

Don't remember any tales where Space wolves would go out and start killing or being shook up by having both there.

The leader of the Space Wolves considers the Grey Knights and Ordo Malleus to be traitors to the Imperial Guard that fought alongside them, only to get screwed once the fighting was over. And IIRC, the Space Wolves have actually waged wars against the Ecclesiarchy any time they tried to visit Fenris.

Tau: Brothers in Arms with Space Marines, Grudging allies with Imperial Guard. Also, can ally with Daemons.

Allies with the IG could represent the IG regiments (Gue'va forces) Within the tau, as for the daemons..I honestly can not find justification for daemons.

You misunderstood my point. Allying with IG is good - either as Gue'va or as one of those not officially sanctioned alliances of convenience with the filthy xenos. Allying with Space Marines should not be better.

unmercifulconker wrote:Someone needs to make a meme

scumbag grey knights, exterminate everyone who mixes with xenos

mixes with xenos themselves

Grey Knights aren't as xenophobic as the other chapters, as they're much more pragmatic. They even use xeno-tech, such as the Psilencers.

AlexHolker wrote:Wow, whoever came up with that is a complete idiot. Let's review, shall we?

Eldar being Brothers in Arms with Dark Eldar sounds weird to me too.

I'm confused by that diagram.

When would Necrons EVER ally with Chaos?

Redemption wrote:Eldar being Brothers in Arms with Dark Eldar sounds weird to me too.

Eldar and Dark Eldar aren't like High Elves and Dark Elves, so I don't think that one's a problem. While they usually go through an intermediary (the Harlequins), they're pretty much all Eldar supremacists at heart.

Cerebrium wrote:
'm confused by that diagram.

When would Necrons EVER ally with Chaos?

I don't see anything in the new necron fluff that would invalidate it. Other then the Tyranids (which they view as a threat that must be exterminated), I could conceivably see them allying with any race as long as it would serve their purposes.