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MandalorynOranj wrote:

adamsouza wrote:GW ALWAYS uses Ultramarines !!

Even if they are painted like Dark Angels on the Box Art, we all know they are secretly Ultramarines in Disguise.

Correction: everything is secretly Alpha Legion in disguise. Even if it's not a Space Marine, it's probably an Alpha Legionnaire.

Unless it's a Word Bearer cultist.

Even then, it MIGHT be an Alpha Legionnaire.

That Fortress of Redemption? Just an Alpha Legionnaire.

MandalorynOranj wrote:That Fortress of Redemption? Just an Alpha Legionnaire.

Fortress of Deception?

Tyranids.

They're all Alpha Legionairres. Too paranoid to ally with anyone.

Feth buying the rulebook, I'm buying one of these!

/sigh.

The Alpha Legion used to be so cool before GW went overboard on the secret squirrel super spy nonsense. I liked them when they were just sneaky jerks who excelled at fomenting rebellions and training cultists.

Uhlan wrote:The idea is to ENTICE someone to post some pictures if they had access, say, to the Chinese factory that produces them. However, my comment is generally meant to be tongue and cheek. I wouldn't want some factory worker making .35 an hour to lose his or her job because of my wants and needs.

Still, the ridiculous conversation sparked in the thread is good for a laugh... or two.

i was under the impression that games workshop cast their models in the UK and the USA

spaceXjam wrote:
i was under the impression that games workshop cast their models in the UK and the USA

Some of their stuff is made in China, like the larger terrain kits and bags and junk. My Gamer's Edition bag, Servo Skull tape measure, and Temple of Skulls all say MADE IN CHINA on them.

Cerebrium wrote:Yeah, as I said, what would be the point of calling them Ravenwing and Deathwing if they're just bikers and terminators.

They'll have some kind of iconography on them, I guarantee it.

In the past GW supplied transfer sheets with the chapter specific icongraphy. What would be cheaper for them, molded chapter icons or a transfer sheet, will probably decide the question for GW.

Now, has anyone bought the new basic paint set with the DA marines? Do they have molded icons? As another poster pointed out earlier, those are probably the marines that will be in the new boxed set come September.

Ancestral Hamster wrote:
Now, has anyone bought the new basic paint set with the DA marines? Do they have molded icons? As another poster pointed out earlier, those are probably the marines that will be in the new boxed set come September.

They have them molded on. However as others point out, the starter painter set for 5th had Ultramarine Icons. Yet the AoBR do not

kenshin620 wrote:

Ancestral Hamster wrote:
Now, has anyone bought the new basic paint set with the DA marines? Do they have molded icons? As another poster pointed out earlier, those are probably the marines that will be in the new boxed set come September.

They have them molded on. However as others point out, the starter painter set for 5th had Ultramarine Icons. Yet the AoBR do not

Ah, okay. Thanks for the answer.

I don't see it as being "cheaper". If you have the models without the icons, then you'll sell more. It becomes a question of cost vs volume.

What made AOBR popular was the fact that all of its models were suitable for just about any Space Marine faction you chose to play (they'd look a little plain in a Space Wolves army I guess). I can't imagine for a second that Games Workshop screws with that formula. Actually, what suprised me is that they didn't even package up an AOBR lite that omitted the rules and such, lol. I guess it tells you how cheap the other bits in that box were if they figured they wouldn't make more money by omitting them and offering a slightly lower price point.

Veteran Sergeant wrote:I don't see it as being "cheaper". If you have the models without the icons, then you'll sell more. It becomes a question of cost vs volume.

What made AOBR popular was the fact that all of its models were suitable for just about any Space Marine faction you chose to play (they'd look a little plain in a Space Wolves army I guess). I can't imagine for a second that Games Workshop screws with that formula. Actually, what suprised me is that they didn't even package up an AOBR lite that omitted the rules and such, lol. I guess it tells you how cheap the other bits in that box were if they figured they wouldn't make more money by omitting them and offering a slightly lower price point.

The funny part, the only leagal Army you could build from AOBR is a Space Wolf List
The Terminator Sarge Becomes Logan
The 4 other Terminators become Wolf Guard [Troops Becouse of Logan]
9x Grey Hunters
Dred
The Cap and the Misille Launcher become Long Fangs

Anpu42 wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:I don't see it as being "cheaper". If you have the models without the icons, then you'll sell more. It becomes a question of cost vs volume.

What made AOBR popular was the fact that all of its models were suitable for just about any Space Marine faction you chose to play (they'd look a little plain in a Space Wolves army I guess). I can't imagine for a second that Games Workshop screws with that formula. Actually, what suprised me is that they didn't even package up an AOBR lite that omitted the rules and such, lol. I guess it tells you how cheap the other bits in that box were if they figured they wouldn't make more money by omitting them and offering a slightly lower price point.

The funny part, the only leagal Army you could build from AOBR is a Space Wolf List
The Terminator Sarge Becomes Logan
The 4 other Terminators become Wolf Guard [Troops Becouse of Logan]
9x Grey Hunters
Dred
The Cap and the Misille Launcher become Long Fangs

Which follows in the fine tradition of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th edition boxed sets not being able to make a legal 40k army for vanilla marines and/or the chapter pictured on the box. I can't comment on the 2nd edition box as it predates my 40k gaming though.

warboss wrote:I can't comment on the 2nd edition box as it predates my 40k gaming though.

IIRC, Marines were short an HQ for a legal army, as were Orks. Basically, a ton of marines, Boyz, Grots, and a paper Dread (standee) and scenery.

Idk if I like the idea of cultists. It gives GW a reason to give CSM the same guys with high points cost or draw backs, with the excuse hey you could always field a boat load of cultists.

warboss wrote:
Which follows in the fine tradition of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th edition boxed sets not being able to make a legal 40k army for vanilla marines and/or the chapter pictured on the box. I can't comment on the 2nd edition box as it predates my 40k gaming though.

2nd edition was the same in that it also did not include a legal army for either side.

It came with:
-2 Marine Tactical Squads (Sgt, Flamer, Missile and 7 grunts)
20 orks (bolter and axe)
40 Gretchin, aka grots (autogun)
1 Cardboard standup of an Ork Dreadnaught. I've got four of these I want to put on the table someday just to mess with my opponent.

In fairness, 5th edition was pretty close to a complete legal army. You only need one more unit, right?

And, if everything here is accurate and in the FoC slots we expect, the chaos army in this will be a legal army.

Lord as HQ, Chosen in elites, 2 cultist squads for troops, dread in either elite or HS.

protonhunter wrote:Idk if I like the idea of cultists. It gives GW a reason to give CSM the same guys with high points cost or draw backs, with the excuse hey you could always field a boat load of cultists.

Yeah. Cause chaos is a top tier army and all.
Chaos has some of the highest point basic troops in the game. As an extremely elite army we would get clobbered by hordes, and any loss of a troop really hurt us since we literally didnt have a cheap unit we could use to tarpit the enemy with. Chaos needed cultists both from a game balance perspective and from a fluff perspective.
just my .o2$

warboss wrote:

Anpu42 wrote:

Veteran Sergeant wrote:I don't see it as being "cheaper". If you have the models without the icons, then you'll sell more. It becomes a question of cost vs volume.

What made AOBR popular was the fact that all of its models were suitable for just about any Space Marine faction you chose to play (they'd look a little plain in a Space Wolves army I guess). I can't imagine for a second that Games Workshop screws with that formula. Actually, what suprised me is that they didn't even package up an AOBR lite that omitted the rules and such, lol. I guess it tells you how cheap the other bits in that box were if they figured they wouldn't make more money by omitting them and offering a slightly lower price point.

The funny part, the only leagal Army you could build from AOBR is a Space Wolf List
The Terminator Sarge Becomes Logan
The 4 other Terminators become Wolf Guard [Troops Becouse of Logan]
9x Grey Hunters
Dred
The Cap and the Misille Launcher become Long Fangs

Which follows in the fine tradition of the 3rd, 4th, and 5th edition boxed sets not being able to make a legal 40k army for vanilla marines and/or the chapter pictured on the box. I can't comment on the 2nd edition box as it predates my 40k gaming though.

It's almost as if they want you to buy more miniatures or something!?1!?111

Brother SRM wrote:

spaceXjam wrote:
i was under the impression that games workshop cast their models in the UK and the USA

Some of their stuff is made in China, like the larger terrain kits and bags and junk. My Gamer's Edition bag, Servo Skull tape measure, and Temple of Skulls all say MADE IN CHINA on them.

Quite allot more than that is.

There is something GW doesn't like their customers to know.

Items packed in UK = made in UK.

Which means, make products in China, finish the packing in UK, still brand them as made in UK

sennacherib wrote:
Chaos has some of the highest point basic troops in the game. As an extremely elite army we would get clobbered by hordes, and any loss of a troop really hurt us since we literally didnt have a cheap unit we could use to tarpit the enemy with. Chaos needed cultists both from a game balance perspective and from a fluff perspective.
just my .o2$

I completely agree! The closest thing CSM have to a speedbump/chaff unit now is lesser daemons, which are too pricey to rely on for that purpose. Space Marines have scouts, CSM need something along similar lines.

LunaHound wrote:Items packed in UK = made in UK.

Which means, make products in China, finish the packing in UK, still brand them as made in UK

Not actually true.

Items packed in UK = items packed in UK. It's not legal to claim that they are made in the UK unless the product undergoes a specific complex final process in the UK that can't be performed in the country that the rest of the manufacturing process was performed in.

spiralingcadaver wrote:IIRC, Marines were short an HQ for a legal army, as were Orks. Basically, a ton of marines, Boyz, Grots, and a paper Dread (standee) and scenery.

HQ's weren't required for Orks or Marines in 2nd edition. Both 2nd ed Starter armies were legal... just small and fairly boring.

But that dread could hide like no other!

Turn him sideways, and hide him behind a lamp-post

Technically he's still legal to field, too

insaniak wrote:

spiralingcadaver wrote:IIRC, Marines were short an HQ for a legal army, as were Orks. Basically, a ton of marines, Boyz, Grots, and a paper Dread (standee) and scenery.

HQ's weren't required for Orks or Marines in 2nd edition. Both 2nd ed Starter armies were legal... just small and fairly boring.

My mistake.
You're absolutely right! I forgot that force org charts (except for IG) started with 3rd ed. Back in 2nd edition you just had to have a certain percentage of troops and you were limited to a certain percentage of characters, allies, etc...

LunaHound wrote:
There is something GW doesn't like their customers to know.

Items packed in UK = made in UK.

Which means, make products in China, finish the packing in UK, still brand them as made in UK

It's the same thing here in Canada with food. Broccoli came from the U.S., but in a bag in Canada and now it is made in Canada.
Ok, I cannot have a Chaos Space Brocoli army but I know I will pay more than 150$ for the starter set.

hellpato wrote:It's the same thing here in Canada with food. Broccoli came from the U.S., but in a bag in Canada and now it is made in Canada.

Also not true.

Canadian Food Inspection Agency wrote:"*A product is "wholly manufactured in a country other than Canada..." when it has not undergone any processing in Canada and its nature remains the same. For example, repackaging and labelling a product does not change the nature of the product.

Examples:

Frozen carrots are imported from Belgium and repackaged in Canada; the packaging operation does not change the nature of the product. Therefore, the label must read: "Product of Belgium"
Olives are imported from Spain and repackaged in Canada in their original brine; they remain a "Product of Spain"

My mistake Insaniak, what I remembered was a long time ago but it was label product of canada when it was pack in canada... must check information before wrting.....

ps sorry for my bad spelling, french canadian trying to write in english

There are all sorts of variations in the specific wording. The common one down here in Oz (and the one GW are now using locally on a lot of their product) is 'Packaged in Australia', for product manufactured (or grown/produced/whatever) in other countries and put in a box here in Oz.