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adamsouza wrote:GW ALWAYS uses Ultramarines !!

Yes. Which is why they were Blood Angels and 2nd Ed and Black Templars in 3rd Ed.

So far only 50% of the starter boxes have been Ultramarine, so let's dial back the Ultrahate.

What about geting into some of the old Ultra-violence?

Anyway, I am very excited to see my Dark Angels as the new posterboys. Can't wait to see the actual boxed set!

And when is the rumored box set rumored to be due out?

sennacherib wrote:And when is the rumored box set rumored to be due out?

September, just like the starter sets for 40k 5th edition and Fantasy 8th edition.

Wow. Happy birthday to me. Looks like i know what i will be getting this year. Thanks Brother.

sennacherib wrote:And when is the rumored box set rumored to be due out?

Congratulation! You are the fivehundredths Dakka member to ask this question

Kroothawk wrote:

sennacherib wrote:And when is the rumored box set rumored to be due out?

Congratulation! You are the fivehundredths Dakka member to ask this question

Tell him what he's won, Kroot!

sennacherib wrote:
Chaos has some of the highest point basic troops in the game. As an extremely elite army we would get clobbered by hordes, and any loss of a troop really hurt us since we literally didnt have a cheap unit we could use to tarpit the enemy with. Chaos needed cultists both from a game balance perspective and from a fluff perspective.
just my .o2$

Agreed.

Kroothawk wrote:

sennacherib wrote:And when is the rumored box set rumored to be due out?

Congratulation! You are the fivehundredths Dakka member to ask this question

What!!!
only the fivehundredths Dakka member to ask this? Thats IT. i QUIT . Dakka must be slipping if i am only that many people have asked this question.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

adamsouza wrote:GW ALWAYS uses Ultramarines !!

Yes. Which is why they were Blood Angels and 2nd Ed and Black Templars in 3rd Ed.

So far only 50% of the starter boxes have been Ultramarine, so let's dial back the Ultrahate.

You forgot:Crimson Fists in 1st edition, that my post was meant as humorous, and that the 2nd and 3rd edition marines were Chapter Free models, and not actually chapter specific at all.

adamsouza wrote:... and that the 2nd and 3rd edition marines were Chapter Free models, and not actually chapter specific at all.

By that reasoning none of the starter sets so far have had Ultramarines in them...

Ultrasmurfs aside, I'm more interested on what the Chaos units will be like. I hope that GW doesn't over do the Eye of Horus motif' on all of them.

I'm getting A starter set for the rulebook and the contents are gravy.

I can see it now, the chaos marines will be the exact same as the normal marines but come with clip-on spikes!

CT GAMER wrote:

sennacherib wrote:
Chaos has some of the highest point basic troops in the game. As an extremely elite army we would get clobbered by hordes, and any loss of a troop really hurt us since we literally didnt have a cheap unit we could use to tarpit the enemy with. Chaos needed cultists both from a game balance perspective and from a fluff perspective.
just my .o2$

Agreed.

Yea...CSM's are 15 points a piece. SHOCK, HORROR!

Commander Cain wrote:I can see it now, the chaos marines will be the exact same as the normal marines but come with clip-on spikes!

Many loyalist players would rejoice in that

Heck, maybe the cultists look more like redemptions with clip on spikes!

I'm going to run away now

kenshin620 wrote:

Commander Cain wrote:I can see it now, the chaos marines will be the exact same as the normal marines but come with clip-on spikes!

Many loyalist players would rejoice in that

Heck, maybe the cultists look more like redemptions with clip on spikes!

I'm going to run away now

I would welcome a less fanatical cultist- simply because it would emphasize the moral ambiguity and easy straying that is supposed to lead to cults arising. Now the leaders should be flamboyant enough to make Slaanesh itself blush, but the rank and file could be very similar to Imperium citizenry as far as I'm concerned.

whitedragon wrote:
Yea...CSM's are 15 points a piece. SHOCK, HORROR!

Plus upgrades, or cult Marines? It's good to have some cheap chaff units to screen your more expensive Marines.

whitedragon wrote:

CT GAMER wrote:

sennacherib wrote:
Chaos has some of the highest point basic troops in the game. As an extremely elite army we would get clobbered by hordes, and any loss of a troop really hurt us since we literally didnt have a cheap unit we could use to tarpit the enemy with. Chaos needed cultists both from a game balance perspective and from a fluff perspective.
just my .o2$

Agreed.

Yea...CSM's are 15 points a piece. SHOCK, HORROR!

Typical, no-frills CSM costs 15 points a piece. He's basically a walking, T4 3+ bolter.

Loyalist SM costs 16 points a piece. As well as having everything the CSM has going for him, they also get ATSKNF, combat squads and Combat tactics. For ONE point more.

Then let's bring it up to a squad level:

10-man tactical squad with sergeant, flamer and missile launcher. Pretty standard, jack-of-all-trades unit, 170 points.

10-man CSM squad with champ, flamer and missile launcher. Again, jack-of-all-trades unit. 180 points.

Doesn't seem like much of a difference? Again, ATSKNF, combat squads and combat tactics is the kicker. That SM squad can split the special weapon and heavy weapon into two squads, so both can be used effectively at the same time. CSM have to basically choose between "Get into range for the flamer" or "stand still and use the ML". Then, if they get into combat, they can voluntarily fall back for another round of shooting. And WHEN they're falling back, they automatically regroup, so there's not even any risk involved.

CSM are WOEFULLY overpriced for their capabilities.

Or you could argue that SM's are underpriced.

But then what does that make Grey Hunters?

Well, considering even C:SM players argue that tactical squads are pretty crap, I'm going to go with my hypothesis

So has this "rumor" thread devolved into a discussion on the price of marines?

Gitzbitah wrote:
I would welcome a less fanatical cultist- simply because it would emphasize the moral ambiguity and easy straying that is supposed to lead to cults arising. Now the leaders should be flamboyant enough to make Slaanesh itself blush, but the rank and file could be very similar to Imperium citizenry as far as I'm concerned.

Unfortunately GW's obsession with GRIMDARK all but ensures that they will be covered in skulls and spikey bits. My own traitor guard are standard Cadians with headswaps (using a variety of fantasy human heads) with no spikey bits to be seen.


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SoloFalcon1138 wrote:So has this "rumor" thread devolved into a discussion on the price of marines?

We are 2 months away from release, we are unlikely to get any more info for at least a month, what did you expect would happen?

2 HQs in the DA, No Reg. Marines in the Chaos, Bikes in a Starter Set!!! Either this is fabrication or GWs smoking something :(

Cerebrium wrote:Well, considering even C:SM players argue that tactical squads are pretty crap, I'm going to go with my hypothesis

In your analysis you left out that CSM have two CC weapons standard while C:SM Tac Marines don't get that option. That certainly makes up for a bit of it. You also left out the leadership options that CSM have, rerollable tests, etc.

djones520 wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:Well, considering even C:SM players argue that tactical squads are pretty crap, I'm going to go with my hypothesis

In your analysis you left out that CSM have two CC weapons standard while C:SM Tac Marines don't get that option. That certainly makes up for a bit of it. You also left out the leadership options that CSM have, rerollable tests, etc.

Yes, the extra attack is nice, but I wouldn't count Icon of Chaos Glory, as I was going barebones, and IoCG is 10 points extra.

Point for point, including their fancy special rules, tactical marines are simply BETTER than CSM.

quilava1 wrote:2 HQs in the DA, No Reg. Marines in the Chaos, Bikes in a Starter Set!!! Either this is fabrication or GWs smoking something :(

or maybe they are trying to do a legitimately good job of introducing new players to the game?

librarian to teach psyker rules.

the other 2 hq's to show the warlord stuff.

deffkopta's are fine but bikes are unfathomable?

chaos is supposed to be getting an update soon.

there hasn't been regular marines on both sides for a while now, why do it? it sends a mixed message by making it look like all the "regular" infantry have a 3+ save...

*insert deity here* forbid that GW actually try to do a good job with this.

twistinthunder wrote:

quilava1 wrote:2 HQs in the DA, No Reg. Marines in the Chaos, Bikes in a Starter Set!!! Either this is fabrication or GWs smoking something :(

or maybe they are trying to do a legitimately good job of introducing new players to the game?

librarian to teach psyker rules.

the other 2 hq's to show the warlord stuff.

deffkopta's are fine but bikes are unfathomable?

chaos is supposed to be getting an update soon.

there hasn't been regular marines on both sides for a while now, why do it? it sends a mixed message by making it look like all the "regular" infantry have a 3+ save...

*insert deity here* forbid that GW actually try to do a good job with this.

As someone pointed out, the set covers every main grouping of models.

Cultists: Light, disposable infantry.
Tactical Marines: Middle-of-the-line generic space marines.
Chosen: Elite, veteran infantry.
Terminators: Heavy 2+ infantry.
Lord: CC, beatstick character.
Librarian: Support character.
Bikes
Dread

I'd be interested in seeing some Imperial Guard in a starter set instead of Space Marines. But Dark Angels deserve this one.

djones520 wrote:

Cerebrium wrote:Well, considering even C:SM players argue that tactical squads are pretty crap, I'm going to go with my hypothesis

In your analysis you left out that CSM have two CC weapons standard while C:SM Tac Marines don't get that option. That certainly makes up for a bit of it. You also left out the leadership options that CSM have, rerollable tests, etc.

+1 Ld is nothing compared to ATSSNF. I would take Ld 4 and ATSSNF over Ld 10.