THE ForgeWorld Horus Heresy News and Rumors Thread!

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**Cyrax**

I'm not sure if this is posted or not, but there you go.

Horus Heresy Book One:Betrayal £70.00
Fellblade Super Heavy Tank £155.00
Typhon Heavy Siege Tank £95.00
Scimitar Pattern Space Marine Legion Jetbike £25.00
Space Marine Legion Decal Sheets £10.00 each

**Master Melta**

The terrain and the jet bikes, too much money.

But my morlocks... they have arrived. I will slice off my left hand and replace it with these!!!

I must begin to save.

**Cyrax**

Also new pictures of Angron.

Spoiler:

**ironicsilence**

well i guess that answers the question around the base

**Janthkin**

Pacific wrote:
The prices FW are asking for some of this stuff is fething hilarious. I work and earn enough money to support a pretty strong liking of wargaming and miniature collection, but it's more the case of not being able to justify the big expenditure for stuff alongside other miniatures I want to collect. The book will no doubt be awesome, but for that money I could get 3 Flames of War rulebooks. For the price of one jetbike I could buy an Infinity starter pack. And £95 for the 'Typhon Seige tank'? After collecting plastic kits of tanks for many years, many of which are far more detailed (and no doubt better made) than the Typhon for a third of the price, it's pretty hard to reconcile the price of that tank. Or by comparison that's 2 armies for Dropzone commander right there.

So can the modern, multiple-system collecting miniature wargamer collect an army of this stuff? Sure. but it means leaving everything else, every other gaming experience in this hobby (which has never been so rich), on the shelf if one is to make comparison with prices. To be honest, other than going mental and buying both options (then suffering scurvy from eating only instant noodles for a month), it's not very hard for me to make this 'either/or' choice. And, I can't imagine that I'm alone in this matter.

I have more money than time these days. Given that it will usually take me a month to find the time to paint 5 models, and I'll probably find a total of 8-12 hours over that same month to play with my toy soldiers, I can see buying something like those Termies. If I'm only going to paint 5 minis, they might as well be the best-looking ones I can get at, right?

(That said, while they are beautiful, I don't collect anything SM, so they are wasted on me.)

**HungryTaz**

I think a pair of rare earth magnets and Angron can be moved from his diorama base to a more game friendly base rather easily.

**OrlandotheTechnicoloured**

The jetbike price is about the same as the recent Studio McVey limited edition one (£30 with pilot)

**carabine**

Valkyrie wrote:
carabine wrote:
Harriticus wrote:
Where are you guys getting the fluff description for Fellblade and so on? Can't find them on the actual links...
Newsletter 316

Also nice Valk you beat me by about 30 seconds. Post up the whole batch though won'tcha?

Done :-)

Nah man I mean the WHOLE batch.

Pacific wrote:They're awesome, but again the prices are crippling. On first look I did think that £33 for the terminators was reasonable, then I realised that they wouldn't have any arms

I think it's important to point out that with only minimal modelling skills it's possible to convert your own pre-heresy stuff, as most of us have been doing for years, for perhaps 1/4 of the cost. I put in spoiler tags so as not to de-rail the thread:

Spoiler:

Yes these guys don't look as good, but they are probably around £2 each, just buying from bits sites and 3rd party bits makers.

The prices FW are asking for some of this stuff is fething hilarious. I work and earn enough money to support a pretty strong liking of wargaming and miniature collection, but it's more the case of not being able to justify the big expenditure for stuff alongside other miniatures I want to collect. The book will no doubt be awesome, but for that money I could get 3 Flames of War rulebooks. For the price of one jetbike I could buy an Infinity starter pack. And £95 for the 'Typhon Seige tank'? After collecting plastic kits of tanks for many years, many of which are far more detailed (and no doubt better made) than the Typhon for a third of the price, it's pretty hard to reconcile the price of that tank. Or by comparison that's 2 armies for Dropzone commander right there.

So can the modern, multiple-system collecting miniature wargamer collect an army of this stuff? Sure. but it means leaving everything else, every other gaming experience in this hobby (which has never been so rich), on the shelf if one is to make comparison with prices. To be honest, other than going mental and buying both options (then suffering scurvy from eating only instant noodles for a month), it's not very hard for me to make this 'either/or' choice. And, I can't imagine that I'm alone in this matter.

Now I agree that you can model up your own pre heresy models with a good bit of skill.

HOWEVER these models are a high bit of skill above what I can do or what I've even seen veteran and advanced modelers do.

These are Forgeworld, they are always a cut above in quality and price compared to GW. About $72-78 compared to GW Terminators which are about $54 here after tax. I'm seeing terminators that are equipped out better, better designed and simply newer more advanced sculpts. I'm a meiser, penny pincher, iron pockets. Hell yeah I'm paying for those cataphracti. the typhon is a bit overpriced I'll agree no real arguements there. The Fellblade is actually not overpriced, Baneblade at $115, Machinator's upgrade kit $65 so thats 180. Modeling wise for the cutting and hacking I'd charge up for a customer to set the kits up right so we're looking at less than a 70$ markup for a model thats about the same price as the original baneblades, far under a titan, and superior in design and detail.

GW and FW are expensive yet, and we enjoy their products and understand that FW will cost more than GW and typically be a better quality product.

I will Agree that you can get nice historical models for a lesser price but I haven't seen a gaming model to date that can compare to FW.

Anything else just look to bubber's comment

bubber wrote:As the girls from Loreal say -
'Because you worth it'

**CURNOW**

lovley !!

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**Mr Morden**

@ Pacific - they are some lovely models - love to buy them off you at double the £2 -

**carabine**

Anyone else notice the small what could be arrows on the cataphracti necks?

**Hulksmash**

I don't care what they cost. I want 10 of those Termies for my Iron Warriors....Magnetic arms are my friends!

**Alpharius**

"Diorama Style Base" for Primarchs = not necessary other than for to justify a much higher price than we had previously anticipated.

The Terminators though... wow!

I'll be spending too much money on them...

And THAT is what Lightning Claws should look like!

**UNCLEBADTOUCH**

What hateful part of my mind thinks I should get a hundred of these to make the justaerin

**Scottywan82**

Damn right! I am doing a pre-heresy army and skipping the new chaos I'm thinking.

**endtransmission**

Scottywan82 wrote:
Damn right! I am doing a pre-heresy army and skipping the new chaos I'm thinking.

I'm sorely tempted to join you in that plan. All these models are far too tempting... especially the terminators and command sets. Is this GW's sales directive? FW for the adults and GW for the kids?

**Taarnak**

Alpharius wrote:
"Diorama Style Base" for Primarchs = not necessary other than for to justify a much higher price than we had previously anticipated.

...

And THAT is what Lightning Claws should look like!

Annoyed that the diorama base comes with Angron. Cape is all kinds of stupid too. Like the rest of him so far. Was planning on getting the books and the Primarchs. Now, not sure about the Primarchs.

Those are what Lightning Claws originally looked like, IIRC. I know they definitely did for 2nd Edition. Those are my preference too.

Don't really like the Jetbikes or the Terminators. PA Marine stuff looks good though.

~Eric

**carabine**

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
What hateful part of my mind thinks I should get a hundred of these to make the justaerin

Everything I've read says that the Justaerin was a squad under Captain Kibre. Granted the size of a squad is fluid especially in the Great Crusade era but it seems from the first few novels that the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus still had moderately sized companies.

Now what you SHOULD do is 10-20 Justaerin, Abaddon and then flank them with Captain Ekaddon's Catulan Reaver squad in FW mk 4 Assault armor all painted black with the eye of horus shoulders.

Bam 3 named highly designed officers and a heckuva display until you can get your hands on a Horus model.

Also considering the new rulebook I'm willing to bet we see rules for Horus Aximand as well, the new FW command squad upgrade pack there you go, do his 5th company command squad led alongside the 1st.

Display wise this is impressive and variable. The standard 100 terminators is kinda overdone and getting trite. If you want an amazing setup, put more effort into fewer miniatures and this setup is MUCH easier on your wallet than trying to do a "classic" 1st company style.

**TechMarine1**

Anybody know if the Salamanders are supposed to make it into a book? I like the idea a Pre-heresy/heresy marines, but want something that I can also used in the current time line.

**Master Melta**

Salamanders will likely be in the next book, which will likely cover Istvaan V. Of course they may have just about of Salamander corpse kits.......

Hey, If this is THE thread, why cant the OP take Kroothawk's template and update the first post with all the new stuff???

clicking and scrolling around randomly is the suck.

**Commander Cain**

Master Melta wrote:

Hey, If this is THE thread, why cant the OP take Kroothawk's template and update the first post with all the new stuff???

clicking and scrolling around randomly is the suck.

Indeed. We need a pretty first post with lots of pics!

**Darth Bob**

I cried a little bit from the Terminators. They are soooooo pretty. And the best part is, they aren't that terribly more expensive than a standard box of Terminators. All my Terminators as these?

I think so.

Oh and Angron looks fantastic. I only hope they're able to do the other Primarchs as well.

**Necroagogo**

Love everything about Angron - diorama, cape and all. Bizarrely, I think the unpainted one looks better than the paintjob in the earlier pic, especially the face.

Might just have to get some of those termies. Lovely.

**d-usa**

It is almost like they released their earlier terminators, actually listened to everything people said, and then made these awesome models instead. They are wonderful.

I am looking forward to seeing some Raven Guard action in the next book.

**Kanluwen**

d-usa wrote:
It is almost like they released their earlier terminators, actually listened to everything people said, and then made these awesome models instead. They are wonderful.

Or it's like they plan on releasing multiple sets of Heresy era Terminators, much like their Armor Marks...

I want to see the Indomitus and Saturnine pattern Terminators next.

**Commander Cain**

Well Indomitus patterns are the plastic termies iirc. Where did you get Saturnine from though? Sounds cool just not sure what model it is!

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Never mind! Used google-fu to find it.

**Hulksmash**

The forgeworld website is killing me. There have to be some issues with the registration system. It simply won't let me register....

**carabine**

d-usa wrote:
It is almost like they released their earlier terminators, actually listened to everything people said, and then made these awesome models instead. They are wonderful.

I am looking forward to seeing some Raven Guard action in the next book.

This. This right here is why I buy more FW than GW. It's why I own multiple contemptors, two titans, and a whole host of pre heresy armour.

I call FW and they replace broken/mismolded/warped item.

I e-mail FW for rules clarification, I get a solid answer.

I send in comments, critiques, and tell them what people want in the central NC area and they LISTEN!

I know FW costs more, I know they do primarily marines but I play marines and it means that the skilled people at FW provide me with models, rules and art that I enjoy regularly. I can only hope that soon GW will begin allowing FW rules and models into regular play considering comments made by the FW staff disparaging people who don't allow FW pieces into normal play.

**Kanluwen**

Commander Cain wrote:
Well Indomitus patterns are the plastic termies iirc. Where did you get Saturnine from though? Sounds cool just not sure what model it is!

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Never mind! Used google-fu to find it.

It's from the email they sent out, actually.

Terminator armour is the finest protective wargear in the arsenal of the Legiones Astartes. Several different Tactical Dreadnought Armour patterns were developed roughly concurrently by different Forge Worlds during the later decades of the Great Crusade, and most of these, such as the Indomitus, Tartaros and Saturnine patterns, were functionally identical.
The Cataphractii Pattern was amongst the first issued, and suits of this type were even more heavily protected than their contemporaries. Slab-like ceramite pauldrons housed additional shield generators, although this formidable protection came at the cost of the wearer’s speed, and the trade between agility and survivability meant that this pattern was beginning to decline among some Legions at the outbreak of the Heresy.

**Commander Cain**

Well they better hurry up and make them! I would love to see even more variants.

Another this that would be cool is some of the old round drop pods, maybe even the limited edition ones GW Aus did a while back.