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I didn't realise how many people wanted to just take away other people's toys...

So many lists of...

No more

formations
Lords of war
Monstrous creatures
Gargantuan monstrous creatures
Tau
Necrons
Eldar
Gladius
Formations
Etc
Etc
Etc

I'd rather see all these things play tested the feth out of and balanced properly, and everything actually working like a well oiled machine then things being taken out of the game. Because you know what's really good fun? Smashing things up in 40k, having a really good game in 40k and seeing all your shiny toys work together in a nicely put together list in 40k

That super formation that's really fluffy Yeah, that's awesome, I don't want my friend to not be able to play that, I don't want it to be an auto win for him though, so maybe GW could tweak it so that it's not so damn cheesy.

That Tau supremacy suit with all that missile gak? Yeah tone it the feth down. Still make it cool as, but not as cheesy.

That awesome looking Wraithnight, and those cool wraith guard? Oh they cost how many point to field? Oh yeah they should cost more lol

But let's not take people toys away, or build massive walls that stop people from playing this game.

I just want a pony.

It's easier to throw something away than it is to try and fix it.

As far as building walls goes, when it comes to Tau players at least that's the whole idea. I have no business playing "their" game anyway, the way they see it.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I just want a pony.

Not a horse?

 Sidstyler wrote:
It's easier to throw something away than it is to try and fix it.

As far as building walls goes, when it comes to Tau players at least that's the whole idea. I have no business playing "their" game anyway, the way they see it.

I will be honest, I really really hate Tau the way they are at the moment, they aren't really fun to play against IMO. But that doesn't mean there aren't loads of players, like yourself that love their collections and the way their armies play. They shouldn't have their part of the hobby thrown out with the bath water so to speak should they.

Basically just because I don't find Tau fun to play against, it doesn't mean a middle ground can't be found. Now middle grounds aren't always the most entertaining of places either, but I'm not the kind of person that likes the stark monochromatic world of putting Riptides in the bin.

I don't actually like the rules right now, either, funnily enough. There's always been kind of an issue with how Tau play on the tabletop, but GW really exacerbated the problem with the 6th and 7th edition codices.

But the rules can be fixed, though.

Would love to see pinning effects through volume of fire. Also have the pinning take effect immediately, roll un pin check at the start of your turn to get up and act normally.

Mostly though, a fix for the trouble units in the Sisters Dex. Repentia, PenEngines, Celestians fixed with a formation would be great. Sisters AoF and Tactical Card set.

I'd just love to see this game figure what it wants to be.

I actually don't think there's much to fix with the core rules as much as the codices need fixing.
1. You can charge from stationary transports
2. Soul Blaze in on a D6 (hurrah for fixing terrible rules)
3. ATSKNF gives a reroll against Fear tests instead of ignoring them
4. Blasts don't have to be centered over a model and can choose a fixed point

Then you do some minor work with the codices (and really, they don't need heavy work outside a few) and voila.

Rerolling on Ld8 at worst seems like a waste of time considering how good it is.

pm713 wrote:
Rerolling on Ld8 at worst seems like a waste of time considering how good it is.

It's either that or getting rid of Fear entirely and giving models with that rule something to compensate.

Outside of that how on board are you with my tweaks?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

pm713 wrote:
Rerolling on Ld8 at worst seems like a waste of time considering how good it is.

It's either that or getting rid of Fear entirely and giving models with that rule something to compensate.

Outside of that how on board are you with my tweaks?

No complaints. You could give them stubborn for fear tests.

That wouldn't really work either though, as most Fear tests are only ever done without modifiers.

You could go "Roll a 3D6, pick the 2 lowest results", and have that cancel out with rules that say "Roll a 3D6, pick the 2 highest".

That or "Take Fear tests as if they were Ld 10".

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
That wouldn't really work either though, as most Fear tests are only ever done without modifiers.

You could go "Roll a 3D6, pick the 2 lowest results", and have that cancel out with rules that say "Roll a 3D6, pick the 2 highest".

That or "Take Fear tests as if they were Ld 10".

So? It wouldn't be the only largely pointless rule. I'm sure Marine players will live.

Or, better yet, remove the Ld stat and make everybody Fearless...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Or, better yet, remove the Ld stat and make everybody Fearless...

I don't need cc getting harder....

What i really want to see in 8th edition?

A bunch of people so loyal to GW line up and camp out the store to buy the 8th edition big rule book and even pre order it for the delux edition that gives you jenk cards and other do hicky dice. I want to see them with their smug faces and their wide grin smiles. Completely content with paying to support GW make their quota. Oblivious to having thekr wallets and bank accounts robbed.

Then when they go home to open the book and boxes, 99% of the book will just be rehased fluff. Then a single page at the end telling them thank you for buying this wonderfully written rule book...
Then accidentally peel the cover off and find out the title is, "Age of the Emperor"

You sound like you need a hug.

GW needs to address the cluster**** that is OP units in7e

D-Weapons, Gargantuan Creatures/super heavy vehicles, and Lords of War just do not belong in any type of competitive system. The entire point of them was to be able to field a big ass model/weapon in Apoc and watch it murder anything around it while everybody laughs and have fun.

Then there are formations...what a lazy way to sell models until the pretense of "combinations."

-Remove Flyers, Flying Monsterous Creatures, Gargantuans and Super-Heavies

-Complete overhaul of Psychic phase - copy paste from Warhammer Fantasy 8th edition would be a good starting point.

-AP now modifies the saving throw, no more all or nothing armour saves.

-Remove D weapon rule

-Remove instant death, make some weapons do multiple wounds instead

-Remove formations

-Simple FOC chart based on percentages

-To hit modifiers replacing cover saves.