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Thebiggesthat wrote: This isn't the place for fluff arguments or 40k timeline chat.
Some of us want to know about the releases, and all this cyclic argument is drowning it out
The fact that some folk evidently don't see that the two things are inextricably linked is part of the problem, frankly.
It's also why the discussion is pointless, Zywus. You're not going to get anywhere around these parts trying to discuss the background material, because some folk just don't care either way, and plenty more are still stuck in that edgelordy mindset where they have to trash 40K fluff so everyone grasps that hey, they might be playing with toy soldiers, but they're not total nerds or anything, yeah?
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What if Dorn did die, but has been resurrected, sigmarine style, with his own legion of long-dead space marine heroes, as the Emperor's literal angels, for the final battle against chaos.
Next release after the 40k Killteam Skirmish boxed game (preorder Aug 27) will be a Chaos Space Marine campaign book (with new formations), new CSM psychic powers and the Kharn plastic model. Based on rumors from the reliable Atia
Kharn's preorder is September 3. The other items are rumored to be available then as well. So their preorder should be either 3rd or 10th of September.
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Well there is also the lost/erased Primarch that could pop up again in a "End times" scenario. Also regarding Imperial not having primarch level heroes. I think Macharius is one of if not the greatest normal human in imperium history?
Waaagh: 2500pts
Death Korps of Kreig 2300pts
Adeptus Mechanicus 2000pts
Sphess marheens 1850pts
Emo eldar: 1250
Skaven 3500pts
Orcs and gobbos 2500
Kharadron 1000
Stormcast 2000
Ariadna 300pts
Morat agression force 170pts
Some stray Dystopian wars and Dropzone commander armies
Nah Man Pichu wrote: Speaking as a fan of the fluff, I think it's great they're advancing the plot. I hear you on arguments that involving the Primarchs would mean sort of a "monster of the week" development, but I feel like that's already where the fluff is. Space Marines can only fight the nefarious Eldar without real plot development for so long.
I think bringing in a new phase in the plot where Primarchs are active again and things are crumbling brings so much more to the table, both in terms of fluff and gaming. I know we're supposed to "play it out" without GW's help, but at the end of the day the eternal teasing of what "may" happen in the fluff is maddening.
TL;DR IF they pull it off right they could have some really interesting developments both for the fluff and for gaming.
On the contrary I don't see any interesting developments in our future. Advancing the plot, bringing back the primarchs and taking the setting into even more of a morning-cartoon style show where everything is about a handful of superhumans battling "monster of the week" would completely ruin 40K for me. Making it an advancing plot centered on the returning primarcs make the world feel small and bereft of any stake.
And that'seven if they pull it off right. But we know they wont.
It would be sad to see the last good bastion of 40K (the fluff) ruined but, at least we have 30K, so long as the FW section can keep relatively untainted by "GW proper", who seems to turn everything they touch into **** lately
Lol you think 40k fluff is only now turning into a Saturday morning cartoon!!!
Hint: the main reason people like 40k is it's always been a Saturday morning cartoon. Literally everything about it is overblown and completely unbelievable and exaggerated. This is what makes 40k great.
So yes I want to see a giant half wolf genetically altered regenerating super human soldier with a two handed axe leading genetetically grown super soldiers Riding giant wolves with a hammer and shield charging at unkillable Egyptian themed robots. Because you know it's a freakin sat morning cartoon game.
It's not why I or many (perhaps most) like 40k. And no, it has not always been a Saturday morning cartoon. At least not to the extent it'll be with a moving narrative focused on a few superheroes battling a few supervillains as opposed to the grimdark, vast and stagnant setting that drew me in many years ago.
Great that you want to have wolf lords of the wolf wolf riding wolves armed with wolf blade of the wolf wolf. It's not what I'm after i 40K and it's not what makes (made) 40K great to me.
Don't lie to urself 40k was always a day morning cartoon.
Seriously giant Jesus Angel primarchs
Space trooper style alien bugs
Egyptian robots
Space dwarfs
Zoats
Space vampires
space werewolves
Overblown guns the size of cars
Giant manga robots
This is like an 8 year old boys wet dream. This stuff is really really bad cartoon fiction and always has been.
Stop kidding yourself like this is a deeply involved historically fan fiction it's never been anywhere but cartoon porn for grown men.
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Nah Man Pichu wrote: Speaking as a fan of the fluff, I think it's great they're advancing the plot. I hear you on arguments that involving the Primarchs would mean sort of a "monster of the week" development, but I feel like that's already where the fluff is. Space Marines can only fight the nefarious Eldar without real plot development for so long.
I think bringing in a new phase in the plot where Primarchs are active again and things are crumbling brings so much more to the table, both in terms of fluff and gaming. I know we're supposed to "play it out" without GW's help, but at the end of the day the eternal teasing of what "may" happen in the fluff is maddening.
TL;DR IF they pull it off right they could have some really interesting developments both for the fluff and for gaming.
On the contrary I don't see any interesting developments in our future. Advancing the plot, bringing back the primarchs and taking the setting into even more of a morning-cartoon style show where everything is about a handful of superhumans battling "monster of the week" would completely ruin 40K for me. Making it an advancing plot centered on the returning primarcs make the world feel small and bereft of any stake.
And that'seven if they pull it off right. But we know they wont.
It would be sad to see the last good bastion of 40K (the fluff) ruined but, at least we have 30K, so long as the FW section can keep relatively untainted by "GW proper", who seems to turn everything they touch into **** lately
Lol you think 40k fluff is only now turning into a Saturday morning cartoon!!!
Hint: the main reason people like 40k is it's always been a Saturday morning cartoon. Literally everything about it is overblown and completely unbelievable and exaggerated. This is what makes 40k great.
So yes I want to see a giant half wolf genetically altered regenerating super human soldier with a two handed axe leading genetetically grown super soldiers Riding giant wolves with a hammer and shield charging at unkillable Egyptian themed robots. Because you know it's a freakin sat morning cartoon game.
It's not why I or many (perhaps most) like 40k. And no, it has not always been a Saturday morning cartoon. At least not to the extent it'll be with a moving narrative focused on a few superheroes battling a few supervillains as opposed to the grimdark, vast and stagnant setting that drew me in many years ago.
Great that you want to have wolf lords of the wolf wolf riding wolves armed with wolf blade of the wolf wolf. It's not what I'm after i 40K and it's not what makes (made) 40K great to me.
Don't lie to urself 40k was always a day morning cartoon.
Seriously giant Jesus Angel primarchs
Space trooper style alien bugs
Egyptian robots
Space dwarfs
Zoats
Space vampires
space werewolves
Overblown guns the size of cars
Giant manga robots
This is like an 8 year old boys wet dream. This stuff is really really bad cartoon fiction and always has been.
Stop kidding yourself like this is a deeply involved historically fan fiction it's never been anywhere but cartoon porn for grown men.
There were no primarchs in the current setting. They used to be figures of legend from the distant past.
The Egyptian robots used to be mindless servants of Lovecraftian elder gods. Not robot Egyptians.
The space vampires used to be a dying chapter afflicted with a terrible curse that would inevitably destroy them. Now Your Army Sucks *guitar solo*.
Space werewolves used to be space vikings. Now wolfy wolf wolf wolf aroooo!
Also Kaldor fething Draigo.
It's been getting harder and harder to hand wave away the damage being done in recent years to a setting I used to like. gak's been circling the drain for some time now, it's true. That flushing noise you hear is Teh Space Emporer awakening from his Golden Throne.
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Warhams-77 wrote: Next release after the 40k Killteam Skirmish boxed game (preorder Aug 27) will be a Chaos Space Marine campaign book (with new formations), new CSM psychic powers and the Kharn plastic model. Based on rumors from the reliable Atia
I will laugh so hard when the all the formations do is grant Hatred vs various FOC slots.
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Nvs wrote: So is it an all new campaign book? Or is it the second half of the fenris book which will be more CSM focused?
Unknown, Nvs, but everything that was leaked about it sounded like it will not be the continuation of Warzone Fenris. Especially because of Sad Panda's remark that 40k Thousand Sons will be later than sooner and 40k Magnus will be released after the 30k Ahriman who is part of the next HH board game. This campaign book will be about a new Warzone I guess. Anyone knows what happened at the end of Death Masque? Any hints?
Nvs wrote: So is it an all new campaign book? Or is it the second half of the fenris book which will be more CSM focused?
Unknown, Nvs, but everything that was leaked about it sounded like it will not be the continuation of Warzone Fenris. Especially because of Sad Panda's remark that 40k Thousand Sons will be later than sooner and 40k Magnus will be released after the 30k Ahriman who is part of the next HH board game. This campaign book will be about a new Warzone I guess. Anyone knows what happened at the end of Death Masque? Any hints?
Death Masque ending
Spoiler:
Kill Team Artemis kills all the Harlequins, Eldrads plan is ruined, the Eldar God is not birthed, but a small shard of it survives and is thrown off into who-knows-where
timd wrote: Yeah, I'm late to the party, but perhaps his dominant hand changed because he became more sinister?
T
Spoiler:
Azreal13 wrote: How come his dominant hand has changed since the Heresy?
I see what you did there... As a member of the minority in this dextrocentric world, I can only say bravo sir!
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timd wrote: Yeah, I'm late to the party, but perhaps his dominant hand changed because he became more sinister?
T
Azreal13 wrote: How come his dominant hand has changed since the Heresy?
It is a difference of what, 10 thousand years? The dude probably wanted to switch it up.
Also, why stress over such a little thing...
Who got stressed?
If there's anything to be stressed about its the increasingly lacking humour on the part of many of Dakka's current user base.
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Khârn wants to be able to shake your hand with his dominant hand and a pistol is easier to holster than his axe. What a great guy, that Khârn, always thinking of others first.
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People often remark "yeah, he might be psychotic, and guilty of genocide without number, but he will always look you in the eye and shake your hand before he fillets you and eats your spleen."
I believe that's canon.
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casvalremdeikun wrote: Khârn wants to be able to shake your hand with his dominant hand and a pistol is easier to holster than his axe. What a great guy, that Khârn, always thinking of others first.
Well, Khorne does promote good manners . Plus Khorne cares not from which hand the axe holds.
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but, at least we have 30K, so long as the 
5250 pts
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2000 Khorne Bloodbound (Skullfiend Tribe- Aqshy)
1000 Tzeentch Arcanites (Pyrofane Cult - Hysh) in progress
2000 Slaves to Darkness (Ravagers)
Plus Khorne cares not from which hand the axe holds.
