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GoatboyBeta wrote:
I wonder how badly the heroes will be struck with the movie marines effect for game balance. Going by the source material Luke and especially Vader should be able to take on the other sides grunts all by themselves.

Both Luke and even moreso Vader seem more than capable of mowing down entire units. Of course, given that without options they cost respectively 160 and 200 points, they better be :p

Based on source material, any decent Jedi with a lightsaber can tank a fairly absurd number of blaster shots. When do we ever see one fail to deflect them? The only time I can think of is during the Order 66 surprise attack.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Based on source material, any decent Jedi with a lightsaber can tank a fairly absurd number of blaster shots. When do we ever see one fail to deflect them? The only time I can think of is during the Order 66 surprise attack.

I suppose then that it's a good thing that the remaining jedi by and large in the same source material are not decent but rather failed jedi, those with marginal force abilities, or others that never completed their training... all of which likely are rusty by the GCW era from not publicly using their powers frequently out of fear of being found out.

 Albertorius wrote:

Aeneades wrote:
I know that Rebellion and Imperial Assault are still being sold and that further expansions are on the way but Fantasy Flight are not able to sell them direct, only through Hasbro which is why the "Not Available" is listed against (and always has been listed against) every Rebellion and Imperial Assault item on the Fantasy Flight website (which is also an online store) where as every other item they currently produce is listed as available.

That would be the case worldwide, would it not? Because the Fantasy Flight Spain's site allows you to buy both direct. I just checked.

http://www.fantasyflightgames.es/juegos/coleccion/star_wars_imperial_assault
http://www.fantasyflightgames.es/juegos/coleccion/star_wars_rebellion

"Añadir a la Cesta" means "Add to cart", btw.

I don't think so. Rights and distribution tend to be on a national basis, as the laws surrounding those are quite different between countries.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Based on source material, any decent Jedi with a lightsaber can tank a fairly absurd number of blaster shots. When do we ever see one fail to deflect them? The only time I can think of is during the Order 66 surprise attack.

Episode 2 attack on Geonosis, several get shot in the arena.

I'm seeing this as, like X-Wing, a gateway miniature game towards classic gaming.

From the start this time I will be making copies of all upgrade cards and printing my own, or using online army builders.

Legion Stormtrooper next to an Imperial Assault Stormtrooper -



I really prefer the proportions of the older models and the height of the Legion base looks ridiculous.

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Based on source material, any decent Jedi with a lightsaber can tank a fairly absurd number of blaster shots. When do we ever see one fail to deflect them? The only time I can think of is during the Order 66 surprise attack.

and luke takes one to the hand on jabbas funtime barge, but your point still stands pretty well.

Aeneades wrote:
Legion Stormtrooper next to an Imperial Assault Stormtrooper -

Spoiler:

I really prefer the proportions of the older models and the height of the Legion base looks ridiculous.

Thanks for the pic dude, unless there's some serious pvc shrinkage with the production minis I'm out

size of minis are not going to matter for me, I have about 1,000+ wotc minis for this I am itching to use

1 hour video by Team Covenant:




Some stuff I found note worthy:

Your army is built with the following restrictions in mind,
> 1 - 2 Commanders (You are still limited to a hand of 7 command cards though, and can still only play 1 per turn. This just gives you flexibility. Leia was mentioned as a commander option.)
> 3 - 6 Corps (This includes basic Stormtroopers and Rebel Troopers, core set comes with 2 of each)
> Up to 3 Special Forces (None in the command box, though Imperial Scout Troopers were mentioned as being in this role)
> Up to 3 Support (The AT-RT and Speeder Bikes in the Core Set fill this role)
> Up to 2 Heavy Units (Snowspeeders and AT-STs were mentioned)

Missions are also card based. The person with the least points chooses which player they are at the start of the game - blue or red. Their opponent is the colour that isn't chosen. The blue players then draws 3 deployment, objective and condition cards and discards 1 of each (their choice as to which). The red player then picks one of each card type from the remaining 6 to discard, leaving 1 of each. These form your mission.

There's another action - refresh. This is used to ready exhausted upgrades (like some force powers).

If you unit leader is in base contact with terrain, you ignore and cover it gives when shooting with that unit.

'Impact X' turns X number of hits into crits when targeting vehicles.

Barricades give 'heavy cover' (cancels 2 hits automatically) while trees are 'light cover' (only cancels 1 hit).

 thekingofkings wrote:
size of minis are not going to matter for me, I have about 1,000+ wotc minis for this I am itching to use

Don't forget that FFG minis will likely come with a bunch of cards, counters, possibly even dice, etc that you'll need to actually use the unit. Be prepared for a bunch of crafting, printing and gluing if you're going to use those WOTC models, assuming that's even possible (i.e. There's good digital images to print somewhere.)

FYI, I just got back from GenCon. I watched a few demos of this at the cool tables. Overall, the minis were pretty good. Looks like they will be similar to the new 40K quick build stuff. There may be some customization, but not a lot in the first sets.

Looks like squads top out at 5 units. Upgrades are by cards (as usual.) 6 different dice. Attack dice are d8, defense are d6. Movement is by single jointed range rulers of different lengths. Interesting overall, and pretty clearly designed to compete with 40K.

As a huge Star Wars fan, I may well get into it, but we will have to see how it goes.

Thanks,
Duncan

Aeneades wrote:
I know that Rebellion and Imperial Assault are still being sold and that further expansions are on the way but Fantasy Flight are not able to sell them direct, only through Hasbro which is why the "Not Available" is listed against (and always has been listed against) every Rebellion and Imperial Assault item on the Fantasy Flight website (which is also an online store) where as every other item they currently produce is listed as available.

This isn't accurate, at least anymore. I own a board game store, and I can assure you that both imperial Assault and Rebellion are sold through Asmodee North America (the company that owns FFG) in the United States. And both have the same profit margin as all other ANA/FFG products. Though, to be fair, Imperial Assault did have a worse margin when it first released due to some sort of licensing drama. Whatever it was, though, it got sorted out and both the margin and distribution have conformed to FFG's standard setup ever since.

 vadersson wrote:
FYI, I just got back from GenCon. I watched a few demos of this at the cool tables. Overall, the minis were pretty good. Looks like they will be similar to the new 40K quick build stuff. There may be some customization, but not a lot in the first sets.

Looks like squads top out at 5 units. Upgrades are by cards (as usual.) 6 different dice. Attack dice are d8, defense are d6. Movement is by single jointed range rulers of different lengths. Interesting overall, and pretty clearly designed to compete with 40K.

As a huge Star Wars fan, I may well get into it, but we will have to see how it goes.

Thanks,
Duncan

I got to actually demo it Saturday, and I cant see how it will even compete with 40k. Its a carbon copy of all their other games. Z wing, armada, rune wars. Special dice, upgrade cards, stat cards, goofy measuring. Nothing in this game is close to original from anything else they have done. and yes, SW is popular, but for a war game like this. 2 factions is just going to get old.

SW is slowly rising to the Cuthulu/Zombie problem that the market will be over saturated from it soon enough. For me, its already there. This is like I said, "Aother FFG game with special dice"

 Arbitrator wrote:

I mean to be honest, Games Workshop could put anthrax in every newly made box of models and about 50% of this board would defend it.

Funny, it seems to me that they could put sweet, sweet candy in each box and it seems that 50% of this board would piss all over it. While staying desperately attached to the conversation and following each release with the obsessive interest levels of a stalker.

People wishing that this was CW instead of GCW for the sake of a few non-canon vehicles are, well, more invested in their own personal logic and desires when the reality is that the OT (plus R1 and anything else sprinkled into that timeline) will sell SO much better than prequel-based products.

Well, the thing is it doesn't have to directly compete with 40k.

Star Wars, by being Star Wars, will sell to people who have never heard of or been interested in table top wargames, but do like Star Wars games. You're not necessarily after the same market.

It's like how many, if not most, of the people who play Xwing and Armada have never ever played any other wargame. I would say at least 2/3 of my Xwing group never played any other wargame before they picked it up.

Besides, a lot of 40k people will probably pick it up because they're also Star Wars fans and it's a Star Wars table top wargame that is similar to what they're familiar with. It doesn't have to be original, it's Star Wars. Star Wars is the definition of repetitive overused stereotypes and unoriginal plots. It's still much loved anyway.

Most definitely interested, as Star Wars is my favourite universe, with Warhammer 40k coming in a close second.

I like the models, but I want to know what material they are in. Will they be hard plastic, like GW, or the annoying and easy-bending plastic they use for Imperial Assault? Not sure if this has been said anywhere, but if it has I've missed it.

Special dice is always annoying, don't like that. Otherwise it sounds pretty good, just from the description. Will need to see some demos before making a verdict though.

 JoeRugby wrote:

Aeneades wrote:
Legion Stormtrooper next to an Imperial Assault Stormtrooper -

Spoiler:

I really prefer the proportions of the older models and the height of the Legion base looks ridiculous.

Thanks for the pic dude, unless there's some serious pvc shrinkage with the production minis I'm out

Pretty much the same for me, I had high hopes of integrating IA minis!!!


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 alleus wrote:
Special dice is always annoying, don't like that. Otherwise it sounds pretty good, just from the description. Will need to see some demos before making a verdict though.

Again, same here, I also dislike the amount of tabletop clutter (marker, Cards, markers again etc) that FFG normally put is a game...

 vadersson wrote:
FYI, I just got back from GenCon. I watched a few demos of this at the cool tables. Overall, the minis were pretty good. Looks like they will be similar to the new 40K quick build stuff. There may be some customization, but not a lot in the first sets.

Looks like squads top out at 5 units. Upgrades are by cards (as usual.) 6 different dice. Attack dice are d8, defense are d6. Movement is by single jointed range rulers of different lengths. Interesting overall, and pretty clearly designed to compete with 40K.

As a huge Star Wars fan, I may well get into it, but we will have to see how it goes.

Thanks,
Duncan

IIRC, the units from the core top out at 6 minis (they start with 4 and allow you to buy an additional regular trooper and a heavy weapon trooper).

 alleus wrote:
Most definitely interested, as Star Wars is my favourite universe, with Warhammer 40k coming in a close second.

I like the models, but I want to know what material they are in. Will they be hard plastic, like GW, or the annoying and easy-bending plastic they use for Imperial Assault? Not sure if this has been said anywhere, but if it has I've missed it.

Special dice is always annoying, don't like that. Otherwise it sounds pretty good, just from the description. Will need to see some demos before making a verdict though.

Its their usual stuff, not hard plastic like GW. Was told from guy who gave me demo

I have Imperial Assault...the material is fine for this.

I think the confusion on the models is that the Luke from painting video appears to be a harder material (resin maybe) but it has since been confirmed that it's a test model as they haven't started production yet so likely to be a different material than retail models.

Wayland Games has it for preorder (£71.99 down from £89.99)

http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/star-wars/46097-star-wars-legion-core-set

but it's 220 days away so not sure if this is an official or best guess price

str00dles1 wrote:

 vadersson wrote:
FYI, I just got back from GenCon. I watched a few demos of this at the cool tables. Overall, the minis were pretty good. Looks like they will be similar to the new 40K quick build stuff. There may be some customization, but not a lot in the first sets.

Looks like squads top out at 5 units. Upgrades are by cards (as usual.) 6 different dice. Attack dice are d8, defense are d6. Movement is by single jointed range rulers of different lengths. Interesting overall, and pretty clearly designed to compete with 40K.

As a huge Star Wars fan, I may well get into it, but we will have to see how it goes.

Thanks,
Duncan

SW is slowly rising to the Cuthulu/Zombie problem that the market will be over saturated from it soon enough. For me, its already there. This is like I said, "Aother FFG game with special dice"

Star Wars has kind of been there off and on over the years.

I'm not sure a skirmish game is the best use of the IP. The best thing they have going for it right now is that Star Wars is a money making household name.

I have a friend that is pretty hyped over this and building a Rebel Force, will probably spilt the starter with him so he'll have someone to play. Beyond that I'm gonna wait patiently to see what else comes down the pipe.

First Order will get me, as will Mandos of any kind hoping for Imperial Super Commandos.

Also some kind of Krennic and Death Troopers vs Rogue One, Battle of Scarif set would be cool.

Disney is definitely testing the limits of franchise fatigue right now. I love Star Wars, but how long until our eyes start to glaze over every time we see a guy in a robe with a lightsaber?

 EnTyme wrote:
Disney is definitely testing the limits of franchise fatigue right now. I love Star Wars, but how long until our eyes start to glaze over every time we see a guy in a robe with a lightsaber?

Saber jockeys have pretty much always glazed my eyes over. As a kid it was all about the Storm Troopers for me.

 EnTyme wrote:
Disney is definitely testing the limits of franchise fatigue right now. I love Star Wars, but how long until our eyes start to glaze over every time we see a guy in a robe with a lightsaber?

Prequel trilogy?

The demo guy at Gencon was pretty confident the plastic of the minis was like that of Runewars. Which is soft, but not Descent soft.