Forgeworld 2019 News & Rumours-BA Dawnbreakers Pg 163

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**Mymearan**

That Valdor model is spectacular! Might have to pick it up just for painting and display...

**ImAGeek**

Mymearan wrote:
That Valdor model is spectacular! Might have to pick it up just for painting and display...

He’s really grown on me. Gonna pick him up I think, just swap the head.

**sockwithaticket**

If there were a way to dump all the xcrap on his shoulders you could make him decent. His blade looks curiously Eldar-esque.

**endlesswaltz123**

What’s with the lion pelt? Isn’t that something sang should have? I wonder if this is a resculpted sang as they were not happy with the sculpt for sang

**Irbis**

Dysartes wrote:
SeanDrake wrote:
John fething Blanche a blight on 40k and now on 30k.

Without John Blanche to visualise concepts, you don't have a 40k, a 30k, a Mordheim, etc...

Yeah, because GW totally didn't have dozens of far better artists, some before him, even

I love custodes. I love sisters. Yet when I look at Valdor and Veridyan the only thing I feel is

Elbows wrote:
Well, I'll say Valdor looks as bad...as I think Dorn looks good (which is to say all of the crazy/overstyle garbage I was happy to see absent on Dorn was obviously shifted - with a shovel - onto Valdor).

Terrible.

But, only wargear on the model matters and there's nothing stopping anyone from running another model as Valdor. The captain does have a rather amusingly sized cranium.

Yeah, besides terrible look, that's what ruined last two FW models for me. They look nothing like their excellent FW art, Dorn has garbage, generic armour with less details and embellishments than his captains, Valdor had the contents of the whole Imperial menagerie dumped on him, it seems. If Valdor was as unassuming and not overblinged to the point of looking clownish like Dorn is, and Dorn took some of Valdor's kitchen sink on, both would look actually true to their art and would be infinitely superior models. Alas. Valoris easily beats both of them combined.

Also, did FW finally fire the painted who was ruining the look of their whole Custodes range (and Dorn, too) by making their gold armour look like cheap brass that spent too much time in a sewer? Valdor actually looks gold!

What is this heresy?

**AndrewGPaul**

Better artists? Well, I suppose that depends on what criteria you use to do your art criticism, but fair enough. None of them were GW's art director, though; no matter what you think of his skill, GW's settings have been defined by him.

John's been posting some images of early art from other GW artists from the 80s on his Facebook page; some of the comments from John and the artists themselves are quite interesting.

**kombatwombat**

@Irbis, I’m spending this weekend mimicking the ForgeWorld dusky gold colour on my own Custodes.

I mean you’re entitled to your opinion, but your opinion is wrong.

**MonkeyBallistic**

AndrewGPaul wrote:
Better artists? Well, I suppose that depends on what criteria you use to do your art criticism, but fair enough. None of them were GW's art director, though; no matter what you think of his skill, GW's settings have been defined by him.

John's been posting some images of early art from other GW artists from the 80s on his Facebook page; some of the comments from John and the artists themselves are quite interesting.

Indeed. John Blanche’s actual art is fantastic and, imho, a thousand times better than most of the crap that takes up space in GW’s books these days.

I think part of the negativity towards JB, especially criticism of his technical aptitude, is due to people looking at his concept sketches as if they were finished pieces of art. They’re simply not and not intended to be. They’re quick ideas, usually the beginning of a design process that involves multiple people, intended only to be a springboard for the creativity of a whole team. His actual finished art is incredible, but of course, it comes down to taste whether you like it or not.

Honestly, anyone is free to like John Blanche’s art or not like it. However, as someone who has studied art myself, I’ll always defend John Blanche from the charge of being a terrible artist. I’m my view he’s brilliant, but just not to everyone’s taste.

**Shadox**

Better picture of the painted version up on warhammer community

**H.B.M.C.**

Uhhhg...

I've liked everything in the HH Character Series to date.

But not this. Forget not looking male; he doesn't even look human.

**MonkeyBallistic**

Personally, I don’t think I’d ever really get into Horus Heresy as long as they stick with the crappy old scale marines. I’m going to buy Valdor as a painting project though. I think he’s a gorgeous mini.

**Warhams-77**

M_R_Parker on B&C reporting from Nottingham - FW / BL / SG news - the photos are on his instagram account

- May contain HH spoilers -

yesterday

Down in Black Library we have Jughati Khan (limited edition), Wolfsbane, Sons of the Emperor, and an event exclusive journal - posts to iG incoming

m_r_parker, on 02 Feb 2018 - 5:34 PM, said:

The cast list for Wolfsbane is insane!

see his pics here http://www.instagram.com/m_r_parker/

Ok, I have trudged through the queues, bought some things, got some books, and even managed to get Dan Abnett to sign the event anthology (I think the other authors may have a word, he's taken up most of the front page!)
Something I didn't spot as well, they have book 48, The Burden of Loyalty, on sale too. Also pre-sales for Black Library Live tickets at WHW in June.

Right, I'm going to crack open some models and see what's what in the boxes. Expect poor light shots, because for some reason my room only has mood lighting...

Ok, so taken some shots of the parts Valdor comes in, it's not as many as I had thought.

First niggle is that I've already got to get mine replaced, as the scroll he's holding has already broke. that's beyond filly to try and pin so it's going back.

The scenic base is Prospero themed, and is quite nice. There's a good level of detail, and I don't think he's overly bling-y considering who he is.
I tried to do a height comparison with a regular Custode, and I think he's standing a clear head taller - but it's difficult to tell due to his posing (epic stance, standing on a rock)

I'll crack open the shield captain, as that guy was a nice surprise.

hopkins, on 02 Feb 2018 - 8:25 PM, said:
My kingdom for that Wolfsbane novel

I seriously think the internal art is getting a lot better, like this:

Spoiler:

Leman Russ howls for an audience in the hall of the Erlking

How about one of the Warmaster too:

https://imgur.com/0N57lQy

There is one - but there's only 4 pieces of art in the book and I don't want to end up showing them all.
Can't spoil everything now can we

But those are probably the two most epic pictures in the book

I'm not sure whether this is new or not, but I've come across something interesting in the Journal they've been selling as an Event Exclusive. Nice writing book, but at the bottom of every fourth page or so they give you a date in the Imperial calendar and a notable event on that date. Most are stuff we already know, such as Istvaan or Molech, or even the siege - but I swear these two I've not heard of before:

029.012.M31 - The Dark Angels destroy Chemos, the home world of the Emperor's Children

398.013.M31 - The Dark Angels destroy Barbarus, home world of the Death Guard

I'll be the first to admit I still haven't caught up with all my HH readings (and buying another two books in the series isn't helping matters), but I've never seen this before. Is this new info?

Apparently the Dark Angels also destroyed Davin - seems that they were on their own purge towards the end of the Heresy.

TheMalius, on 02 Feb 2018 - 10:37 PM, said:
Is the new Shield Captain an event only? I've seen some people say so, but it doesn't say that on the poster.

Still to be determined - the guys manning the sales area weren't FW so couldn't say for sure, but they seem to think it would be available for a general release.

one to confirm for tomorrow.

today:

Welcome folks to day 1 of the Weekender, local time as I’m writing this is coming up 9am, with the opening seminar starting at around 10am. I might skip the first seminar (a welcome to Necromunda) as I have books for people to sign and cabinets to peruse.

I’ll also be checking the Warhammer Community page through the weekend, but especially this morning. I expect quite quickly we’ll see photos of the pre-orders, I’m just debating whether they’ll drop some of the preview stuff in the cabinets, which if they do at 10am will annoy me. I hope they have the sense to keep that powder dry until after the New Model seminar.

Not wanting to dwell on this too much, but for those absolutely demanding to see the internal artwork for Sanguinius, and who think that not showing everything immediately is an act of snobbery ... here it is:

https://imgur.com/dLZotI4

It’s not fantastic, which is why I would rather show off the Russ and Horus pieces, which are simply stunning in comparison. A group shot of Primarchs isn’t exactly common, but they’re in the distance and don’t have the level of detail and impact that the other two have.
The fourth and last pic is Cawl, as an acolyte huddled over a desk in the dark:

https://imgur.com/UcfqtPl

A better quality picture - but unless you know it’s Cawl it could literally be any Mechanicum Acoylte...

I hope that removes the stain of ‘snobbery’ from my posts.

And for whoever it was asking about the availability of the Horus Heresy journal (for writing in, but with a super fancy cover) - it’s an event exclusive, sorry

Some news from the sales area, the following have currently sold out with a potential to get more later on in the weekend:
Valdor
Shield Captain
Necromunda Hired Guns

Stock level on Dorn is pretty low too.

Also, the random appearance of the SW Praetor is because when they first produced the model they ear-marked a quantity for the event which weren’t put into general release. He is being ‘tweaked’ but the guy didn’t know how, he’s not FW so it’s a bit much to be expected.

@kombatwombat - the rules for Misericordia are simply a generic hand weapon, no additional stat line or abilities. I spoke with Alan Bligh about it at the last Weekender. As for an FAQ, that’s another question to add to the pile.

There may be some new sales items tomorrow morning... Tony Cottrell has just announced

Been offline going round the various cabinets and chatting to various people, so I've managed to skip the first two seminars (slightly annoyed about missing the second, not so much on the first).

With regards to the journals, they are a limited release run. The actual plan for these is for them to be available in GW sores (not third parties) for a specific weekend in May. Apparently there were only ~5000 made, and there are about ~450 GW stores globally, so each store will be getting around half a dozen. They freed up a few hundred for here, and any leftovers may get carried across to Warhammer Fest and possibly (not definitely) be available in the Black Library store at WHW. In short, if you're coming to WHW and are expecting to find some then you're likely out of luck. The easiest way will be to wait to May and make sure you can get one at your local GW.

Wolfsbane release might be April, might be May. Just spoke to Guy Hayley and Nick Kyme about this, these are super early pre release

I spent around half an hour with Simon Eagan talking about Primarchs and stuff, and boy is this guy more gifted than we give him credit for...

First off, Dorn was pretty much scratch built at a 1:1 scale in the flesh. No CAD, no three-ups, literally working at a level of detail that you get on the model - it's insane. The really small balls that go around some of the armour pads and on the chest eagle, those actually come from a Britta water filter (other water filtering products are available), and the head started off as Ferrus Manus with some hair sculpted on...
Very tight lipped about what is coming next, he's obviously not allowed to talk about anything much about what he's currently working on. We talked about the Emperor getting a model, and to quote him "I'd be very unhappy if I didn't get to do the Emperor", and with there being a scene similar to the classic Mike McVey diorama with the Emperor standing off against Horus over the broken body of Sanguinius. Going through the work books he's brought (Dorn, Russ and Magnus), there's some very cool early concepts and showing of how everything is brought together in the model. And bits like Russ' head was originally Fulgrim's just add to the amazement. In all seriousness, the magnificent pads that Dorn wear originally started off as basic Terminator shoulder pads that had all the detail added manually...
This guy blows my mind with what he can do with a sculpting tool.

Neil Roberts was there too with his art folders, and it's amazing to see all the extra bits he adds in where titles, spines and blurbs are going to be present - he adds in little bits and pieces in the full knowledge that no-one other than him is going to see them, and he still does them anyway. Insanity. Did manage to get one small bit of info out of him, which is the latest piece he's working on is, in his words, an "anti-Ullanor" where instead of there being Primarchs and the Imperials there's a bunch of destruction and chaos worshipping. Lips were tightened after that. Apparently some of the Black Library guys had a meeting yesterday to start fleshing out the first three books of the Siege of Terra arc, but he wasn't privy to a lot of that.

Not a lot of new stuff in the cabinets - I did see some Alpha Legion and Salamander door sets on display, I don't think I've seen them before but they've probably been documented now. We're hitting Lunch now, and then afterwards I will be entirely in seminars for the rest of the day:

Future of Necromunda - 1:45 - 2:45 (approx 1hr from now)
Malevolance - 3:00 - 4:00 (approx 2hr15 from now)
New HH Models - 4:15 - 5:00 (approx 3hr30 from now)

**nels1031**

Valdor’s head reminds me of John Travolta from Battlefield Earth,

**H.B.M.C.**

"... an "anti-Ullanor" where instead of there being Primarchs and the Imperials there's a bunch of destruction and chaos worshipping."

Can someone decipher this for me?

"Apparently some of the Black Library guys had a meeting yesterday to start fleshing out the first three books of the Siege of Terra arc, but he wasn't privy to a lot of that."

No doubt the first 3 of 100 books to be released over the next 18 years.

**SeanDrake**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
"... an "anti-Ullanor" where instead of there being Primarchs and the Imperials there's a bunch of destruction and chaos worshipping."

Can someone decipher this for me?

"Apparently some of the Black Library guys had a meeting yesterday to start fleshing out the first three books of the Siege of Terra arc, but he wasn't privy to a lot of that."

No doubt the first 3 of 100 books to be released over the next 18 years.

Yeah since the HH books started I have:

Changed jobs 4 times
Got Engaged
Became an uncle
Got Married
Turned 30
Bought a house
Became an uncle again
Had a son
Replaced a quarter of my spine
Enjoyed my son's 2nd birthday
Bought way to many games and models

Not bad for what started as a 2 page story I guess nobody flogs a dead horse quite like BL.

And Valdors still the worst none BloodBowl model FW have ever made by a big stretch. Looking at the art and how Valdor turned out I am terrified of how gak the Big E might end up.

**Mr_Rose**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Uhhhg...

I've liked everything in the HH Character Series to date.

But not this. Forget not looking male; he doesn't even look human.

Yeahpp sounds about right. He’s the Custodes’ Custos - the first among demigods - an immortal genetically engineered being that might once have been human but hasn’t been anything of the sort in, at minimum, centuries.

It’s kinda funny to me that people bang on about how marines are “genetically enhanced” when they simply aren’t (except maybe space wolves, blood angels, and thousand sons) - they are surgically implanted with engineered organs but their baseline DNA isn’t typically touched. Suppressed with hormones output by the novel organs for sure, supplanted in function sometimes, but not actually cut up and glued back together.
Custodes, on the other dendrite, really are. Rebuilt and restructured as they grow from infants in a process that takes decades rather than years they are truly inhuman.

That said, I guess it’s up to the viewer to decide if that’s what the sculptor was really going for. Death of the author and all that.

**ImAGeek**

Release dates for the new stuff:
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/searchResults?N=191608925+3839267896

**Crimson**

Yep, Valdor looks great. The only thing I don't like the claw on the pelt, it looks too big and clumsy. Otherwise a stellar model. If I ever get around building a 40K Custodes detachment I'll probably get this model to represent the Captain-General rather than the plastic one.

**H.B.M.C.**

Sweet. I love those spears.

Dorn looks even better.

**Crimson**

Also, I hope the spears get 40K rules. An easy way to add some variety to the force. FW was supposed to publish 40K rules for their Custodes stuff, alas , it has not happened yet. I'm not gonna start an new army until I know what options I'll have available.

**Mantel**

From Phosphex Party on Facebook.

Book 8 Malevolence confirmed to be White Scars and Blood Angels.

Book 9 retains the name Angelius and will focus on the Thamas Crusade and Dark Mechanicum.

**angelofvengeance**

Nm....

**djones520**

Mantel wrote:
From Phosphex Party on Facebook.

Book 8 Malevolence confirmed to be White Scars and Blood Angels.

Book 9 retains the name Angelius and will focus on the Thamas Crusade and Dark Mechanicum.

I don't have the words to describe how angry I am right now...

**ChaosDad**

djones520 wrote:

I don't have the words to describe how angry I am right now...

Not to turn the knife in the wound, but why are you angry?

**djones520**

ChaosDad wrote:
djones520 wrote:

I don't have the words to describe how angry I am right now...

Not to turn the knife in the wound, but why are you angry?

Been patiently waiting for 3 years now to get everything for my Legion. Been told for over a year now it's the next book. The FW president specifically said Angelus would be out in 2018.

And today, they tell us Dark Angels have been pushed in the que back, and our wait will now be... well who knows how long.

I felt bad for White Scars, but they knew they had the wait ahead of them. This was just having the rug pulled out from under DA players.

**zedmeister**

Mantel wrote:
From Phosphex Party on Facebook.

Book 8 Malevolence confirmed to be White Scars and Blood Angels.

Book 9 retains the name Angelius and will focus on the Thamas Crusade and Dark Mechanicum.

Yes! Can it be? Scars will be next? So happy right now!

**H.B.M.C.**

djones520 wrote:
Been patiently waiting for 3 years now to get everything for my Legion.

Their head writer died. Plans have obviously changed.

**ImAGeek**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
djones520 wrote:
Been patiently waiting for 3 years now to get everything for my Legion.
Their head writer died. Plans have obviously changed.

I mean at one point Inferno was meant to be like book 3/4. The order is always shifting about.

**Looky Likey**

ImAGeek wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
djones520 wrote:
Been patiently waiting for 3 years now to get everything for my Legion.
Their head writer died. Plans have obviously changed.

I mean at one point Inferno was meant to be like book 3/4. The order is always shifting about.

was just in the age of darkness forum, so that and specialist games have caused all the delays.

DA delayed because they are getting a bunch of crazy stuff and models to match. WS added instead because they are seen as easy to do. Dark mechanicum dropped till the next book.

Angeleous split into 2 books, one more red book for all the Legions, then FW to change basic rule set to either 7 and 8 hybrid, 8th only or brand new rule set.

**ImAGeek**

Yeah the DA are getting rules for all 6 of their wings.