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 bullyboy wrote:
Sisters tank is a huge miss for me. Doesn't hold a candle to the other 2 tanks.

Ba-dum-tsss

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
So the Predator hull/turret can accommodate a battle cannon or twin autocannon.

...so Marines just decided to stick with the single autocannon on the Destructor for thousands of years just for lulz?

Predator is less a battle tank, more infantry support. Originally meant to be a fast moving fire base.

Well has it ever actually moved any faster than most tanks?

Was pretty nippy in 2nd Ed.


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 Gert wrote:
That was a pretty cool preview imo. I was banking on Vamps getting their update soon to drag someone into AoS and GW didn't disappoint. Considering its Vampire Counts but new it should be pretty good for army choice out of the gate and as worried as I am about the new Skeles being way too expensive, I am digging the design.

Yeah. Guesses from the teasers were accurate, but some genuine surprises in there too.

 Dysartes wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
c) GW just bolting even moar gunz onto platforms is less than stellar design - the Castigator shown has six different weapons! It's like the Repulsor again.

3 heavy bolters, pintle storm bolter, and whatever the main gun is?

Not so much a Repulsive - after all, at least this as tracks - as the bastard offspring of a Predator and a Leman Russ.

I was just thinking this myself.

As a long time Sisters player, I have all the Rhinos, Immys and Organs that I need, but they got me on this one, totally new kit for my army.. now.. just hoping the rules live up to the cool

Another meaty and awesome preview, GW is smashing it with these recently!

I am keen as a bean for the AdMech book and Marshal, super boss model!

And I’m mad keen for these new Orks! Just the 1 Squig beast rider dude and his Gretchen bro have me hugely hyped, along with the teases in the trailer! Gretchen turrets on Orks! So boss.

 Irbis wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
a) Marines have modified existing weapon loadouts on vehicles - eg the Crusader

And yet somehow putting twin asscannon in turret is too hard for anyone not BA. Go figure.

b) If the Castigator exists, why aren't the Astartes using it instead of/alongside the Predator?

Why you're complaining about this but not the fact Sisters had for decades better Whirlwind than the gak model SM use?

These distinctions are a good thing though because they make the armies different. If every army had access to the best configurations it would get very samey.

I like the vampire stuff, only question is how easy they are to rank up on square bases.

The redemptionists are pure win, a really good update on the old 90's look.

Sisters predator is a bit too busy, also how come they get a better version than the marines?

 Arbitrator wrote:
"What about Xenos?"

Orks are Imperium now? Or is it Chaos by any chance?

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Danny76 wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
That Snakebites video was hilarious. Also Squig cavalry!!!

Seems it’s a new clan.
Beastsnagga’s

I think it is rather a sub-clan of the Snakebites which focuses primary on the Squig breeding.

Not even subclan, something like grot herders. I'd imagine GW would want to make it appealing option for all ork players, not just one subfaction.

Danny76 wrote:
Soulblight to me seems one of the better ones considering what some of the others were.

I don't really like horses having skull heads but perfectly intact rest of the body. They should do one or the other, just head looks kind of dumb.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As someone who adores the Reds, I am bitterly disappointed to find out that they managed to design 3 miniatures

3 miniatures that can make 9 completely different models that look so different you need to carefully examine side by side to notice similar torso.

They should have done it tactical squad way, 10 ""multipose"" bodies that produce nearly the same clones in virtually identical pose no matter what you do (unless you go for anatomically impossible, silly looking torso twists), eh?

And them, to top that off, the great new Sisters unit is just a slightly different Predator.

GW makes new models, bad (even if that is just grav predator or slightly bigger land speeder). GW reimagines old models, bad too. They can't win, eh?

Though to be fair, at least we haven't (yet) heard how them releasing predator is pRoOf oF sQaTtInG but I'm sure usual types will wake up and inform us soon as to precisely how it is 999% certainty now, 5 years of inane conspiracy theories notwithstanding

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

How could you not see a main gun for a Predator styled tank though? You can see the barrel of a pintle bolter but not an autocannon or lascannon or whatever gun it's got?

Do you... do you understand how silhouettes work? You can't see the main gun on the Predator that I posted just beside it if you black out the whole tank.


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Anyway I see this is pointless, I'll be back to quote myself on Saturday.

The low body count in Redemption is disappointing. Hopefully there'll at least be a discounted double-box like the slave ogryn got.

 frankelee wrote:
Well now it's confirmed that the units we get in Cursed City are indeed taster packs for the units coming with the Soulblight Gravelords.

Just like tzeentch dudes in Silver Tower

 Overread wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
So the Predator hull/turret can accommodate a battle cannon or twin autocannon.

...so Marines just decided to stick with the single autocannon on the Destructor for thousands of years just for lulz?

You are aware that guardsmen have been shot for adding better scopes to their standard issue guns right? ANYTHING not in the STL or ordained by the Machine God is grounds to be shot. That's why they are using WW1 style tank designs as their main battletank. The Marines are no different - its a universe half mad

Except for the Pred Annihilator existing because a bunch of Space Wolves screwed their lascannons onto a chassis.
Or the Land Raider Helios because their whirlwinds were having trouble surviving during a siege.

Marines have repeatedly flaunted the rules and customised their vehicles outside of ST designs only for the Mechanicus to later retroactively say it was all good, because it would look bad to outlaw it when dozens of chapters were already using them for multiple years.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
It's literally just a Predator with a frilly railing at the back of the turret.

If we're gonna play the "just drop a snarky quote game"...

Remember that you kept insisting that it was a Predator. Congrats! You were right, it's a tank rather than a redesign of the Repressor.

It's not like there is precedent in them going from a 'standard, vaguely militarized design' to 'what the hell is going on?!' in the Exorcist or Immolator though.

 Irbis wrote:

 Arbitrator wrote:
"What about Xenos?"

Orks are Imperium now? Or is it Chaos by any chance?

 Shadow Walker wrote:

Danny76 wrote:

 Shadow Walker wrote:
That Snakebites video was hilarious. Also Squig cavalry!!!

Seems it’s a new clan.
Beastsnagga’s

I think it is rather a sub-clan of the Snakebites which focuses primary on the Squig breeding.

Not even subclan, something like grot herders. I'd imagine GW would want to make it appealing option for all ork players, not just one subfaction.

Danny76 wrote:
Soulblight to me seems one of the better ones considering what some of the others were.

I don't really like horses having skull heads but perfectly intact rest of the body. They should do one or the other, just head looks kind of dumb.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
As someone who adores the Reds, I am bitterly disappointed to find out that they managed to design 3 miniatures

3 miniatures that can make 9 completely different models that look so different you need to carefully examine side by side to notice similar torso.

They should have done it tactical squad way, 10 ""multipose"" bodies that produce nearly the same clones in virtually identical pose no matter what you do (unless you go for anatomically impossible, silly looking torso twists), eh?

Hmm I think it was clear the inbetween is what’s meant.
Like the rest of the Necromunda sets. 5 bodies with lots of variance.
(We don’t know that this is three that makes nine, just three that makes six also, so even worse at current knowledge.
Three that do nine wouldn’t be terrible but I can’t see there being three upper torsos parts for each model as well as 6 arms each..


Yeah on the horses, I agree, one or the other perhaps..

 Lord Damocles wrote:

 Dysartes wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
c) GW just bolting even moar gunz onto platforms is less than stellar design - the Castigator shown has six different weapons! It's like the Repulsor again.

3 heavy bolters, pintle storm bolter, and whatever the main gun is?

It also has a hunter killer missile in the trailer video

So as many weapons as a standard Leman Russ has had since 2nd edition.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:

 Lord Damocles wrote:
So the Predator hull/turret can accommodate a battle cannon or twin autocannon.

...so Marines just decided to stick with the single autocannon on the Destructor for thousands of years just for lulz?

Predator is less a battle tank, more infantry support. Originally meant to be a fast moving fire base.

Well has it ever actually moved any faster than most tanks?

Was pretty nippy in 2nd Ed.


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 Gert wrote:
That was a pretty cool preview imo. I was banking on Vamps getting their update soon to drag someone into AoS and GW didn't disappoint. Considering its Vampire Counts but new it should be pretty good for army choice out of the gate and as worried as I am about the new Skeles being way too expensive, I am digging the design.

Yeah. Guesses from the teasers were accurate, but some genuine surprises in there too.

But by how much?

Overall an enjoyable preview.

Was just waiting for Vampire Counts to start with AoS and the models are fantastic.

Something about the gun barrel on the Sister Predator looks too sleek / modern to me, but the rest of it is great.

My feeling is that these Orks will double down as Feral Orks for AoS.

Noticed how on the wall painting the Squig had mechanical limbs? Could be an easy bit-swap for either system.

 Tim the Biovore wrote:
Yeah, Eddie called them Snakebites, and while they've made mistakes before, it seems like this is a sub-culture that goes beyond being a bit traditional and views squigs as the solution to every problem

Sounds like an excuse to be able to run them with any clan, frankly, but I'll accept it

Most ork players are just not aware that feral orks and snakebites are not the same, just like speed freeks and evil suns are not the same. Snakebites are merely the clan with the most feral orks.

In fact, one of the best know feral orks - Ol'Zogwort - is a freeboota, and not a snakebite as many people incorrectly claim.

That said, I don't like the model. Too much AoS and too little 40k. A headswap might fix the problem though, I think I still have one of the burna heads who is smoking a cigar.

Re. the 'Beast Snaggas' vs. 'Snakebites' thing... IIRC, in the old (RT-era) fluff, 'Snaggas' was the actual Ork-language name for the clan, while 'Snakebites' was the human / Low Gothic translation. The Ork glyph 'snaga' meant any bitey/stingy sort of animal, or the bite or sting thereof, hence 'snake-bite'.

Imperium 40k... Awesome..

I think beast snaggas are simply a sub-kulture, similar in style to speed freaks. Growing and fighting with/in/from squigs.

This is probably old practice (whatever that means for greenskin) and like Evil Sunz, Snakebites probably has overpresentation of these guys.

 Irbis wrote:
3 miniatures that can make 9 completely different models that look so different you need to carefully examine side by side to notice similar torso.

Where you getting 9 from?

The fact that soulblight pretty much look like a WHFB release makes me incredibly happy.

But why a Predator? They could have literally done anything and they decided to recycle a boring Space Marine vehicle? Even when the army was brand new back in 2nd edition and our options were super limited I didn't want Predator. Its about the most boring choice I can imagine.

It’s not a Predator.

It’s closer to a Leman Russ, given its arms

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s not a Predator.

It’s closer to a Leman Russ, given its arms

Its clearly a predator chassis. Not a Lemun Russ chassis.

 jake wrote:

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
It’s not a Predator.

It’s closer to a Leman Russ, given its arms

Its clearly a predator chassis. Not a Lemun Russ chassis.

With an M1 Abrams turret

Big guy, anyone?

Good spot!

It's the Blood Knight leader with a Fell bat behind him.

Very good spot. Considering we don't currently have options for a Vampire Lord on Nightmare that might be the replacement.

But it does look very similar to the old 6th ed Winged Nightmare Vamp Lord...so maybe we'll see that coming back?

Very cool preview. I wasn't a fan of the Sisters tank at first, but the more I look at it, the more I like it with all the inquistor seals and other details.

Soulblight look very cool, and hopefully Orks get an awesome release.