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chaos0xomega wrote:
kinda agree with Siegfriedr on that, something about them feels off. Not sure if its the sculpts (would have expected gouges and dents in their armor to highlight their savagery and tendency to prioritize battle over maintenance, etc.

 Zywus wrote:
Some battle damage might have been nice, but personally i'm happy they're rather subdued as I'm looking to use them as heresy-ers World Eaters and they'll fit right in with little modification and a change of backpacks.

I think the issue is mainly the paint job. Give em some weathering and blood splatter and I think they'll look at home in either 40k or 30k

Honestly, the less scultped battle damage the better. It's way easier to add them yourself than trying to remove them.
Again, the real problem here is how... totally off the mark the painjob is.
They painted thos Khorne Berserkers like if they were some clean Blood Angels, and even then, you often see more weathering and painted scratch on the angel boys than what they did for thos supposed extremely gritty and savage berskerers.

If there's one mini that needs 400% weathering, splatter and scratching in the paintjob it's them, even more so than the Plague Marine themselves.

Sure, I can agree with that. I think in general the point is that unlike the Death Guard, CSM, and Thousand Sons (insofar as the sorcerors and the like are concerned, not so much the rubric marines), as painted the Berserker minis do not exude "character" in the way some of us expect them to. Its nothing that couldn't be fixed with some more paint and weathering IMO, but its disappointing that after waiting this long GW didn't put a bit more effort into it.

Someone earlier mentioned about players possibly using Possessed models as a stand-in for the eight-daemons-in-one-dude unit if the codex doesn't have Possessed and you want to have them in your army regardless. It sounds like a good idea, but has there been any info about how big that new model's base size is going to be?

Pretty sure this wasn’t rumoured….

Get a First Look at Brand New World Eaters Parts - WarCom

So we are getting some kind of big, close combat unit or something.

I didn't think the rumors alluded to anything like that

Edit: unless it is that eight daemons in one thing?


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The rest of the heads are okay? I still think the FW upgrade heads are far superior. These just look like the conversions people made from the AOS Khorne heads and the current CSM helmets. A few notably Mk 5 heads or older versions would have been a nice addition.

Looks like a Khorne-specific melee Obliterator tbh - the arms, the plate and the head are similar in shape. So I guess it's one of the big Possessed?

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Pretty sure this wasn’t rumoured….

Whelp, I guess we know where Mutilators have gone now. Looks like they're going to be a World Eaters exclusive.

That might be the rumoured super possessed

Large breast plate and chainfist... Could it be terminators?

 vim_the_good wrote:
Large breast plate and chainfist... Could it be terminators?

...no, absolutely not, the proportions and design and scale are all wrong. They match Obliterators much better.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
...no, absolutely not, the proportions and design and scale are all wrong. They match Obliterators much better.

It does indeed looks more like an obliterator thing... or maybe a Hellbrute (the head has the same kind of elongated look than the Hellbrute usually have).
Now the question is, will this be a random standalone kit, or will GW take the opportunity to make a dual build with the obliterator and bring an end to its current sorry state of monopose minis sharing a sprue with a venomcrawler?

Thread is excelent example to dictionary under phrase "hope dies last"

I guess chainblades with extra blades which get in the way of the CHAIN part are just a common feature of Chaos now.

While they could be Mutilators, the Mutilators in lore look quite different, having far more twisted and fleshier appearance than this:



I personally lean towards them being Terminators, most likely Red Butchers.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
While they could be Mutilators, the Mutilators in lore look quite different, having far more twisted and fleshier appearance than this:

Spoiler:

I personally lean towards them being Terminators, most likely Red Butchers.

Obliterators also used to look like that.

And then lo and behold, they got models that actually look half-decent and their look changed completely.

Thus, it would only make sense for Mutilators to get a similar redesign to be in line with the new Obliteators.

The Obliterators still have the appearance of their weapons being fused to/having grown out of their bodies, and the body is still extremely bloated, while the new sprues make it look like the weapon has simply been put on and that there has been no real change in the proportions of the musculature.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
The Obliterators still have the appearance of their weapons being fused to/having grown out of their bodies, and the body is still extremely bloated, while the new sprues make it look like the weapon has simply been put on and that there has been no real change in the proportions of the musculature.

Look at where the hand and chainblade meet. That looks pretty "fused" to me. And as for "proportions": that hand is the size of a power fist.

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Pretty sure this wasn’t rumoured….

Wasn't there a rumour all the way back a few years ago that Mutilators were going to disappear from CSM and reappear with the World Eaters?

Because those parts look like Obliterator style parts to me - the head, the chest place, the arm. People have already posted the outstretched fist Obliterator as a comparison.

For those saying it looks too thin? Stick a massive chonky shoulder pad on it. And it looks just like that Obliterator Power Fist arm just with a chainblade attached.

So I think that rumour that got laughed off like 2 years back (?) might actually be having some meat on its bones...

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
The Obliterators still have the appearance of their weapons being fused to/having grown out of their bodies, and the body is still extremely bloated, while the new sprues make it look like the weapon has simply been put on and that there has been no real change in the proportions of the musculature.

My guy, I have absolutely no idea what the hell you're going on about.

My first thought seeing the post was "mutilator", followed by "weird World Eaters specific Helbrute". The proportions and detailing I think leans towards mutilator or mutiliator-like. The chestplate (I think thats a chestplate?) is the wrong shape for a helbrute and the scaling and detailing of the arm matches the obliterators pretty closely, including the hosing and socketing.

 ArcaneHorror wrote:
While they could be Mutilators, the Mutilators in lore look quite different, having far more twisted and fleshier appearance than this:

Spoiler:

I personally lean towards them being Terminators, most likely Red Butchers.

They're not terminators. Give it up.

tneva82 wrote:
Thread is excelent example to dictionary under phrase "hope dies last"

Indeed. I don't know what part of "reliable rumormonger with 100% accuracy told us no terminators in the release" people are having difficulty parsing, but this is pathetic.

The leakers didn't say Mutilators were coming either and that is 100% a Mutilator arm.

I assume that's the super possessed. It looks like a mix of the new berserkers and the new possessed.

Perhaps the super-possessed and the new Mutilators are going to be one and the same.

If that is a Mutilator, I hope that rules are given for them to be used by regular CSM armies. As far as I know, they were used by most of the Legions.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Perhaps the super-possessed and the new Mutilators are going to be one and the same.

Would make a lot of sens ngl.
But that arm doesn't scream "processed fused with 8 blootletters" to me ether tbh.

Edit: After remembering how GW had sneakily revealed in advance the LoV Land Fortress by hidding it in the background of an illustration I took a second look at the WE illustration we got thus far and I've noticed something pretty interesting here :


See that thing right in the middle? At first I thought it was a Hellbrute, but they don't have bolter weapons, and the share looks more like a terminator to me.
So that would confirm that we got at least a terminator character with what looks like a weird 3 fingered power fist and a bolt weapon of some kind.

When we learned that Mutilators were not in the CSM Codex, I was sure that GW was going to recycle them with the World Eaters.

I should be somewhat happy but I am not. Because now I'm sure that the recent rumours we had were true. It's gonna be a release ala TS and it's gonna suck hard.

 (HN) wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Perhaps the super-possessed and the new Mutilators are going to be one and the same.

Would make a lot of sens ngl.
But that arm doesn't scream "processed fused with 8 blootletters" to me ether tbh.

Edit: After remembering how GW had sneakily revealed in advance the LoV Land Fortress by hidding it in the background of an illustration I took a second look at the WE illustration we got thus far and I've noticed something pretty interesting here :


See that thing right in the middle? At first I thought it was a Hellbrute, but they don't have bolter weapons, and the share looks more like a terminator to me.
So that would confirm that we got at least a terminator character with what looks like a weird 3 fingered power fist and a bolt weapon of some kind.

Ah, because GW have this fantastic history of showing art with options that the army or unit in question cant take. Remember the Heavy Bolter Plague Marines of 3rd edition?

 DarkStarSabre wrote:

 (HN) wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
Perhaps the super-possessed and the new Mutilators are going to be one and the same.

Would make a lot of sens ngl.
But that arm doesn't scream "processed fused with 8 blootletters" to me ether tbh.

Edit: After remembering how GW had sneakily revealed in advance the LoV Land Fortress by hidding it in the background of an illustration I took a second look at the WE illustration we got thus far and I've noticed something pretty interesting here :


See that thing right in the middle? At first I thought it was a Hellbrute, but they don't have bolter weapons, and the share looks more like a terminator to me.
So that would confirm that we got at least a terminator character with what looks like a weird 3 fingered power fist and a bolt weapon of some kind.

Ah, because GW have this fantastic history of showing art with options that the army or unit in question cant take. Remember the Heavy Bolter Plague Marines of 3rd edition?

Recently they switched to basically a "no model, no art" approach - some models, like the Venocrawler were even fist seen on background artwork.

Then again, the covers of Codex: Genestealer Cults and Codex: Adeptus Mechanicus never got models, and we haven't got Imperial Knight bondsmen/sacristans yet, but they're pictured in the main rulebook...