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There have been plenty of art pieces in recent years that don't show actual models. It was late 6th/7th/8th where they cleaved hard to "art can only depict models you can buy", not 9th.

 dan2026 wrote:
The leakers didn't say Mutilators were coming either and that is 100% a Mutilator arm.

Thats a stretch though. I think its more likely the new super-possessed happens to be a reincarnation of mutilators (obvs with a different name) then it actually being a "mutilator". (For that reason I don't expect mutilators to be made available to CSM again - sorry ArcaneHorror.

See that thing right in the middle? At first I thought it was a Hellbrute, but they don't have bolter weapons, and the share looks more like a terminator to me.

Helbrute Twin-linked heavy bolter and and twin bolter claw option both say "Am I a joke to you?"

 Lord Damocles wrote:
Then again, the covers of Codex: Genestealer Cults and Codex: Adeptus Mechanicus never got models, and we haven't got Imperial Knight bondsmen/sacristans yet, but they're pictured in the main rulebook...

I'm convinced the sacristans are coming next codex update.

I'm guessing it's just a character.

Thats also possible, keep seeing mentions of a Juggernaut (sp?) in rumors, seemed to be an HQ character.

chaos0xomega wrote:
Thats also possible, keep seeing mentions of a Juggernaut (sp?) in rumors, seemed to be an HQ character.

Named.

It's the Brazen Beasts Lord Discordant, he has a flying juggernaut-based mount or something to that effect.

 dan2026 wrote:
The leakers didn't say Mutilators were coming either and that is 100% a Mutilator arm.

The leaker listed the ranged options available to WE, and then responded to bespoke requests if X was in the codex. No one ever asked him if Mutilators were in or not, hence no comment in the earlier rumours.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
I mean I honestly think it's just bizarre we're not getting Terminators - the other two legions got them (hell, Death Guard got two different kinds!). Is this just an anaemic release before a 10th ed book? We'll have to see.

I 'spose World Eaters 2: Now With The Other Half Of The New Models is coming pretty quickly into 10th.

The Lumineth are here and they say hello!

With 3rd book in as many years

tneva82 wrote:
With 3rd book in as many years

But this time it’s just one new model and a book right? Not half a full range

No wolves on Fenris wrote:

tneva82 wrote:
With 3rd book in as many years

But this time it’s just one new model and a book right? Not half a full range

Yeah, sadly

 Azazelx wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 blood reaper wrote:
I mean I honestly think it's just bizarre we're not getting Terminators - the other two legions got them (hell, Death Guard got two different kinds!). Is this just an anaemic release before a 10th ed book? We'll have to see.

I 'spose World Eaters 2: Now With The Other Half Of The New Models is coming pretty quickly into 10th.

The Lumineth are here and they say hello!

As do the Soulblight Gravelords!

My guess with WE and LoV is that they will get more in 10th and they have sculpts ready but are just gonna wait it out so they can milk customers piecemeal.

 Kanluwen wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Thats also possible, keep seeing mentions of a Juggernaut (sp?) in rumors, seemed to be an HQ character.

Named.

It's the Brazen Beasts Lord Discordant, he has a flying juggernaut-based mount or something to that effect.

But yeah, Jump Packs ANYWHERE in the codex would be just absurd.

WE Players: Sure would love from Khornate Terminators, bikers or even jump packers.
GW: How 'bout a flying Jugger character???
WE Players: Well, sure, but we'd also li-
GW: Just the flying jugger! You don't need the other things.
WE Players: But we want-
GW: Also here's a WE Terminator, but only for W+ subscribers.
WE Players: WTF GW???

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
WE Players: Sure would love from Khornate Terminators, bikers or even jump packers.
GW: How 'bout a flying Jugger character???
WE Players: Well, sure, but we'd also li-
GW: Just the flying jugger! You don't need the other things.
WE Players: But we want-
GW: Also here's a WE Terminator, but only for W+ subscribers.
WE Players: WTF GW???

You forgot that they'll also get the very much requested berserker cultists, because World Eaters are very well known for their tolerance of squeeshy mortals and because Chaos really didn't get enough cultists and traitor models recently

I believe that GW pushes cultists to distinguish Loyal and Chaos Marines a bit more, which in my opinion is ok. It is by far not as bad as the AoS S2D Cultist flood.

I am currently curious what exclusive/stand out units WE will receive. Red Butchers seem likely as TS and DG have their signature Terminators already and we can create butchers with a strat already. Then we know from the leaks about the Khorngors, and ofc Angron. Khorne Deamons can be added in as their own detachment, we have the rules for that already, which sadly means no mixed detachments.

If only they made the cultists half-decent, both in tabletop sense and in the kit sense

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
If only they made the cultists half-decent, both in tabletop sense and in the kit sense

Wouldn't that be nice? Makes me smile to imagine.

Khorne Cultists are doomed by concept: In an meele faction they would have to either punch hard enough to matter or provide otherwise utility. As due to AoC this would mean punching with at least S4 & AP-2, GW would either have to powercreep them hard from the beginning or provide them with another task. The archetype of cheap units that just stand on an objective is, well, not really appreciated and only played because usefull. Unless WE will have a similar mechanic to AoS Khorne(which is a design trap as it will always reward your opponent more than yourself), that rewards you for your units dying, I do not see much design headspace here.

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
If only they made the cultists half-decent, both in tabletop sense and in the kit sense

Agreed. I guess the unified theme for the BSF and current cultist make sense, as they actually look like they're members of the same cult. But not having options for a unit that's mean to be a horde is a dumb decision.

I also don't know if a unified cult look works for every CSM army. Word Bearers and Alpha Legion, sure. But I think a lot of the other legions are more likely to just have a horde of crazed people and mutants, a la the Dark Vengeance cultists.

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
If only they made the cultists half-decent, both in tabletop sense and in the kit sense

Agreed. I guess the unified theme for the BSF and current cultist make sense, as they actually look like they're members of the same cult. But not having options for a unit that's mean to be a horde is a dumb decision.

I also don't know if a unified cult look works for every CSM army. Word Bearers and Alpha Legion, sure. But I think a lot of the other legions are more likely to just have a horde of crazed people and mutants, a la the Dark Vengeance cultists.

The DV cultists were just as uniform as the new kit.


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 (HN) wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
WE Players: Sure would love from Khornate Terminators, bikers or even jump packers.
GW: How 'bout a flying Jugger character???
WE Players: Well, sure, but we'd also li-
GW: Just the flying jugger! You don't need the other things.
WE Players: But we want-
GW: Also here's a WE Terminator, but only for W+ subscribers.
WE Players: WTF GW???

You forgot that they'll also get the very much requested berserker cultists, because World Eaters are very well known for their tolerance of squeeshy mortals and because Chaos really didn't get enough cultists and traitor models recently

Who do you think crews their ships?

JSG wrote:

 GaroRobe wrote:

 Wha-Mu-077 wrote:
If only they made the cultists half-decent, both in tabletop sense and in the kit sense

Agreed. I guess the unified theme for the BSF and current cultist make sense, as they actually look like they're members of the same cult. But not having options for a unit that's mean to be a horde is a dumb decision.

I also don't know if a unified cult look works for every CSM army. Word Bearers and Alpha Legion, sure. But I think a lot of the other legions are more likely to just have a horde of crazed people and mutants, a la the Dark Vengeance cultists.

The DV cultists were just as uniform as the new kit.

I disagree. The new cultists are based around the Servants of the Abyss cultist that came out for BSF. The new variations of cultists are also heavily themed around the same masks and icons that originated from BSF. It ties all the models together very well, but does it work for every army? I don't think so. Death Guard for example can take cultists, but nothing about the new kit screams nurgle follower.

The only real uniformity you get with DV is that for some reason, most of them have shawls on their shoulders (and you're stuck with identical models). Because CSM also don't care about their mortal chaff, the ragtag look that these cultists have can work for every army (they even look good as EC, if the clothes are painted flamboyantly). The fact that they're almost entirely clothed is also an advantage, because at the very least, it gives you the option to paint them differently so they don't look as copy paste. The new cultist have minimal clothing, and so I think you can have an easier time picking out which of the models are the same.

The DV cultists are literally mirrored sculpts. Their base clothing is just standard IG uniform. You could easily use the new traitor guard minis to get the same look because that's what the DV cultists are.

DV Cultists don't look like Traitor Guard. Neither do the Abyss/new Cultists.

JSG wrote:
Who do you think crews their ships?

I just assumed sentient chainaxes. Is that wrong?

I like the look of the new Cultists - I just wish there were SOME options in any of the kits. Like at least two at least slightly different builds per mini. Maybe a headswap or a weapon swap or an arm swap ANYTHING. Because two out of the three kits don't have a SINGLE option among them, and the Cultist kit just has the option to turn two guys into Champions.

The new cultists were such a painful fumble. Finally a decent box! Oh, but we didn't add any rifles or weapon options and almost zero customization of any kind. Just a textbook unforced error.

charles_the_dead_lizzard wrote:
Khorne Cultists are doomed by concept: In an meele faction they would have to either punch hard enough to matter or provide otherwise utility. As due to AoC this would mean punching with at least S4 & AP-2, GW would either have to powercreep them hard from the beginning or provide them with another task. The archetype of cheap units that just stand on an objective is, well, not really appreciated and only played because usefull. Unless WE will have a similar mechanic to AoS Khorne(which is a design trap as it will always reward your opponent more than yourself), that rewards you for your units dying, I do not see much design headspace here.

Poxwalkers and Tzaangors are basically a midfield distraction units that force you to deal with them. I suppose if we're losing al our fast attack options, giving us Khorngors (or whatever they are going to give us) that can move quickly into the midfield and act as a distraction unit is what they are thinking.

JSG wrote:
Who do you think crews their ships?

Probably not the naked, chainsword wielding cultists berserkers we are talking about.

 GaroRobe wrote:
I disagree. The new cultists are based around the Servants of the Abyss cultist that came out for BSF. The new variations of cultists are also heavily themed around the same masks and icons that originated from BSF. It ties all the models together very well, but does it work for every army? I don't think so. Death Guard for example can take cultists, but nothing about the new kit screams nurgle follower.

Yeah, I for one really hate the direction they went with "culstists" look.
The BSF cultists of the Abyss were fine as its own special thing, but turning them into "THE cultists" is just bad, especially when these guys looks more like cosplayers than actual real culstist and what makes it worse is how GW have make them (and the much enticipated traitor guards) totally monopose with almost no customisation.... because being able to field large number of horde model that don't all look like the repeat of the same 10 VERY "characterful" minies is a good idea...

The real problem here for me is the same that we got with the Poxwalkers for the death guard, you end up creating a chaff version of the main marine unit, which leads them to compete directly with said marine, and only the strongest (ie the best pointed) unit will be used.
Why pick the Plague Marine, a unit meant to be sturdy when you can have cheaper and sturdier poxwalkers? It was so bad that they had to make rules to force you to not ONLY take thos poxwalkers.

And I can see that happen with the khorn cultists. Why would you want to add mele chaff, or glass canon mele, in an army where the berserkers are supposed to be the bread and butter?
Either these guys will be undercosted and outshine the zerkers, or they won't and will be a wast of everyone's time.
I honestly don't understand why GW thought making mele chaff was more important than making the terminator for thos WE.

 Scottywan82 wrote:
The new cultists were such a painful fumble. Finally a decent box! Oh, but we didn't add any rifles or weapon options and almost zero customization of any kind. Just a textbook unforced error.

That's what we call getting NewBoyzed.

 choppinboard wrote:
Poxwalkers and Tzaangors are basically a midfield distraction units that force you to deal with them. I suppose if we're losing al our fast attack options, giving us Khorngors (or whatever they are going to give us) that can move quickly into the midfield and act as a distraction unit is what they are thinking.

You can't really distract anything if what you are doing is the same thing than the rest of the army. What these guys will do is the same thing than the berserkers behind them, rushing forward, so sure they can tarpit, but in this day and age where GW just decided that everyone and their grandmother need to have a "cleave" option while selling units by smaller and smaller boxes, I don't see how these guys could be ever effective.

 (HN) wrote:

 choppinboard wrote:
Poxwalkers and Tzaangors are basically a midfield distraction units that force you to deal with them. I suppose if we're losing al our fast attack options, giving us Khorngors (or whatever they are going to give us) that can move quickly into the midfield and act as a distraction unit is what they are thinking.

You can't really distract anything if what you are doing is the same thing than the rest of the army. What these guys will do is the same thing than the berserkers behind them, rushing forward, so sure they can tarpit, but in this day and age where GW just decided that everyone and their grandmother need to have a "cleave" option while selling units by smaller and smaller boxes, I don't see how these guys could be ever effective.

Warp Talons charging turn one with the pre-game move act as a very good distraction unit that's killy/tough enough that your opponent has to focus fire on them. I can see Khorngors being tough with a way to slingshot them across the board quickly, and being killy on the charge but drop off in subsequent turns (which seems to be how Khorne Daemons are and how the Blood Bowl Khorngors are). This gives them some unique identity as melee shock troops as well as a distraction unit.

Good point, but Warptalon are also good because they are bodies you can slingshot at the enemy in an army that will take advantage of that move in shooting position while the enemy is tied up.
I imagine that the WE will be all about slingshoting marines at the face of the enemies and not having that much firepower that need some cover.
It would be like having Warptalon to cover for your Raptors in a way.

 (HN) wrote:
Good point, but Warptalon are also good because they are bodies you can slingshot at the enemy in an army that will take advantage of that move in shooting position while the enemy is tied up.
I imagine that the WE will be all about slingshoting marines at the face of the enemies and not having that much firepower that need some cover.
It would be like having Warptalon to cover for your Raptors in a way.

I can't disagree. Unless they expect us to take Land Raiders or there's more ranged firepower no one knows about coming down the pipeline, throwing melee units forward so your melee units can get into melee range is kind of silly. I remember back in Daemonkin days I would charge bikers headlong into the enemy to tie them up while rhinos full of zerkers moved up and I would summon Bloodletters in after all my bikers died. If there's no bikers/raptors/warptalons in WE, we need either fast moving Khorngors, Chaos Spawn, or Possessed.

I can see a stratagem allowing one unit of zerkers to advance+charge, or Angron having some kind of KILL MAIM BURN ability that makes all units in range charge forward like madmen. The Angron one makes sense because as it stands nothing will be able to keep up with him if he moves 14"+.