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What does the wyvern look like?

 krazynadechukr wrote:
What does the wyvern look like?

Wyverns are usually dragon like creatures without the forelegs. Assuming your typical Dragon has 4 legs and wings. Technically Smaug in The Hobbit is a Wyvern.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
The nice part would be they are still in the IA:1 book. So might be able to still take them, but would need an expansion.

I certainly hope this isn't the case though.

Of course the funny part will be coming against those TFG's who refuse to play against Forge World even though the Griffon uses the same rules that were in the Guard Codex up until a week before the game.

Then those people are not worth spending time playing against.

I don't get the hate for rumored wyvern. It seems super fun to use, and it ignores cover, so no 2+ cover save shenanigans.

Also, perhaps each one of the wyverns guns is 2 shots. So perhaps it has 4 shots total.

Heafstaag wrote:
I don't get the hate for rumored wyvern. It seems super fun to use, and it ignores cover, so no 2+ cover save shenanigans.

Also, perhaps each one of the wyverns guns is 2 shots. So perhaps it has 4 shots total.

It fills a role that doesn't need filling, while leaving other units that need a model out in the cold.

The "Shoot and Run for it" order is not new, Al'Reham's order "Like the Wind" is that exact same thing. I used it quite a lot in 5th edition to get giant power blobs D6" closer for a charge. I hope the special characters still get fancy orders, but I also hope they are not part of the 10 order cards as I want a good variety or orders....we'll see.

 alarmingrick wrote:

Heafstaag wrote:
I don't get the hate for rumored wyvern. It seems super fun to use, and it ignores cover, so no 2+ cover save shenanigans.

Also, perhaps each one of the wyverns guns is 2 shots. So perhaps it has 4 shots total.

It fills a role that doesn't need filling, while leaving other units that need a model out in the cold.

While that's true, I for one love options, which is what the Wyvern gives: another option.

I seem to remember there being a rumor for another plastic kit, a 5th, as so far we have scions, taurox, ogryns, and hydra/wyvern. Perhaps the 5th kit, if it exists, will be the currently missing artillery kits. I know I for one would absolutely love a plastic colossus kit.

Heafstaag wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

Heafstaag wrote:
I don't get the hate for rumored wyvern. It seems super fun to use, and it ignores cover, so no 2+ cover save shenanigans.

Also, perhaps each one of the wyverns guns is 2 shots. So perhaps it has 4 shots total.

It fills a role that doesn't need filling, while leaving other units that need a model out in the cold.

While that's true, I for one love options, which is what the Wyvern gives: another option.

I seem to remember there being a rumor for another plastic kit, a 5th, as so far we have scions, taurox, ogryns, and hydra/wyvern. Perhaps the 5th kit, if it exists, will be the currently missing artillery kits. I know I for one would absolutely love a plastic colossus kit.

I love options too. Viable options.....

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Oh, and welcome to Dakka!

 portugus wrote:
The "Shoot and Run for it" order is not new, Al'Reham's order "Like the Wind" is that exact same thing. I used it quite a lot in 5th edition to get giant power blobs D6" closer for a charge. I hope the special characters still get fancy orders only they have but I also hope they are not part of the 10 order cards as I want a good variety or orders....we'll see.

I really just want "Bring it down", "Fire on my target" and "Get back in the fight" to return. Those orders were the bread and butter orders I gave to my IG, even more often than FRFSRF.

And that is a good point. Wonder what Al'Reham gets for losing his signature order.

 alarmingrick wrote:

Heafstaag wrote:

 alarmingrick wrote:

Heafstaag wrote:
I don't get the hate for rumored wyvern. It seems super fun to use, and it ignores cover, so no 2+ cover save shenanigans.

Also, perhaps each one of the wyverns guns is 2 shots. So perhaps it has 4 shots total.

It fills a role that doesn't need filling, while leaving other units that need a model out in the cold.

While that's true, I for one love options, which is what the Wyvern gives: another option.

I seem to remember there being a rumor for another plastic kit, a 5th, as so far we have scions, taurox, ogryns, and hydra/wyvern. Perhaps the 5th kit, if it exists, will be the currently missing artillery kits. I know I for one would absolutely love a plastic colossus kit.

I love options too. Viable options.....

Edit:
Oh, and welcome to Dakka!

Thanks for the welcome!

I may just be a sucker for things I consider 'cool' at the expense of competitiveness, but I don't see how it isn't viable option depending on what your list looks like. Perhaps the rest of your list is more geared for taking out tanks and mcs, and you need a little a bit of anti-horde...seems like the Wyvern would be a fairly cheap and fairly durable option to add some anti-horde to an army.

 Happygrunt wrote:
And that is a good point. Wonder what Al'Reham gets for losing his signature order.

He gets the extra special new rule called "Removed from the Codex". I hear it's all the rage these days.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
And that is a good point. Wonder what Al'Reham gets for losing his signature order.

He gets the extra special new rule called "Removed from the Codex". I hear it's all the rage these days.

Every time I think I'm getting bitter, you set the bar that little bit higher.

 Blacksails wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
And that is a good point. Wonder what Al'Reham gets for losing his signature order.

He gets the extra special new rule called "Removed from the Codex". I hear it's all the rage these days.

Every time I think I'm getting bitter, you set the bar that little bit higher.

I'd agree with the sentiment....if only Games-Workshop didn't try their damnedest to make us as bitter as possible.

 Blacksails wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
And that is a good point. Wonder what Al'Reham gets for losing his signature order.

He gets the extra special new rule called "Removed from the Codex". I hear it's all the rage these days.

Every time I think I'm getting bitter, you set the bar that little bit higher.

The real killer is his bitterness strikes home. He says what I think, though with far more ambivalence and Australianism than I.

 MajorStoffer wrote:
Australianism

Awesome.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:
And that is a good point. Wonder what Al'Reham gets for losing his signature order.

He gets the extra special new rule called "Removed from the Codex". I hear it's all the rage these days.

!

Do we have conformation of this because I thought GW had not removed a character from a 6th ed book (and in some cases had added old ones back)?

Nids lost some characters, didn't they?

 Blacksails wrote:
Nids lost some characters, didn't they?

They did, but they didn't have models. Only IG characters who didn't have models that I can think of was Nork (who got a new one in the Ogryn box), Chenkov (Who probably won't leave as long as conscripts are an option) and Bastonne (who will probably go, but was really just a better than average sergeant).

 Blacksails wrote:
Nids lost some characters, didn't they?

Doom of Malantai, Parasite of Mordrax, anything without a model. The Guard character have models, but they're metal or finecast exclusively. If they're seriously about tossing metal completely, all we'll have is Tactical Genius, Kell, Yarrick. Even the Commissars are metal still, save the Lord.

 Happygrunt wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Nids lost some characters, didn't they?

They did, but they didn't have models. Only IG characters who didn't have models that I can think of was Nork (who got a new one in the Ogryn box), Chenkov (Who probably won't leave as long as conscripts are an option) and Bastonne (who will probably go, but was really just a better than average sergeant).

That's fair, I hope the characters stay with reasonable rules.

Also, Mordian character. Maybe. Hopefully. Probably not though. A man can dream.

 Happygrunt wrote:
They did, but they didn't have models. Only IG characters who didn't have models that I can think of was Nork (who got a new one in the Ogryn box), Chenkov (Who probably won't leave as long as conscripts are an option) and Bastonne (who will probably go, but was really just a better than average sergeant).

Well if GW are winding down their FineCost production, character models will go the way of the dodo. Moreover, as IG has so many metal characters, oddities like Alrahem and Chenkov (who does - or at least did - have a model) will vanish quicker. And then they vanish from the Codex.

But look, at the end of the day we don't really no yet. It's just speculation based upon GW's current track record of Everything™ Must™ Have™ A™ Citadel™ Miniature™ Kit™. We'll know in a week or so, but I'd suggest against holding your breath for these things.

 MajorStoffer wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Nids lost some characters, didn't they?

Doom of Malantai, Parasite of Mordrax, anything without a model. The Guard character have models, but they're metal or finecast exclusively. If they're seriously about tossing metal completely, all we'll have is Tactical Genius, Kell, Yarrick. Even the Commissars are metal still, save the Lord.

On a side note, I think it is funny you can buy the "Hero of Armageddon" in Commissar Yarrick but you can't buy any of the rank in file in the Steel Legion.

I didn't think Yarrick was working with the Cadians or Catachans now.

 Happygrunt wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Nids lost some characters, didn't they?

Doom of Malantai, Parasite of Mordrax, anything without a model. The Guard character have models, but they're metal or finecast exclusively. If they're seriously about tossing metal completely, all we'll have is Tactical Genius, Kell, Yarrick. Even the Commissars are metal still, save the Lord.

On a side note, I think it is funny you can buy the "Hero of Armageddon" in Commissar Yarrick but you can't buy any of the rank in file in the Steel Legion.

I didn't think Yarrick was working with the Cadians or Catachans now.

Steel Legion are still available under Troops in IG, for now. As are the other old metal variants.

However, as GW hasn't used a single photo of non-Cadian/Catachan IG in any publication since the main rule book, I can't imagine they'll be around long. Even the "Armageddon Steel Legion" Formation uses studio Cadians, but with studio-painted Chimeras with the old Armageddon camo scheme.

The real funny part about all that is that after they're canned, you'll probably see Death Korps repainted in Steel Legion colours, when once upon a time the Death Korps were to be represented with Steel Legion models!

 MajorStoffer wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Nids lost some characters, didn't they?

Doom of Malantai, Parasite of Mordrax, anything without a model. The Guard character have models, but they're metal or finecast exclusively. If they're seriously about tossing metal completely, all we'll have is Tactical Genius, Kell, Yarrick. Even the Commissars are metal still, save the Lord.

On a side note, I think it is funny you can buy the "Hero of Armageddon" in Commissar Yarrick but you can't buy any of the rank in file in the Steel Legion.

I didn't think Yarrick was working with the Cadians or Catachans now.

Steel Legion are still available under Troops in IG, for now. As are the other old metal variants.

However, as GW hasn't used a single photo of non-Cadian/Catachan IG in any publication since the main rule book, I can't imagine they'll be around long. Even the "Armageddon Steel Legion" Formation uses studio Cadians, but with studio-painted Chimeras with the old Armageddon camo scheme.

The real funny part about all that is that after they're canned, you'll probably see Death Korps repainted in Steel Legion colours, when once upon a time the Death Korps were to be represented with Steel Legion models!

Everything seems to have come full circle.

 MajorStoffer wrote:

 Happygrunt wrote:

 MajorStoffer wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
Nids lost some characters, didn't they?

Doom of Malantai, Parasite of Mordrax, anything without a model. The Guard character have models, but they're metal or finecast exclusively. If they're seriously about tossing metal completely, all we'll have is Tactical Genius, Kell, Yarrick. Even the Commissars are metal still, save the Lord.

On a side note, I think it is funny you can buy the "Hero of Armageddon" in Commissar Yarrick but you can't buy any of the rank in file in the Steel Legion.

I didn't think Yarrick was working with the Cadians or Catachans now.

Steel Legion are still available under Troops in IG, for now. As are the other old metal variants.

However, as GW hasn't used a single photo of non-Cadian/Catachan IG in any publication since the main rule book, I can't imagine they'll be around long. Even the "Armageddon Steel Legion" Formation uses studio Cadians, but with studio-painted Chimeras with the old Armageddon camo scheme.

The real funny part about all that is that after they're canned, you'll probably see Death Korps repainted in Steel Legion colours, when once upon a time the Death Korps were to be represented with Steel Legion models!

If worst comes to worst you can do like I have. Buy the Cadian poster boys then go buy some neo-reigh head from max-mini (think that's right) and bam you have steel legion look a likes that also look like gas masked Germans in WWII.

I believe I heard something about the Heavy Weapons Squads getting a new weapon option. Can anyone verify this?

 Commisar Krieglust wrote:
I believe I heard something about the Heavy Weapons Squads getting a new weapon option. Can anyone verify this?

Nope. And what would they get? There really isn't any man portable heavy weapons left.

Also, welcome to Dakka. Don't forget, you are here forever.

 Happygrunt wrote:

 Commisar Krieglust wrote:
I believe I heard something about the Heavy Weapons Squads getting a new weapon option. Can anyone verify this?

Nope. And what would they get? There really isn't any man portable heavy weapons left.

Also, welcome to Dakka. Don't forget, you are here forever.

Well...

There are heavy stubbers and plasma cannons. I don't think HWT can take those.

No but I got a few guesses:
Wyvern mortars upgrade?
Heavy Grav cannons?
Hot-Shot Volley gun? - (I think something like this)
Multi-Laser?
The Space marine 2 shot grenade launcher?

Who wants to bet?

Multi laser would be cool too.