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Well given that we're getting cards, maybe there's a "Primaris" order, and then you roll for other orders.




That sounds awful.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Given that GW has fallen into the habit of removing entries from their books that do not have a model, it could mean the Wyvern is taking the place of those variants, effective or not. By the by, is the Basilisk a direct-only still?

The Griffon and Colossus both have models already.

Nah, chances are these are "must-have" cheat-sheets, maybe they took a note or two from FFG with regards to the Star Wars RPG card sets.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Given that GW has fallen into the habit of removing entries from their books that do not have a model, it could mean the Wyvern is taking the place of those variants, effective or not. By the by, is the Basilisk a direct-only still?

The Griffon and Colossus both have models already.

Colossus does not have a model. You are thinking of the Bombard.

 Mr.Omega wrote:
Some orders reputedly leaked:

via Dex in Alaska on Faeit 212
"Take Aim": Gives the ordered unit Precision Shot
"Smite At Will": Gives the ordered unit Split Fire
"First Rank Second Rank": Ordered unit gains an additional attack with lasguns and hot-shot lasguns
"Forwards for the Emperor" After shooting, ordered unit must run even if they can't normally
"Move, Move, Move" Ordered unit must run, roll dice and use the highest.
"Suppressive Fire" Ordered unit's weapons have the pinning rule

Hmm. I'm on the fence about legitimacy of these orders, but I'm loving the sound of them.

We could have to roll to see which orders we get, or ones like "Take Aim" or "Forwards for the Emperor" could be character exclusive, or they could be purchasable. Interesting.

Emphasis on some because reputedly there's more.

Oh yeah !

I have been underwhelmed by most of the new stuff, but these orders sound really fun and sufficiently powerful to be tactically interesting.
"Smite at will" could remove any reluctance to include lascannons in basic squads, if you could gain a reliable way to fire antitank at their target while doing something of your laser guns.

"Take Aim" and "Forwards for the Emperor" seem too huge to be true, so they may be limited to the commander.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well given that we're getting cards, maybe there's a "Primaris" order, and then you roll for other orders.




That sounds awful.

I just puked in my mouth a little.

"Narrative"

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well given that we're getting cards, maybe there's a "Primaris" order, and then you roll for other orders.




That sounds awful.

Since I doubt we're getting a Guard specific Psyker school, they probably just wanted a way to make that extra $6 that would normally go to a Psyker specific thing.

Are these orders meant for the Guard or Scions though?

 Peregrine wrote:
The Griffon and Colossus both have models already.

By that argument why did they make a plastic Hydra?

"Take Aim": Gives the ordered unit Precision Shot
TLLC sabers can be even more scary

"Smite At Will": Gives the ordered unit Split Fire
Good news for LC hidden in a platoon and melta guns

"First Rank Second Rank": Ordered unit gains an additional attack with lasguns and hot-shot lasguns
Stormtroopers really need this. 10 of them are now a very beefy unit.

"Forwards for the Emperor" After shooting, ordered unit must run even if they can't normally
The name is ironic because most of the time the run will be away from the unit that was shot. Also RAW guardsmen can pick up an earthshaker carriage and run with it. Who needs a trojan lolz.

"Move, Move, Move" Ordered unit must run, roll dice and use the highest.
Great bread and butter order.

If the other rumor that all commisars now have the 6" ld bubble & cost 5 guardsmen orders can easily be passed

"Suppressive Fire" Ordered unit's weapons have the pinning rule
If PBS and weaken resolver are still in this order will be awesome.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It might be somewhere in between the two, like the Imperial Knight Limited Edition was with art prints.

I didn't know about the knight titan art prints. I'd still say that for me it isn't worth it but it is an improvement over just a jacket.


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 Bull0 wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Every time I see one of those up on the swap shop or bartertown I cross my fingers that the person selling gets no more than $5-10 over the cost of the normal codex.

Seems kind of needlessly bitter.

Agreed...but if people didn't instantly scoop up overpriced crap LEs (a significant portion going to people with little interest other than to resell at even more ridiculous prices) then GW might come out with ones that actually give you $50 worth of stuff.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
Given that GW has fallen into the habit of removing entries from their books that do not have a model, it could mean the Wyvern is taking the place of those variants, effective or not. By the by, is the Basilisk a direct-only still?

The Griffon and Colossus both have models already.

Colossus does not have a model. You are thinking of the Bombard.

The bombard and colossus are the same thing it just modelled on a leman russ chassis but it still has the chimera statline.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Well given that we're getting cards, maybe there's a "Primaris" order, and then you roll for other orders.

That sounds awful.

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
*edit* Ninja'd

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
The Griffon and Colossus both have models already.

By that argument why did they make a plastic Hydra?

Because it's a Dark Elves classic....

So he has a sense of humour. Incredible.

 warboss wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
It might be somewhere in between the two, like the Imperial Knight Limited Edition was with art prints.

I didn't know about the knight titan art prints. I'd still say that for me it isn't worth it but it is an improvement over just a jacket.

Yeah, well limited editions tend to be crap no matter what medium you're looking at.

 Bull0 wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Every time I see one of those up on the swap shop or bartertown I cross my fingers that the person selling gets no more than $5-10 over the cost of the normal codex.

Seems kind of needlessly bitter.

Agreed...but if people didn't instantly scoop up overpriced crap LEs (a significant portion going to people with little interest other than to resell at even more ridiculous prices) then GW might come out with ones that actually give you $50 worth of stuff.

How would that actually stop the resellers?

If anything, it would encourage them even more.

I think it was written somewhere that the MT codex orders would be different form the ones in AM.

And, where the beeeep are the plastic comissar squad rumoured by 40k radio ?

New orders sound ok but as previously mentioned the reall useful ones were always Bring it Down, Get back in the Fight and Fire on my Order I'd really miss those..

Nice to start seeing some actual rumours (for actual Guard) finally too.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I think it was written somewhere that the MT codex orders would be different form the ones in AM.

Not necessarily "different", but there are specifically mentioned "6 unique orders in the Militarum Tempestus Codex which can only be used by Tempestor Primes in a Militarum Tempestus detachment".

And, where the beeeep are the plastic comissar squad rumoured by 40k radio ?

They might not be happening? Who knows at this point.


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 RandyMcStab wrote:
New orders sound ok but as previously mentioned the reall useful ones were always Bring it Down, Get back in the Fight and Fire on my Order I'd really miss those..

So far, most of the Orders we've had described were Junior Officer orders...

 Kanluwen wrote:
Colossus does not have a model. You are thinking of the Bombard.

Nope. IA1 changes the Bombard to the Colossus Bombard, with the exact same rules as the codex one. The Leman Russ hull is purely an aesthetic difference.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
By that argument why did they make a plastic Hydra?

Because the current Hydra suffers from major casting problems and is long overdue for replacement. The barrels are always badly warped, and the entire gun section has all of its straight lines turned into a wavy mess.

Also, the post you quoted was in response to the idea of removing the Griffon and Colossus because they "don't have a model", not a suggestion that the Griffon or Colossus might get new models.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Colossus does not have a model. You are thinking of the Bombard.

Nope. IA1 changes the Bombard to the Colossus Bombard, with the exact same rules as the codex one. The Leman Russ hull is purely an aesthetic difference.

Hadn't read the new IA1, so that's good to know.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well given that we're getting cards, maybe there's a "Primaris" order, and then you roll for other orders.




That sounds awful.

God I hope that isn't true. I hope the are reference cards. I am PRAYING they are reference cards.

schadenfreude wrote:

"Forwards for the Emperor" After shooting, ordered unit must run even if they can't normally
The name is ironic because most of the time the run will be away from the unit that was shot. Also RAW guardsmen can pick up an earthshaker carriage and run with it. Who needs a trojan lolz.

"Hup hup hup hup!"

"Suppressive Fire" Ordered unit's weapons have the pinning rule
If PBS and weaken resolver are still in this order will be awesome.

I really hope the PBS gets to stay. I am thinking they might do well in the Taurox, as mobility is an issue while lack of fire points isn't.

Also, with the stats for the Wyrvn, I am HOPING that someone got the stats wrong and it has a large blast. Would go a long way to fixing it.

I am also hoping that it doesn't make the griffin, or any other artillery variant, go away.

Ravenous D wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
"48" S4 AP6 heavy 2, barrage, blast, ignores cover, shred"



Such pointlessness! Much redundancy. Very dumb.

More so when there is things like the eradicator that is S6 ap3 ignores cover.

The Eradicator is only AP4, it's the Colossus that's AP3.

But yeah, Wyvern sounds terrible. It's only redeeming feature seems to be that a unit of 3 will add 9 HP your opponent has to deal with. So next to an IK, some Leman Russes, some Chimeras and some other Artillery, the Wyvern squadron will probably be ignored.

As I expected, I'm starting to get disappointed. I hope they make kits for the artillery tanks and haven't nerfed the hell out of all our tanks.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
The Griffon and Colossus both have models already.

By that argument why did they make a plastic Hydra?

The decision to make a completely unknown tank may seem absurd, but I think it shows how GW relates with its subsidiary society Forgeworld, now. Years ago, GW studio copied some successful kits from FW, effectively "stealing" a part of their commercial line. Examples such as Piranha, Valkyrie, Trygon come to my mind. In fact, I have not seen recent examples. It seems plausible that they have found a gentlemen's agreement, and GW no longer takes models away from FW line.


On the other hand, Hydra being one of the oldest Forgeworld kits, it may have warranted an exception. A kit which shared many parts with now OOP Manticore. Both outdated kits with not so sharp detail (among other issues). It has taken GW two years, after 5th ed. codex to release the Manticore kit, but now it is part of the regular IG armoury. Here comes the turn of its " brother " model. Notice that Manticore box, so as Hydra box, now have both exclusive secondary counterparts, nowhere to be found in FW "Imperial armour" line : Deathstrike and Wyvern.


We will see soon if this separation removes "FW tanks" from Astra Militarum codex.
It would not surprise me.

Wouldn't surprise me either. RIP Griffon, Medusa and Bombard.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
But yeah, Wyvern sounds terrible. It's only redeeming feature seems to be that a unit of 3 will add 9 HP your opponent has to deal with. So next to an IK, some Leman Russes, some Chimeras and some other Artillery, the Wyvern squadron will probably be ignored.

Don't you mean that it adds 9 HP your opponent doesn't have to deal with? Unless you're planning on using them as ablative armour for your other, better tanks, of course.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Wouldn't surprise me either. RIP Griffon, Medusa and Bombard.

The nice part would be they are still in the IA:1 book. So might be able to still take them, but would need an expansion.

I certainly hope this isn't the case though.

The new orders look cool if its true. We may have run shoot run now (which is a little crazy).

http://natfka.blogspot.co.nz/2014/03/take-aim-astra-militarum-orders.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+Faeit212+%28Faeit+212%29

If its been posted already, sorry.

More small things the Wyvern has going for it.

It's closed topped

It's small pie gun is not ordinance so it can fire both the main gun and a heavy bolter.

Given it's humble price tag I don't think it deserves as much flakk as it's receiving. Overall I think the rules for it are written well, and it's a well balanced unit. That being said I don't think it will be seen often because HS a very competitive force org slot that many IG players have already over filled with more tanks than they can field in 3 force org slots.

Overall I'm going to say it was a good idea because it's really just a couple of tiny bits added to a hydra kit, and people are going to buy hydra kits so they can build hydras.

 Happygrunt wrote:
The nice part would be they are still in the IA:1 book. So might be able to still take them, but would need an expansion.

I certainly hope this isn't the case though.

Of course the funny part will be coming against those TFG's who refuse to play against Forge World even though the Griffon uses the same rules that were in the Guard Codex up until a week before the game.

 schadenfreude wrote:
Given it's humble price tag I don't think it deserves as much flakk as it's receiving. Overall I think the rules for it are written well, and it's a well balanced unit. That being said I don't think it will be seen often because HS a very competitive force org slot that many IG players have already over filled with more tanks than they can field in 3 force org slots.

Three things:

1. We don't know how 'well' the rules are written yet, as none of us have seen them. It could be a badly worded contradictory entry.
2. It's a slightly better Mortar. I don't recall a Guard commander ever saying "Damn. I wish I had more Mortars, and I realy wish they took up Heavy Support slots!".
3. Points are not the great leveller. Wouldn't matter how cheap something was if it wasn't useful and/or competed for slots with something more useful. This thing appears to do both, so the unit is dead on arrival (from what we know of the rules).

 schadenfreude wrote:
Overall I'm going to say it was a good idea because it's really just a couple of tiny bits added to a hydra kit, and people are going to buy hydra kits so they can build hydras.

And they could've put in a three piece modular barrel. One piece = Medusa (large barrel), two piece = Griffon (medium barrel), three piece = Basilisk (long barrel). That would have solved so many issues.