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After reading the horus heresy novels and reading some discussions on the primarchs, I've learnt that Angron is quite dull... and angry. So I was wondering if there is any way of making Angron a little deeper, or at least giving him a better reason to be berserk. I would like to hear your thoughts.

He's crazy.
That's pretty much it.

I know that's all GW thought of, but in a perfect world, if his fluff were to get an overhaul, how would you change it?

Mr Nobody wrote:I know that's all GW thought of, but in a perfect world, if his fluff were to get an overhaul, how would you change it?

He is angry because of all of his friends die. He doesn't like his comrades dying. He thought the reat Crusade was worthless because it cost the lives of his friends. He kept flying into vengeful rages until he lost sight of why he wanted revenge and just killed for the killing and came to like it. Thus began his relatively short path down the road to Khorne.
That. In my view is pretty good. Better than GW's one anyway.

His origin needs to be explained. That's the main problem with the HH series. They don't explain the upbringings of the Primarchs which is often the most interesting part of their story.

Whenever I think of Angron, I just picture Kratos. Basically the same guy, but in power armour.

purplefood wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:I know that's all GW thought of, but in a perfect world, if his fluff were to get an overhaul, how would you change it?

He is angry because of all of his friends die. He doesn't like his comrades dying. He thought the reat Crusade was worthless because it cost the lives of his friends. He kept flying into vengeful rages until he lost sight of why he wanted revenge and just killed for the killing and came to like it. Thus began his relatively short path down the road to Khorne.
That. In my view is pretty good. Better than GW's one anyway.

Am I the only one who remembers the story as to why Angron is the way that he is?

The rulers of his homeworld took people, monkeyed around with their brains and made them fight each other. There is a reason that he behaves the way he does.

Monster Rain wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:I know that's all GW thought of, but in a perfect world, if his fluff were to get an overhaul, how would you change it?

He is angry because of all of his friends die. He doesn't like his comrades dying. He thought the reat Crusade was worthless because it cost the lives of his friends. He kept flying into vengeful rages until he lost sight of why he wanted revenge and just killed for the killing and came to like it. Thus began his relatively short path down the road to Khorne.
That. In my view is pretty good. Better than GW's one anyway.

Am I the only one who remembers the story as to why Angron is the way that he is?

The rulers of his homeworld took people, monkeyed around with their brains and made them fight each other. There is a reason that he behaves the way he does.

I know that but primarchs are supposed to be better than normal people. Angron just seem to weak minded to disobey his impulses.

purplefood wrote:I know that but primarchs are supposed to be better than normal people. Angron just seem to weak minded to disobey his impulses.

Isn't that why he's a bad guy? All of the Traitor Primarchs had character flaws, Angron's was just sort of the most unsubtle.

Monster Rain wrote:

purplefood wrote:I know that but primarchs are supposed to be better than normal people. Angron just seem to weak minded to disobey his impulses.

Isn't that why he's a bad guy? All of the Traitor Primarchs had character flaws, Angron's was just sort of the most unsubtle.

I suppose that's what makes it worse. A superhuman warrior who is meant to be above mankind in all ways turns simply because he can't stop and think for a few seconds...

Angron was Lobotomized to be the Hyperagressive killing machine he is today.

he then Lobotomized his entire legion.

I'm really enjoying the Dornian Heresy stuff on B&C, the stuff about Angron and the WE staying loyal was really good.
As for "official" fluff, the surgeries used to make berzerkers were first performed on Angron by the masters of his adopted world, Angron then passed it on to his sons in the legion. To date, true berzerkers are only produced by the WE legion (such as it is) and the Black Legion, due to the process being highly secret, and guarded. Not to say that Khornate followers can't go berzerk, they just can't be "Berzerkers" in the same sense as Angron and his legion.

I pictured him as being a vetnam veteran with PTSD, he was borne to kill, trained to kill, asked to kill, and he was forced to kill so much that the line between friend and foe began to blur. That would make for a good story line; the emperor takes his unstable son, lets his friends die and then throws him into war for a few centuries.

You have read the HH novels, yes? Isn't that exactly what happened?

True, but it would be nice to see how that changes him. so far the HH novels have done a great job of showing a two-dimensional character. Maybe there's plenty to expand on as is.

Mr Nobody wrote:I know that's all GW thought of, but in a perfect world, if his fluff were to get an overhaul, how would you change it?

Maybe something happened in his origin that shattered his sanity or caused a chain of events that led to his grip on reality and his impulses to fall apart. Or his brain was messed about with Like Monster Rain said.

Lexx wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:I know that's all GW thought of, but in a perfect world, if his fluff were to get an overhaul, how would you change it?

Maybe something happened in his origin that shattered his sanity or caused a chain of events that led to his grip on reality and his impulses to fall apart. Or his brain was messed about with Like Monster Rain said.

His brain was messed about with. That's actual fluff.

Yes, furthermore The Imperial Scientists offered to remove the Beserker implants but he refused.

purplefood wrote:

Lexx wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:I know that's all GW thought of, but in a perfect world, if his fluff were to get an overhaul, how would you change it?

Maybe something happened in his origin that shattered his sanity or caused a chain of events that led to his grip on reality and his impulses to fall apart. Or his brain was messed about with Like Monster Rain said.

His brain was messed about with. That's actual fluff.

Yes, he had parts of his brain cut off and I'm pretty sure had some stuff added in to make him more aggressive. The reason he liked the Emperor originally was because he fought alongside his warriors, unlike the "High Riders" on his home world who simply watched the fighting.

When the Emperor returned to Terra and left the Great Crusade, Angron lost a lot of his esteem for the Emperor and from there it was a short trip to Traitorville.

I think the seeds of Heresy were sown when The Emperor forcibly removed Angron from his world. Also IIRC it was during some climatic battle and his abduction caused the deaths of all his battle brothers.

Monster Rain wrote:

purplefood wrote:

Lexx wrote:

Mr Nobody wrote:I know that's all GW thought of, but in a perfect world, if his fluff were to get an overhaul, how would you change it?

Maybe something happened in his origin that shattered his sanity or caused a chain of events that led to his grip on reality and his impulses to fall apart. Or his brain was messed about with Like Monster Rain said.

His brain was messed about with. That's actual fluff.

Yes, he had parts of his brain cut off and I'm pretty sure had some stuff added in to make him more aggressive. The reason he liked the Emperor originally was because he fought alongside his warriors, unlike the "High Riders" on his home world who simply watched the fighting.

When the Emperor returned to Terra and left the Great Crusade, Angron lost a lot of his esteem for the Emperor and from there it was a short trip to Traitorville.

Ah well so all three of the above then. Poor Angron.

I guess that the bottom line is that I don't always find "uncomplicated" to necessarily be boring.

i think someone smashed his kitten and hes upset about that.....lol I can see Angron as a big softy for cuddly kitties and one day Dorn comes over and fists his kittens, and he loosed it.... IMO

Fisting someone's kitten is generally frowned upon, let alone someone who's gotten a Berserker Lobotomy.

kitten fisting. awesome.

If I recall correctly, the short story; After Desh'ea in the Horus Heresy novel Tales of Heresy. Makes it sound like not only does Angron have a severe anger issue do to his up bringing, the bezerker implants and the way the Emperor just teleported him out of his last stand. But he also seems to have severe survivors guilt due to all of his fellow Slave-Warriors being slaughtered by the Army the were standing up against while he got to live.

BrotherStynier wrote:If I recall correctly, the short story; After Desh'ea in the Horus Heresy novel Tales of Heresy. Makes it sound like not only does Angron have a severe anger issue do to his up bringing, the bezerker implants and the way the Emperor just teleported him out of his last stand. But he also seems to have severe survivors guilt due to all of his fellow Slave-Warriors being slaughtered by the Army the were standing up against while he got to live.

Oh yeah, that's right.

It was the eve of the great battle when he got taken away. Good call.

Monster Rain wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:If I recall correctly, the short story; After Desh'ea in the Horus Heresy novel Tales of Heresy. Makes it sound like not only does Angron have a severe anger issue do to his up bringing, the bezerker implants and the way the Emperor just teleported him out of his last stand. But he also seems to have severe survivors guilt due to all of his fellow Slave-Warriors being slaughtered by the Army the were standing up against while he got to live.

Oh yeah, that's right.

It was the eve of the great battle when he got taken away. Good call.

Sounds a lot less dull and two dimensional than the OP made out.

Lexx wrote:Sounds a lot less dull and two dimensional than the OP made out.

I agree with you.

Somewhat off topic but, Lion El Johnson's up-bringing is thoroughly explained in the Dark Angel novels.