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America has had a bad run in getting the world to come to it to host an international sporting event.

What's up with that, yo?

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/worldcup/story/world-cup-bid-usa-loses-2022-world-cup-bid-to-qatar

The United States lost its bid to host the 2022 World Cup today to Qatar in a stunning rebuke to the country that many had considered the front-runner to host the world’s grandest sporting event.

Qatar, which has never qualified for the competition, becomes the first Middle Eastern Arab nation to host the World Cup, and signals FIFA’s desire to engage the Muslim world. Qatar, with just 1.7m inhabitants, will also become the smallest nation ever to host a World Cup.

The choice also puts an emphatic capstone on the legacy of FIFA President Sepp Blatter, who has taken the Cup around the planet in an effort to broaden the game’s social and political legacy.

In addition, Russia was chosen today to host the 2018 World Cup, giving a huge boost to the post-Soviet state as it looks to cement its place in modern Europe. Russia were the favorites to win the Cup after England’s bid was derailed by a series of missteps, including the removal of bid leader Lord Triesman earlier this year after he made unfounded allegations about two other bidding nations.

The World Cup award process was not a smooth one: The run up to the vote was marred by a series of high-profile corruption scandals, one of which saw two voting members suspended by FIFA last month, and repeated accusations of collusion among bidding nations. Today’s vote may be seen by many cynics as a confirmation of those allegations: Qatar and Russia had both been repeatedly accused of improper actions.

American bid leaders had been circumspect about their chances in recent days, perhaps sensing that FIFA’s voters were not lining up behind their bid. The decision may reflect the United States’ diminished standing in the world, for an internal study conducted by FIFA showed that the USA would produce the wealthiest and most successful tournament of all the campaigners.

It was the second high-profile sporting defeat in a fourteen month span for the USA: Another supposed front-runner, Chicago, was eliminated in the first round of voting for the 2016 Olympic Games last October. That event went to Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.

Qatar’s bid was one of the most audacious proposals submitted, and steadily moved from being a dark horse to pre-vote favorites despite being classified as “high risk” by FIFA’s own inspectors. The country has proposed air conditioning every stadium, building a massive amount of World Cup-specific infrastructure, then donating everything to poorer countries after the Cup concludes. While there were serious hesitations about the country’s weather, where temperatures exceed 110ºF in the summer, FIFA’s voters were clearly willing to look past that, seeing instead the potential social impact of the Cup.

Qatar, which despite its enormous wealth, is still a largely closed society, and its rulers are gambling that the Cup can do for it what 2002 did for South Korea. At that event, the Korean public were forced to interact with a world they had deep misgivings about, and the result was a rousing success.

FIFA also sees the tremendous growth potential of the Muslim world, and properly recognized that soccer must engage it. The sport is by far and away the most popular in the Arab world, but the grassroots development of the sport has lagged far behind. Today’s announcement is sure to change that.

For the USA, failure to win should mean some serious soul-searching. U.S. Soccer had spent a great deal of political capital on the bid, and its leadership must now confront the reality that while American money is increasingly flowing into the world game, the organization’s clout in FIFA halls has not kept pace.

Furthermore, today's vote signals a long, long wait for an American World Cup. China is already tabbed as the front-runner to host in 2026 and the tournament would be expected back in Europe for 2030. There is no timeline for those decisions.

For Blatter, however, Thursday may have completed what has proved to a remarkable career. Despite the very real troubles in his organization, the former general secretary-turned-FIFA President has also championed the women's game, delivered an African World Cup and now leaves with two more grand ventures that would have been inconceivable even ten years ago.

Jamie Trecker is a senior writer for FoxSoccer.com covering international football.

   
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Good, we didn't want poverty ball here anyways.

Why don't people like us?!?!

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I especially like how the article implies America has a diminished international standing.

Only Republicans/FOXnews have been adamant about this during the Obama presidency. Nothing was really said/brushed underneath the carpet when Bush's heavy handed diplomacy also hurt the US.

But then again, did we have any major Int'l sporting events come to America during that time (Bush presidency)?

   
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Don't feel bad, we lost to a totally inferior bid, too. Russia? What a joke.

FIFA seems to have this thing about awarding the competition to gak-hole countries, which is a shame because an England World Cup would have been probably the best one yet. A USA one would have been great too (though you folks last had it in '94, which isn't exactly a million years ago!) - I mean, Qatar?

QATAR?!!?!

What the feth were they thinking?

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I will lol if/when Qatar is unable to follow up on their promises.


Also, I imagine Qatar will raise hell over any homosexual competitors given its Islam-based laws.

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As long as they ban those stupid vuvuzela horns, I'm fine with that.



And while we're banning things from stadiums, air horns should not be allowed, either. I swear I sit within 2 rows of some jackass with one of these everytime I go to a game.


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Albatross wrote:Don't feel bad, we lost to a totally inferior bid, too. Russia? What a joke.

FIFA seems to have this thing about awarding the competition to gak-hole countries, which is a shame because an England World Cup would have been probably the best one yet. A USA one would have been great too (though you folks last had it in '94, which isn't exactly a million years ago!) - I mean, Qatar?

QATAR?!!?!

What the feth were they thinking?


Not just Qatar, Qatar in July. The mean temperature in 96F/36C and peaks at 120F/49C. There wont be any players left after they have all collapsed form heat exhaustion.

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The game is dying of cancer, if you arent willing to send the FIFA execs hookers and suitcases full of money, you dont get jack. And this isnt just some bitterness speaking, this is documented evidence, have you seen the hidden footage they obtained? FIFA is almost as corrupt as the mafia.

Think Russia and Qatar have scruples about that type of thing? The FIFA execs would be getting gobbled before they got off the runway!

USA/UK wont host jack because they have scruples about hiring prostitutes to fellate foreign officials.

I have lost more and more interest in sports the older i get, i think im ready to give up altogether now. Its just flagwaving, idiotic Patritiosm and corruption starting at the top. Followed by endless advertising, overpaid nancy boys and whinging.

Im giving up on sports and devoting more time to drinking non advertised micro brews from small real ale distilleries.

Well.. unless Stella is a pound a pint...

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Hey, us Aussies not only failed to get 2022, we managed to get a whopping 1 vote in the first round. Despite spending $45 million on the bidding process (only the best hookers were used, presumably).

In the end though, I think FIFA looks to countries where they can grow the game, instead of places where the market is pretty much peaked. And then there's TV rights as well, you want it going into Europe live at a decent time. The rest is down to hookers and blow.

Seriously, we spent $45 million, including a really embaressing advert thing, that would have been cringe worthy in the 80s. And we don't even like soccer.

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Same as America- we have a crappy professional scene for soccer. Growth in the pre-major leagues is great; alot of kids play the sport.

But America is facing a greater challenge. It is as if all major international sports are ignoring America. At least, that is what FOXNews seems to be insinuating.

   
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I look at the bribes that FIFA are keeping
Still my Qatar gently weeps

 
   
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WarOne wrote:Same as America- we have a crappy professional scene for soccer. Growth in the pre-major leagues is great; alot of kids play the sport.

But America is facing a greater challenge. It is as if all major international sports are ignoring America. At least, that is what FOXNews seems to be insinuating.


Because you lost your Olympic bid, and now this? That seems a bit dramatic.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

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sebster wrote:
WarOne wrote:Same as America- we have a crappy professional scene for soccer. Growth in the pre-major leagues is great; alot of kids play the sport.

But America is facing a greater challenge. It is as if all major international sports are ignoring America. At least, that is what FOXNews seems to be insinuating.


Because you lost your Olympic bid, and now this? That seems a bit dramatic.


You'd be suprised how long the right wing holds onto a failure of the Obama administration/failures of America under the Obama administration and runs with it.

As it is, stories seeping into the media about America failing/falling behind China/in decline are present and the failure to bring one of the golden crowns of the soccer sport does not help.

Here is a liberal blog's take on it:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-favorito/time-for-the-us-to-fill-t_b_789575.html

It has been a bittersweet few years for international sport in the United States. For all the success of a Michael Phelps and an Apollo Ohno, there is the sting of baseball getting booted out of the summer Olympic Games or the disappointment in the rejection of Chicago 2016 or the lack of a host city for any Olympiad for the foreseeable future.

Success is always there for America, but it has not been the overwhelming and glowing success across the board of past years. However later this week many of those feelings can be exorcised when FIFA awards the 2022 World Cup to a host nation, of which the United States has been deemed the favorite.

So for the challenged times we are in, with all the distractions that people have in their everyday lives, why is this important and why is it any better now than when the U.S. last hosted the World in 1994?

First and foremost is the growth of Major League Soccer, not just as a professional sport but as a viable business entity since the last World Cup. While many professional sports dealt with contraction, collusion and shrinking profits, MLS in recent years held firm and in many ways grew as a viable international sports property. There was cost control, salary control, the deep pockets of a handful of visionary owners and an across the board desire to grow and mature slow and steady, thus avoiding the mercurial rises and falls of other sports properties looking to emerge in challenging times. The successful launch of growing brands, not just teams, in cities like Toronto, Philadelphia and Seattle set the bar high for any franchise launch in any sport in North America, with expansion cities in Montreal, Vancouver and Portland waiting in the wings to replicate those models. MLS has been a great litmus test for brand activation, seamlessly incorporating jersey sponsors into the sales process while finding ways for nontraditional brands to activate with a young and vibrant audience.

While many sports still look for ways to consistently engage a growing Hispanic audience, MLS made it a priority, always finding ways to speak directly to North America's fastest-growing demographic, a demo which already has a base understanding of the game from wherever they hail. While some other sports struggle to understand the proper way to use social media, MLS has found proper cost efficient ways to engage with their fans online, promoting a growing and engaging product to a growing audience that makes sense. They also took a big step into the world of fantasy sports, creating the first year-round game for that growing audience with industry leader Big Lead Sports.

The league has even found ways to address and find solutions for employment issues in various cities, founding the MLS National Sales Center, an academy to train and recruit front-office staffers at all levels. Students devise and expand ticket sales strategies, and work on sales campaigns on behalf of MLS, its clubs and its properties. It is a very unique in-house program that can probably be expanded away from sales and into other areas of sports business, creating a home grown, league certified and consistent talent pool for everything from groundskeepers to accountants if need be.

Then there is the biggest difference from the last time World Cup came a-knockin': The grassroots. Few sports have taken the painstaking road to cultivate young people and have them slowly and steadily become the passionate consumer that MLS has in the past decade plus. Young people who played the game now aspire to be its stars on its home turf, and have spent time studying and understanding its nuances, an element which did not exist at this mature level in 1994. Factor in the extensive brand building campaigns teams have done, the mix of the new immigrant who craves the game, and a good smattering of buzz from imported stars like David Beckham and Thierry Henry, and the casual and passionate fan base is stronger than ever. Also now in play more than ever is player development, and the ability for fans of the game to know and appreciate a higher level of professional play from Americans than existed a little over a decade ago. While the recently completed MLS Cup in Toronto lacked the star power to pull in good TV ratings, it did showcase some solid young American talent that down the line will also fortify the case for soccer on the professional level continuing to grow.

Will Thursday's announcement, if it is a positive one for the USA, change everything overnight? No.

There are still wide gaps in talent and salary levels between MLS and the rest of the world, and the top Americans showcased during the most recent World Cup returned to their clubs across Europe this summer and fall, slowing the exposure level (but not the enthusiasm) for the best American talent in the States. The long hinted move of the schedule from late summer, through winter and into early spring, like exists in other parts of the world at the top level, will also be a challenge but could also be a blessing for higher level talent development and affinity to MLS play by global fans of the sport. Sponsors who have engaged at the grassroots and on site have to continue to embrace the television product as well, not something that is easy to do for a game that still has its issues in the tube for the American casual fan.

There is also the issue that 2022 is not tomorrow. Its light years away for a public that needs and wants everything today. However it is a measuring stick to point to and a brand development number to take aim at, and it will be a cause for celebration.

The bottom line is that America loves the big stage, and there is no bigger stage than the World cup, no matter when it is. Who knows, if Thursday becomes a landmark day, maybe that re-opens the door for other world class events to return to the States, and helps boost an economy and a pride level that had been waning, but now thankfully may again be on the uptake.

A big event is always good for what ails you, so why not now and why not the World Cup? The stage is certainly set, let's see where the votes fall.

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Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I look at the bribes that FIFA are keeping
Still my Qatar gently weeps


Wow. That was sorta bad, mate.

Funny, but bad.

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Thing is, (and sing along if you know the words) you can't always get what you want.

You had it in '94, and you've had the Olympics more than anyone, by a long way. You should try being the rest of us, sometime.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

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sebster wrote:Thing is, (and sing along if you know the words) you can't always get what you want.

You had it in '94, and you've had the Olympics more than anyone, by a long way. You should try being the rest of us, sometime.


I don't know if America can handle being like the rest of the world, American exceptionalism and all.

   
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I know, it is lamentably just not good enough!
But play fair (Oh the FIFA references just roll off the tongue) biting satire is not my specialty.

Haven't seen the programme but the BBC current affairs programme "Panorama" investigated serious allegations of corruption at FIFA.
The Times also published such claims earlier this year.

Oh the irony of US disappointment given some of the discussions here in the summer

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I, personally, do not care one way or the other. We have had the olympics 7 times so far (summer and winter that is) plus a number of other international events.

If Qatar wants to spend the billions of oil dollars the US is paying them to air condition the desert, so be it. You know why? Cause they will be contracting western engineers and designers and paying them boatloads of cash to make them happen. I find this kinda funny in a way.

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The UK has the 2012 Olympics, The Ryder Cup and lots of other golf championships whilst the USA is also host to several major golf championships as well as several world shooting matches and a couple of sailing champs. And I haven't even been on Google yet for the rest.

Just because neither the US nor the UK got the football we get to see a bunch of moaning spoiled pansies banging on about it not being fair and how rubbish and hot it is in Qatar and how rubbish and corrupt it is in Russia!

I just love how people think that football is dying now that we are not getting the World Cup and that there's a lot of bad political press with the US to therefore they don't have any sporting events and how we don't use prostitutes as currency.

FFS look around you. It's the World Cup, there's a clue there in the title.

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WarOne wrote:I don't know if America can handle being like the rest of the world, American exceptionalism and all.


You might have to learn, because you're becoming less exceptional by the day.

“We may observe that the government in a civilized country is much more expensive than in a barbarous one; and when we say that one government is more expensive than another, it is the same as if we said that that one country is farther advanced in improvement than another. To say that the government is expensive and the people not oppressed is to say that the people are rich.”

Adam Smith, who must have been some kind of leftie or something. 
   
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Where do you think America and England are?
ffs on the moon?

Don't care if it went to Qatar and Russia either.
but for an organisation that bangs on about "Fair Play"
back handers ought not come into the equation.

 
   
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USA just recently had one and from what I gather, its unprecedented to have another so soon, despite the USA hosting the most profitable World Cup in its history, as well as having the most diverse fanbase of any participating nation(depsite its relative unpopularity here). FIFA wants to spread the love, in this case, spread the love to the Muslim world, which is uniformly rabid fans of soccer. I don't think its a snub at all to the US or an indication of its world standing.

I think people are making a big deal out of it because we didn't win. No one would've cared nearly as much about this if we did win the bid. Fox just needs to be doom and gloom.

Soccer just isn't a major sport in the US, and never will be. I played it as a child and we all thought that it would be as popular as baseball and football when we grew up. In all those years, it just seemed to hover in stasis as a fringe sport here in the states. When US teams do good they get coverage and hype, when they get knocked out, the channel changes back to an archetypical american sport or some crap reality tv show. Same with the Olympics.

Lebron James returning to Cleveland to play against them got more coverage and hype from the sports media then this.

I'm eager to see if the somewhat outlandish promises of Quatar are upheld and how much the bill would be to fulfill them. If oil prices spike up around the time they host, we'll know why, so don't blame the president in 2022! (It'll be Jeb Bush, continuing the Bush Dynasty! My psychic told me!)

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Australia has been acting very butt hurt today.
And England are sticking it to us in the Ashes. Which is much much worse.

Be glad you didnt get the big waste of money. FIFA clearly prefers autocratic countries where they can get a blank cheque.

   
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The real question is, will fans be allowed to DRINK those wonderful brews Mattrym talked about in Qatar? Because Football without beer is a mortal sin.

Of course, 4 years later, it'll be in Russia so we can all make up for it then.

 
   
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Qatar 2022 will be interesting if Israel qualify.

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reds8n wrote: Qatar 2022 will be interesting if Israel qualify.


This is true. It would be very interesting if they went on to win.


Also, apparently votes were promised to England that should of ensured their victory in the bid.

England already has a hat-load of stadiums, so nothing new would have needed to be built. We could of even re-used the olympic stadium. Silly FIFA. I think that making a country have to wait decades to re-host the world cup is ridiculous, considering how popular it is over here.

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Awww, poor America.

Just have a football world series instead.

   
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Albatross wrote:Don't feel bad, we lost to a totally inferior bid, too. Russia? What a joke.

FIFA seems to have this thing about awarding the competition to gak-hole countries, which is a shame because an England World Cup would have been probably the best one yet. A USA one would have been great too (though you folks last had it in '94, which isn't exactly a million years ago!) - I mean, Qatar?

QATAR?!!?!

What the feth were they thinking?

Good. If private business can't do it, I shouldn't have to pay for it.
Wait, Qatar. Anyone tell them is ing HOT in QATAR? You're all going to dieeeeeee!!!!



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Melissia wrote:I will lol if/when Qatar is unable to follow up on their promises.


Also, I imagine Qatar will raise hell over any homosexual competitors given its Islam-based laws.

And no booze. NO BOOZE!!!

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If only we'd known they were looking for an arctic wasteland with a useless transport system and institutional racism for the World Cup.

We could've put in a joint bid with Scotland.

FIFA blamed Panorama for the 2018 World Cup bid failure.
FIFA says: "England crossed the line".

Ohhh you fething noticed that one this time did you ?

North Korean News - North Korea to host the 2020 world cup

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If only we'd known they were looking for an arctic wasteland with a useless transport system and institutional racism for the World Cup.


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