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The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Yaraton wrote: Better yet, buy yourself a bottle of good whisky and try to have a drink when any Western propaganda news source says something good about Russia. This bottle will last you at least a hundred years.
But I think a mod should be called in this thread again since somebody obviously is trying to derail it, just like in the thread about ukranian Nazis and their US puppeteers, with idiotic comments about "trustworthiness of sources". I think the mod's suggestion was "post something of yours or shut the freak up". If only I could see the offender's posting...
Amusing, I'm sure the same could be said about Russian news sites about America and the west. It's almost like Russia and America are rivals, except that the Russians lost the Cold War decades ago.
I mean, I'm sure you were quite upset when the Russian backed Ukranian rebels shot down that civilian plane about a year ago, and there is no way that any Russian sources denied it, right?
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
I don't like him, but the guy has a point. Whenever someone posts a news article from Russian media, possibly relating to an incident which Western media has overlooked or ignored, people are quick to dismiss it outright because its Russian and therefore its automatically biased.
It'd be nice if people actually bothered to examine and refute the points and arguments made in the source article. Even the most blatantly biased sources get it right and tell the truth sometimes.
"Its Russian" is not a valid counter argument.
Its like an indirect form of ad hominem.
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I know that some of our members might not recall Falluja fondly, but it sounds like IS was trying to drag it down even further into the ninth level.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Whenever someone posts a news article from Russian media, possibly relating to an incident which Western media has overlooked or ignored, people are quick to dismiss it outright because its Russian and therefore its automatically biased.
He rarely posts anything but stuff from RT, which really is highly biased. I grant they get things right occasionally, but if you try and pick apart what's in it, he just screams at you for being a fascist.
UN's Ban Ki-moon admits threats resulted in Saudi-led coalition being removed from blacklist
UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has admitted that his decision to remove the Saudi-led coalition in Yemen from the organization's blacklist came after threats from a number of countries. Human rights groups are urging him to backtrack on the decision.
Ban said on Thursday that temporarily removing the coalition from the blacklist was "one of the most painful and difficult decisions I have had to make," and that it raised “the very real prospect that millions of other children would suffer grievously."
"Children already at risk in Palestine, South Sudan, Syria, Yemen and so many other places would fall further into despair," he told reporters.
The UN secretary-general added that "it is unacceptable for member states to exert undue pressure...scrutiny is a natural and necessary part of the work of the United Nations."
Ban did not specifically mention the Saudi-led coalition in his remarks.
It comes after a diplomatic source told Reuters on condition of anonymity that the UN was faced with “bullying, threats [and] pressure” from Riyadh, adding that it was “real blackmail.”
The source also said there was a threat of “clerics in Riyadh meeting to issue a fatwa against the UN, declaring it anti-Muslim, which would mean no contacts of OIC [Organisation of Islamic Cooperation] members, no relations, contributions, support, to any UN projects [or] programs.”
A fatwa is a legal opinion used in sharia law. In Saudi Arabia, they can only be issued by the group of top, government-appointed clerics and are sometimes commissioned by the ruling family to back up its political positions.
In addition, several diplomatic sources said the UN Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) would be hit especially hard if the blacklisting were upheld. Saudi Arabia was the fourth-biggest donor to the UNRWA last year, supplying it with nearly US$100 million.
However, the Saudi Arabian government denied on Thursday that it had threatened the UN, Al Arabiya reported.
Russian military denies Turkish claims it bombed civilian targets in Aleppo
The Russian Defense Ministry has denied allegations put forward by Turkey that Russia's Air Force conducted strikes on civilian infrastructure in the Syrian city of Aleppo this week.
The Russian military was not involved in any strikes on Aleppo on June 8 and 9, Defense Ministry spokesman, Major-General Igor Konashenkov said on Thursday.
"I'd like to remind [people] that none of the accusations previously put forward against Russia's Air Force has been proven by any evidence whatsoever. Moreover, all of them have been proven wrong by Russia's Defense Ministry with the use of objective control data, and then fast forgotten by our critics," the military official pointed out.
On Thursday, Turkey's Foreign Ministry accused Moscow of having conducted airstrikes on civilian targets in the Syrian city, including on mosques and hospital and school buildings.
The Defense Ministry also argued that a Russian center which monitors ceasefire violations in Syria, had registered several counts of Aleppo civilian neighborhoods being shelled over the past days. The attacks are being carried out by militants from various terrorist groups, who freely cross the Turkish-Syrian border, the official said.
"It's strange that such events remain without due attention from the Turkish Foreign Ministry," Konashenkov said.
Russia’s defense chief meets Iranian, Syrian counterparts during Teheran visit
Russia’s defense minister held a series of meetings with his Syrian and Iranian counterparts in Tehran to discuss counter-terrorism activities and security initiatives that would prevent jihadists from conducting wider operations in the region.
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Islamic State, Russian anti-terror op in Syria, Syria unrest
In trilateral consultations with Syrian Defense Minister Fahd Jassem Freij and Iran's Hossein Dehghan, Sergey Shoigu discussed priority measures to strengthen cooperation in the fight against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) and Jabhat al-Nusra terrorist groups, the Russian Defense Ministry said.
According to Iranian state television, which quoted Dehghan, the three ministers agreed to conduct “decisive” war against “all terrorist groups.” At the same time, the trio also agreed that a “comprehensive ceasefire” and humanitarian aids is vital in establishing firm peace in Syria
Unlike west Russia are not tiring one hand behind there back. Cluster, thermobaric, incendiary. Whatever is tactically needed.
And if against pure military targets I see no issues. Military weapon vs a military target.
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Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Why is the post by Crazyterran still up despite the warning to stay on topic my a moderator on the previous page and my complain about it? Or is this a case of all members of the forum being equal but some more equal than others? Disgusting. It surely shows why there are in Syria terrorists and "moderate terrorists" - apparently it's a cultural thing, juts like calling Russians an ethnic slur "Russkies" on this forum.
Crazyterran wrote: Amusing, I'm sure the same could be said about Russian news sites about America and the west. It's almost like Russia and America are rivals, except that the Russians lost the Cold War decades ago.
I wasn't aware that "Russians lost the Cold War". Was there a NATO Victory Parade in Moscow? The only parade I am well aware of was when the troops of the united Nazi Europe (a predecessor of NATO) marched as prisoners of war in 1945.
I mean, I'm sure you were quite upset when the Russian backed Ukranian rebels shot down that civilian plane about a year ago, and there is no way that any Russian sources denied it, right?
And you know that "Russian backed Ukranian rebels shot down that civilian plane about a year ago" because you saw in the news "Waaaaah! Putin killed my son! Waaaah"? or you have a deeper and more secret knowledge that no one else does? The latest I've heard from the investigation committee, is that "the aircraft could've been shot by mistake". Now, why would they, who have been "investigating" for two years now say that? By the way, did you also know, that this committee "investigates" in ukraine, a country that is not exactly neutral in this accident?
Yaraton wrote: Why is the post by Crazyterran still up despite the warning to stay on topic my a moderator on the previous page and my complain about it? Or is this a case of all members of the forum being equal but some more equal than others? Disgusting. It surely shows why there are in Syria terrorists and "moderate terrorists" - apparently it's a cultural thing, juts like calling Russians an ethnic slur "Russkies" on this forum.
motyak wrote: His posts weren't particularly off topic, more a moment of on topic levity. And since you aren't a mod, a post lecturing other users on how to post is hardly appropriate.
If any user wishes to talk about this they can feel free to PM me
You should be talking to Motyak about this, not ranting publicly.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Whenever someone posts a news article from Russian media, possibly relating to an incident which Western media has overlooked or ignored, people are quick to dismiss it outright because its Russian and therefore its automatically biased.
He rarely posts anything but stuff from RT, which really is highly biased. I grant they get things right occasionally, but if you try and pick apart what's in it, he just screams at you for being a fascist.
Oh, I understand that, he called me an "anti-Russian bigot" in the Ukraine thread when I criticised his remarks about wanting Ukrainian politicians to be hung from the walls of the Kremlin, despite the fact that I was largely on Russia's side in the debate.
But its not for his benefit. Let him rant.
Picking apart the arguments and sources that he puts forward is for the benefit of (potentially) neutral bystanders in this thread who you might persuade with a reasonable logical counter agument rebutting his argument. "LOL I'm not reading RT because its Russian and biased" is not a counter argument. If Yaraton makes an argument and backs it up with sources (even biased ones like RT), but you refuse to rebut it because RT, then he wins by default and you just look bad.
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Yaraton wrote: - apparently it's a cultural thing, juts like calling Russians an ethnic slur "Russkies" on this forum
"Russky" is actually the Russian word for an ethnic Russian, so I don't really see how it is an ethnic slur. Being 50% ethnically Russian, I do not find it insulting in any way. There is much more insulting ethnic slurs for Russians. It is just like calling Americans "Yanks". I don't think Americans consider that offensive either.
Crazyterran wrote: Amusing, I'm sure the same could be said about Russian news sites about America and the west. It's almost like Russia and America are rivals, except that the Russians lost the Cold War decades ago.
I wasn't aware that "Russians lost the Cold War". Was there a NATO Victory Parade in Moscow? The only parade I am well aware of was when the troops of the united Nazi Europe (a predecessor of NATO) marched as prisoners of war in 1945.
Cut the Americans some slack, Yaraton. They have not won any war since 1945. They need to feel good about themselves every now and then too
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You should be talking to Motyak about this, not ranting publicly.
I've flagged the post about six hours ago. There were plenty of moderators here during this time and none of them decided to take action. Motyak is not 24/7 on the forum.
"Russky" is actually the Russian word for an ethnic Russian, so I don't really see how it is an ethnic slur. Being 50% ethnically Russian, I do not find it insulting in any way. There is much more insulting ethnic slurs for Russians. It is just like calling Americans "Yanks". I don't think Americans consider that offensive either.
Yeah, I am pretty sure this how they look at word "[see forum posting rules]" too. After all, there are Nigeria and Niger in Africa.
Cut the Americans some slack, Yaraton. They have not won any war since 1945. They need to feel good about themselves every now and then too
I prefer my enemies dead and silent. The history of Russia taught me that leaving your enemies alive my cause problems in the future.
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You should be talking to Motyak about this, not ranting publicly.
I've flagged the post about six hours ago. There were plenty of moderators here during this time and none of them decided to take action. Motyak is not 24/7 on the forum.
But they did "take action", just not the action you wanted. Motyak ruled that your complaint had no merit and he gave a specific order that anyone wishing to discuss it should PM him.
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Iron_Captain wrote:
Cut the Americans some slack, Yaraton. They have not won any war since 1945. They need to feel good about themselves every now and then too
I seem to recall they stomped on Panama pretty well.
Yaraton wrote:
I've flagged the post about six hours ago. There were plenty of moderators here during this time and none of them decided to take action. Motyak is not 24/7 on the forum.
Yaraton, you should thank the mods for being so tolerant. If they enforced the rules as heavily as you seem to think they should, you'd have been packed off to the labor camp of 'lifetime ban' a long time ago.
Yaraton wrote:
Yeah, I am pretty sure this how they look at word *Filtered by Forum Software* too. After all, there are Nigeria and Niger in Africa.
Well, actually the term does not come from either of those, though they all had the same root, the word "niger', which is Latin for 'black'. It's a false comparison. It's like claiming that calling someone a mexicano is slur. it CAN be, but is not by default. believe me, I know the ethnic slurs against Russians (and Poles and Hungarians and pretty much all of Europe) in English, and, no, I won't be posting them here.
Yaraton wrote:
I prefer my enemies dead and silent. The history of Russia taught me that leaving your enemies alive my cause problems in the future.
Should we consider that a suicide note? Since your greatest enemy is yourself, Yaraton.
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
I always take what is told to me by the media, with a good dose of salt.
Here is a video that explains my take on it. They,re talking about Ukraine, but it applies everywhere.
Long video so get a drink ETC.
Its hard to be awesome, when your playing with little plastic men. Welcome to Fantasy 40k
If you think your important, in the great scheme of things. Do the water test.
Put your hands in a bucket of warm water,
then pull them out fast. The size of the hole shows how important you are.
I think we should roll some dice, to see if we should roll some dice, To decide if all this dice rolling is good for the game.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
He reported me, then essentially went on a rant about how the mods are evil. That is pretty good.
I mean, I was mostly joking about how someone was complaining about one sides propaganda doing something when his sides (that he defends and quotes from) propaganda does the exact same thing.
And Russkie is as much a slur as calling someone a Yankee, or a Canuck. As in, not at all.
And calling me an American is just cruel. There's no need for that, anyone can see by my Canadian flag which country I come from. (Though I guess technically I'm North American...) (and, for my American friends, I am just teasing In a brotherly way!)
Which is why it aggravates me that Yaraton has a Canadian flag, so either he is living in Canada and enjoying the Western life while ranting about the West, or has some really screwed up internet connections.
And I don't know how one accidentally shoots down a passenger plane, considering a passenger plane looks pretty different than military craft. It doesn't change the fact that the plane was shot down by Russian backed Seperatists, and then any criminal investigation was vetoed by the Russians in the UN.
For current events, I Respect that Russia is one of the few countries whom are willing to take off the kid gloves when handling ISIS, and I can understand why they want to break the backs of the more moderate (US leaning) rebels in Syeua. I don't have to like that they are reinstating a vile, despicable human being into power, but every major country has done awful things to maintain their influence in an area. It's not good, and shouldn't still be a thing, but understandable.
Of course, there is nothing stopping the Russians from arranging an accident for him down the road, and putting someone in his place that doesn't have the bad rep that he does. As long as they stay under Russia's thumb, of course.
warboss wrote: Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.
To be fair. Putin has a back bone, has strength and will not go so softly softly on enemies.
If job to be done. He will achieve that job by one way or another. It may not be pretty or media friendly but weill be done.
If IS hit Russia, and killed Russians at home. They might as well comit suicide now. It would be easier.
Sgt. Vanden - OOC Hey, that was your doing. I didn't choose to fly in the "Dongerprise'.
"May the odds be ever in your favour"
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
I have no clue how Dakka's moderation work. I expect it involves throwing a lot of d100 and looking at many random tables.
FudgeDumper - It could be that you are just so uncomfortable with the idea of your chapters primarch having his way with a docile tyranid spore cyst, that you must deny they have any feelings at all.
Crazyterran wrote: He reported me, then essentially went on a rant about how the mods are evil. That is pretty good.
Well I would rather deal with in uncivilized matter, but since we have rules here, I try to follow them. Apparently the rules are not for everyone and that prompted my angry post.
I mean, I was mostly joking about how someone was complaining about one sides propaganda doing something when his sides (that he defends and quotes from) propaganda does the exact same thing.
Oh year? Prove it with facts.
Don't bypass the language filter or use language like this on Dakka. Reds8n
And calling me an American is just cruel. There's no need for that, anyone can see by my Canadian flag which country I come from. (Though I guess technically I'm North American...) (and, for my American friends, I am just teasing In a brotherly way!)
Iron_Captain made this mistake, I just replied to his question.
Which is why it aggravates me that Yaraton has a Canadian flag, so either he is living in Canada and enjoying the Western life while ranting about the West, or has some really screwed up internet connections.
I am a Canadian citizen. I served in the Canadian Armed Forces and I have a higher security clearance than an average Canada-borne person. I did my share of serving Canada so bite me.
And I don't know how one accidentally shoots down a passenger plane, considering a passenger plane looks pretty different than military craft. It doesn't change the fact that the plane was shot down by Russian backed Seperatists, and then any criminal investigation was vetoed by the Russians in the UN.
Very simple. First you get 5 billion dollars (only officially) from CIA and prepare for at least two years to overthrow a president which dares to be non-nationalistic. Then you overthrow the legally elected president and start hunting down anyone who opposes you even slightly meanwhile installing neo-Nazi and ultra-nationalistic values state-wide. If any region dares to oppose this (ukraine is an artificial country, created by the communists and does have a lot of population who are 1) Russia 2) don't like neo-Nazi values 3) don't like to lick American boots) the military Junta shells indiscriminately with the long range artillery, tanks, MLRs and bombs with airplanes. When those, who oppose Junta shot down a bunch of military airplanes and helicopters, Junta brings a civilian aircraft into the war zone, then shoots itself to blame the opposing side for "terrorism". The second airplane is shot the Western media prints "Waaah! Putin killed my son! Waaah!" Knowing pretty well that if Russian allows the investigation, the "neutral" investigators will find a way to blame Russia, Russia blocks the UN resolution. Sounds logical to me.
For current events, I Respect that Russia is one of the few countries whom are willing to take off the kid gloves when handling ISIS, and I can understand why they want to break the backs of the more moderate (US leaning) rebels in Syeua. I don't have to like that they are reinstating a vile, despicable human being into power, but every major country has done awful things to maintain their influence in an area. It's not good, and shouldn't still be a thing, but understandable.
If you want to talk about "a vile, despicable human being into power" go see Washington about Saudi Arabia. It's pretty useless to see Ottawa as they, no matter which political party is in power, keep their tongue deep inside Washington's arse.
Of course, there is nothing stopping the Russians from arranging an accident for him down the road, and putting someone in his place that doesn't have the bad rep that he does. As long as they stay under Russia's thumb, of course.
Year and Iran is in Syria because surely Moscow told them so. "Of course"
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jhe90 wrote: To be fair. Putin has a back bone, has strength and will not go so softly softly on enemies.
If job to be done. He will achieve that job by one way or another. It may not be pretty or media friendly but weill be done.
If IS hit Russia, and killed Russians at home. They might as well comit suicide now. It would be easier.
Russia got already hit by ISIS and that scum bag Putin did nothing besides yapping like he always does.
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Well it depends. Somehow "X" is found offensive, although it just describes a person of a X race.
If that's what you think I'm sorry to say that you're completely deluded. The oppression of black people, in the US and elsewhere, is a rather well-documented historical fact.
Further, considering how you just went on a little rant about how you follow the rules, you might be happy to know that circumventing the word filter is against the rules.
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For thirteen years I had a dog with fur the darkest black. For thirteen years he was my friend, oh how I want him back.
And I don't know how one accidentally shoots down a passenger plane, considering a passenger plane looks pretty different than military craft.
It is off topic for this thread so I don't want to start a discussion about it, but just for information. The seperatists were using a Buk missile launcher. Normally the Buk system comes with a whole setup of launch vehicles, radar and command vehicles and support vehicles. The seperatists however only had a launch vehicle. The launch vehicle can be fired on its own, but it is not really meant to be used that way and only has a very rudimentary radar and targetting system that would not have been able to distinguish military and civilian aircraft. The seperatists just did not think there would still be any civilian aircraft flying above an active, dangerous warzone (which just is a really slowed thing to do) and therefore assumed it was a military aircraft. They had no way to actually tell there was a civilian plane. And because of this and the fact that they had not intended to shoot down any civilians, it is an accident.
Crazyterran wrote: and then any criminal investigation was vetoed by the Russians in the UN.
And that is just not true. Russia has called for and agreed to a criminal investigation, it only vetoed the proposal that this should be handled by an international tribunal.
I blame the airline and whatever European governments or aerospace authorities that had the bright idea of permitting civilian flights over an active combat zone in which Military aircraft were being shot down.
Very simple. First you get 5 billion dollars (only officially) from CIA and prepare for at least two years to overthrow a president which dares to be non-nationalistic.
The CIA had nothing to do with that. The US State Department, over 20 years, starting in 1992, spent a total of 5 billion dollars in aid to the Ukraine. That pretty much covered every President the Ukraine ever had, as well as several US presidents and leaders of Russia.
And now back to our regularly schedualed topic:
In other IS news, the Libyan Army has retaken the port in Sirte from IS in the ongoing fighting against them in Libya.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: I blame the airline and whatever European governments or aerospace authorities that had the bright idea of permitting civilian flights over an active combat zone in which Military aircraft were being shot down.
It's actually a frighteningly common practice. The idea being that the IFF on the plane shields them from being shot down. In the event that something like a BUK, who's on-board systems, even in just the 3 component base unit (minimum required to engage a target), can sort out military IFFs compared to civilian ones. Or planes not broadcasting.
It was only an accident if you assume that the under-trained militiamen had no idea what the IFF signal meant. If you assume that certain reports matching missile components to the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Rocket Brigade of the Russian army are true, the whole thing goes out the window.
BTW: Now that Orlando has happened, I'd like an apology from certain people (you know who you are).
I called it. I said they could be fought over there, or they could be fought in the US.
You all called me a vicious Warmonger who only wanted American soldiers to die in some godforsaken hell.
And now a lot of American civilians are dead on US soil.
I don't like being right. It's a nasty tasting sort of vindication.
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