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**Penguinmasterofdoom**

I haven't used one yet, but I'm thinking about trying it out on my 5 Nob squad, tomorrow. Anyone have good/bad experiences with it? For only 15 points it seems like a good investment hands down. Thoughts?
Oh, and I'll be facing a CSM army. And he usually has at least 2 squads of Plague Marines, just so you know what i'm mostly up against.

**Grey Templar**

Well, it will make you hit those PMs on 3+ and any Khorne Zerkers will be on 4+ to hit you.

**Mannahnin**

It's a frickin' steal. Pretty much a mandatory upgrade. Not taking it is generally foolish.

**Shas'O Dorian**

Always worth it, never run without. As mannahnin said it's pretty much mandatory.

**kaiservonhugal**

Even with a bare minimum 3 nobs with choppas - they get 15 attacks on the charge - youre paying 1 point per attack to go from hitting on 4 to hitting on 3's. Very much worth the points.

**schadenfreude**

banner and a painboy is what makes nobs so nasty.

**Penguinmasterofdoom**

Yeah I've just made room for it. I dropped 3 of the Big Shootas I had attached to my Boyz. I'm running my Nobz as such:
5 Nobz - 100
Painboy- 30
5 CB - 25
2 PK - 50
Boss Pole - 5
Waaagh! Banner- 15
TL Shoota - 5

It comes out to 205, the TL shoota I would normally not run, but I came up to 995 points and just threw it on there to get an even 1000. I feel like I'm investing too many points into this 5 man squad. Should I drop a PK?

**tedurur**

I would get some BCs in there aswell...

**MasticatorDeelux**

Considering the points level, I'd say that it's on par. I'd even try to fit in another PK. You've got more CC 'punch' than that unit, correct?

**Claypool**

TL Shootas aren't really worth it. Combi-Skorchas are where it's at. They auto hit and wound MEQ's on 3+. Big Choppas would also be a good idea.

**The_Savior**

The Waaagh! Banner is a must for your Nob squad.

I would never go without one.

**Arakasi**

I've survived without one, but after a nasty run-in with an Avatar, it is on my list to make!

**Penguinmasterofdoom**

tedurur wrote:I would get some BCs in there aswell...

If I would I'd probably have to take off one of the PK's, so which one would be better?

MasticatorDeelux wrote:Considering the points level, I'd say that it's on par. I'd even try to fit in another PK. You've got more CC 'punch' than that unit, correct?

Yeah I have 2 squads of 20 boys with PK/BP Nobz as far as CC goes.

Claypool wrote:TL Shootas aren't really worth it. Combi-Skorchas are where it's at. They auto hit and wound MEQ's on 3+. Big Choppas would also be a good idea.

That's a good idea, I didn't realize that a Combi weapon was only 5 points also. And with a BS of 2, auto hits are going to be a must.

**Mannahnin**

Anything with a 4+ save or worse is absolutely wrecked by a combi-scorcha. Especially units trying to hide in cover, like SM scouts, Eldar pathfinders, etc. Good as gold.

**Shake Zoola**

Penguinmasterofdoom wrote:
Claypool wrote:TL Shootas aren't really worth it. Combi-Skorchas are where it's at. They auto hit and wound MEQ's on 3+. Big Choppas would also be a good idea.

That's a good idea, I didn't realize that a Combi weapon was only 5 points also. And with a BS of 2, auto hits are going to be a must.

Iv found combi rokkits can be useful for opportunity shots as well...especially if you include a few ammo runtz in your unit!