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I'm coming back to warhammer after a 5 year absence and since i have a whole heap of dark angels i have decided to model and paint a deathwing army.

while i'm planing the army a thought occurs: what do apothecarys and standard bearers do with their hands? as far as i can see the codex simply says that "one model may be standard bearer with the company standard and one may be given a narthicium/reductor (speeling) so is this in addition to their other weapons? or does it replace one other weapon?
I have plans for a standard bearer holding the standard in one hand and advancing with storm shield in front of him in the other and a thunder hammer slung on him somewhere. is that legal or does he have to lose either the hammer or shield? also with the apothecary does the narthicium/reductor replace anything or is it simply a case of model it on and he has got it? I was thinking of making the apothecary a sort of narthcium/reductor harness like a servo harness but with needles, syringes etc on arms coming over his head.

Any suggestions/ help?

The Apothecary has no problems. The Narthecium is his backpack, and the reductor is built into his gauntlet, leaving his hand free.

The standard bearer has the banner... but rulewise this has no effect on what he can carry.

Zenarius wrote:Iwhat do apothecarys and standard bearers do with their hands? as far as i can see the codex simply says that "one model may be standard bearer with the company standard and one may be given a narthicium/reductor (speeling) so is this in addition to their other weapons? or does it replace one other weapon?

If an option doesn't say it replaces something it usually doesn't, and models don't need to look like they could use everything. Many standard bearers are modelled holding up the banner with one or both hands, bolter slung over the shoulder - they can still shoot as the standard is just wargear. Same for Apothecaries, they simply have wargear with certain functions.

So i am correct in saying that the extra equipment for both models does not effect their standard equipment? As you say the Narthecium/reductor leaves both hands free and the standard bearer could be said to plant the banner, draw his hammer and cave in a few skulls?

Edit: i know that 40k is not the most realistic of settings but i'm just trying to make sure that neither model looks awkward and not likely to be able to function properly on the battlefield.

See the DA FAQ. The extra stuff has no affect on the rules, other then the rules they themself provide.

Zenarius wrote:So i am correct in saying that the extra equipment for both models does not effect their standard equipment? As you say the Narthecium/reductor leaves both hands free and the standard bearer could be said to plant the banner, draw his hammer and cave in a few skulls?

Edit: i know that 40k is not the most realistic of settings but i'm just trying to make sure that neither model looks awkward and not likely to be able to function properly on the battlefield.

You may want to go with a back-pack mounted banner for appearance's sake then.

My Deathwing Standard bearer is clutching his banner in one hand, the one with the Power Fist! I just drilled through his hand and into the model's base. Passed a heavy weight looking bit of brass tubing through and mounted the banner at the top of that. It gets carried by a Termi in the heat of battle, it's gotta be build Termi Tough(TM)!

Homer

Brother Trimanus had been awaiting this day for nearly a century. Decades of toil and battle, rising through the ranks in the face of persecution for what he was had brought him to his position as an esteemed member of the honor guard. And now finally, after his incredibly bravery during the Battle of Theridion Prime, one last honor was being bestowed upon him.
"This is the part I was born to play," he thought as the chapter master approached him, carrying aloft the most hallowed chapter standard. Trimanus stood at rapt attention, swelling with pride at the great honor he was about to receive. His ceremonial shield and hammer were held firm and never wavered. "Finally, my freakish abnormality has become a boon!"
The chapter master now stood before him, and offered up the flowing relic. Then Trimanus reached out with his third arm, sticking out from the front of his armored chest, and took hold of the banner.



Or yeah, y'know, use the backpack mounted standard. Either one works, rules-wise.

Zenarius wrote:...given a narthicium/reductor (speeling) so is this in addition...

Ha ha, I apologise wholeheartedly for my off-topic belly laugh, but it's just too ironic not to point
out the spelling mistake made whilst warning us of a potential spelling error!

If you meant it, kudos to you my friend...

This is the 41st Millenium! Having only 2 hands cannot impeed your ability to hold only multiple weaponry and wargear and still use it all!
There is also nothing in the BGB about any penalties regarding carrying many things. (except carrying two non-identical close combat special weapons and not getting the +1 attack for have 2 close combat weapons)

Take inspiration from Maugen Ra, The Pheonix lord who, only having two hands... incorperated a two-handed power weapon onto the end of his two-handed cannon.
You could always incorperate the storm shield into the banner itself... leaving the other hand free to swing out and crush things. Just be sure to point anything out that isn't obvious to your opponents. Even a backpack mounted banner might not seem to be a standard as in the good old days all marine sergeant types had a back banner (until they snapped off)

Worse yet. You can have a C:SM command squad member with a melta gun, a thunder hammer, a storm shield, a company banner AND riding a bike.
I don't want to think about how many arms he would need.

There's the guys who can get two pairs of lightning claws too, I think.

The storm shield banner actually sounds like a pretty cool idea too. Or maybe even have some sort of holy relic/icon that you "count-as" your chapter banner.

Yeah, the good 'ol Assault sarges. Swap a bolt pistol for a pair and then the chainsword for another one.
Too bad you aren't playing 'nids with their four arms...

Oscarius wrote:Worse yet. You can have a C:SM command squad member with a melta gun, a thunder hammer, a storm shield, a company banner AND riding a bike.
I don't want to think about how many arms he would need.

That's not enough overkill. He needs 2 thunder hammer's and melta bombs.

Nah, 2 melta guns are worse. Afterall, those were defined as 2-handed weapons.

So now we have a guy running around with two two-handed assault rifles akimbo, with a force shield strapped around one arm and a oversized banner around the other. All while steering a bike with his thighs.

Oscarius wrote:Worse yet. You can have a C:SM command squad member with a melta gun, a thunder hammer, a storm shield, a company banner AND riding a bike.
I don't want to think about how many arms he would need.

Zefig wrote:There's the guys who can get two pairs of lightning claws too, I think.

The storm shield banner actually sounds like a pretty cool idea too. Or maybe even have some sort of holy relic/icon that you "count-as" your chapter banner.

In C:SM's german version, each command squad veteran can exchange either weapon for a pair of LCs. So you get a guy with four lightning claws, a storm shield, the company banner and a bike. Assuming he can steer the bike one-handed, that means seven hands. I win!


And yeah, banner in the power fist hand looks ace imo, I think the old SW banner bearer actually does that, so it's kinda official. Apothecary carrying something in the reductor hand looks fine, too. After all, the banner bearer can just as well fight with the banner (being a major hero of the company, after all), and the apothecary can holster his pistol or clamp his bolter to the thigh when he needs to use the reductor, so it isn't even too far-fetched, methinks.

cheers for all the info folks (and yes the spelling mistake was intentshunal)

Having had a think about it I might try incorporating the banner into the thunder hammer. So imagine brother flagius wavius has a large two handed hammer that has an over sized haft between the head of the hammer and his right hand to acomodate the banner and a storm shield acting as a guard for the left hand lower down the handle.

Think i will start a modeling blog for this army once i get my modeling/painting desk sorted out.

Sounds like a cool idea, lookin forward to the blog.

I know this thread is clearly dead but can an apothecary carry a banner? In the new Ed, it does not specifically say I can't.

 Senortaco wrote:
I know this thread is clearly dead but can an apothecary carry a banner? In the new Ed, it does not specifically say I can't.

Once he becomes an Apothecary, he stops being a Marine in the squad. And anyway, do you really want him to attract more attention?

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