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Really? Don't you think NASA has better things to do than this?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/jan/05/nasa-2012-flawed-science-fiction

2012, Roland Emmerich's gleefully comprehensive demolition job disaster movie, has been named the most absurd science-fiction film ever by Nasa.

The film, which was released in 2009 to groans of guilty pleasure and the healthy ringing of cash registers (it took nearly $800m from a $200m budget), was deemed the silliest and most scientifically flawed film at a conference in California.

Set on 21 December 2012, the film tells the story of John Cusack and Amanda Peet's marital reconciliation, against the backdrop of the end of the world – an effect of mysterious neutrino particles that lay waste to the globe's top tourist attractions.

It was, said head of Nasa's Near Earth Asteroid Rendezvous mission Donald Yeomans, an "exceptional and extraordinary" example of Hollywood bad science. "The film-makers took advantage of public worries about the so-called end of the world as apparently predicted by the Mayans of Central America, whose calendar ends on December 21, 2012," Yeomans told newspaper the Australian.

Part of Nasa's gripe with the film, it emerged, was the mushrooming mailbags it had triggered. "The agency is getting so many questions from people terrified that the world is going to end in 2012 that we have had to put up a special website to challenge the myths. We have never had to do this before."

They also were unhappy with the use of neutrino particles, which in the film cause solar flares, earthquakes, hurricanes and tsunamis, but which in fact can't interact with physical substances.

The Day After Tomorrow (global warming, accelerated), The Sixth Day (insta-clones), Chain Reaction (bubble fusion), The Core (magnetic field trouble), What the Bleep Do We Know? (billed as a documentary) and Volcano (LA sprouts a volcano) were also singled out for their factual shortcomings. Armageddon – in which an asteroid the size of Texas is blown to bits to save our planet – was the most surprising inclusion on the damned list, as Nasa originally supported the film.

The agency had praise, however, for the attention to scientific accuracy exhibited in Gattaca (recruitment via DNA), Blade Runner, Metropolis and Jurassic Park.


   
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NASA did this because it's all true...everything we saw unfold in the film will actually happen in 2012,and the "experts" at NASA are simply trying to pacify us until the inevitable end comes...we are all doomed.


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Just started watching '2012' as I saw this thread, it's fate.

Seems quite absurd thus far, there's some kind of Indiana Jones style cave thing going on or something.

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2012 is cheesy inaccurate fun. It's also about a billion times more accurate than 'the Core'

 
   
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I suppose if NASA get bombarded with emails and letters from morons demanding to know if it is true, then I guess it is fair enough for them to post a webpage with a rebuttal.

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WarOne wrote:Really? Don't you think NASA has better things to do than this?



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Part of Nasa's gripe with the film, it emerged, was the mushrooming mailbags it had triggered. "The agency is getting so many questions from people terrified that the world is going to end in 2012 that we have had to put up a special website to challenge the myths. We have never had to do this before."


Nipping the mob mentality in the bud seems to be the reason, and one I would consider worthy.

Seriously, though, I have seen a lot of apathy lately from people online in regards to major domestic and world events because they are convinced "it doesn't matter" on account of the world ending in less than two years.
   
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Dumbest film I've seen in a while. My wife and I openly laughed at it. And it's not just for the science stuff. The characters, reactions and situations might be even more unrealistic.

Some of the deaths are also just ridiculous. My first reaction was that they had to be intended to be tongue-in-cheek, but they're played up SO seriously that I don't think they were.

I mean,
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Danny Glover, the POTUS, somehow survives outside the White House, stands up covered in ash, only to see a gargantuan tidal wave approaching. But no...that's not enough. Carried on that megawave is an AIRCRAFT CARRIER, which then gets deposited on Glover's head.

While they're at it, why stop there? Why not have the carrier's nuclear plant explode? Why not have everything swallowed up by the earth after that? Why not finish it all off with an asteroid collision? I mean, they have to clearly establish that the POTUS is dead, right?

On the other side of the death scale, why GEARS for the boyfriend? Fine, you want to clear him out to make room for Cusack. Can't he just fall or something? Why is he slowly ground into hamburger?

And the Russian chick's death was absolutely pointless. It contributed nothing to the plot, and she wasn't a sympathetic character anyway, so it's not like it added any pathos. She just drowns, just because.


The writers must have sat around having inane conversations like "Let's kill X by Y! Yeah, that's cool! And then..." Thank god it was a Redbox rental.

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DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Nipping the mob mentality in the bud seems to be the reason, and one I would consider worthy.


It would be fine... except that NASA should be trying to convince the government to give them more money:

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1012/21nasacr/

Unable to pass an annual spending bill in this legislative session, the U.S. Congress approved a temporary government funding measure Tuesday, cutting nearly $300 million from NASA's expected budget and potentially limiting action on new space exploration programs.

President Obama was expected to sign the continuing resolution late Tuesday, ensuring the government remains functioning before the current budget expires at midnight.

The temporary budget funds the federal government through March 4 near fiscal year 2010 levels. For NASA, that means an annual budget rate around $18.7 billion if the continuing resolution was extended through fiscal year 2011, which began Oct. 1 and runs for 12 months.

The continuing resolution came after Senate Republicans thwarted attempts by Democratic leaders to pass a full-year budget.

Federal funding beyond March 4 will be decided by the next Congress. Incoming Republican leadership in the House of Representatives has vowed to roll back discretionary spending to fiscal year 2008 levels, setting the stage for a budget battle in the opening weeks of the next Congress.

The legislation passed the Senate by a 79-16 vote Tuesday afternoon, and the House agreed to the continuing resolution several hours later.

The continuing resolution does not include amendments for NASA, meaning the space agency will receive roughly the same budget as in fiscal year 2010. It also does not explicitly direct NASA to commence development of a government-owned heavy-lift rocket and multi-purpose crew vehicle for space exploration missions.

The exploration programs were included in the NASA authorization act passed by Congress and signed into law by President Obama in October. But the authorization is only a budget blueprint, and specific funding levels must be decided in appropriations legislation.

Congress did not pass any full-year appropriations bills before recessing for the Christmas holiday, leaving NASA in limbo as agency officials attempt to overcome significant differences in the continuing resolution and the authorization act.

The authorization budget called for $19 billion for NASA in fiscal year 2011, upping cash for an extra space shuttle mission, commercial crew and cargo programs, and initiating a redesigned space exploration program.

Sen. Bill Nelson, a Florida Democrat, told NASA and Obama administration officials earlier this month that a multi-month continuing resolution should not add any major burdens to NASA's goals for the next year.

"If we just get a continuing resolution of fiscal year 2010, NASA's funding there is $18.7 billion," Nelson said in a hearing in early December, anticipating a continuing resolution similar to the measure passed Tuesday. "That is, in this context of this economic recession that we're in, $300 million less than a $19 billion authorization. That's 1.67 percent of the total authorization."

"That funding level for the next fiscal year will be right about at where it is in the authorization bill," said Sen. David Vitter, R-La., in the Dec. 1 hearing. "So this should be a simple task if we really all want to accomplish it. And so the proof will be in the pudding if it gets done."

The flat funding in the continuing resolution will also challenge NASA's efforts to address new costs on several programs, including the James Webb Space Telescope and an expanded Earth observation satellite system.

Another hurdle facing NASA is language carried over from last year's appropriations prohibiting the agency from terminating parts of the Constellation moon program or starting new efforts.

Officials are reviewing how best to proceed as the agency tries to reconcile the competing authorization and appropriations legislation.



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FITZZ wrote: NASA did this because it's all true...everything we saw unfold in the film will actually happen in 2012,and the "experts" at NASA are simply trying to pacify us until the inevitable end comes...we are all doomed.




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Start going into space chop chop rather than, as you have been doing.

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And acting as a movie critic.

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WarOne wrote:
DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Nipping the mob mentality in the bud seems to be the reason, and one I would consider worthy.


It would be fine... except that NASA should be trying to convince the government to give them more money:


No argument with that, but of course you're creating a false dichotomy. There's no reason they can't BOTH try to get some damn funding AND try to occasionally disabuse the public of utterly ridiculous misconceptions about science at the same time. Personally I'd say the latter is a reasonable use of some small percentage of their time.

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Mannahnin wrote:
No argument with that, but of course you're creating a false dichotomy. There's no reason they can't BOTH try to get some damn funding AND try to occasionally disabuse the public of utterly ridiculous misconceptions about science at the same time. Personally I'd say the latter is a reasonable use of some small percentage of their time.


I'd argue that trying to bring public awareness to said misconceptions is a very useful expenditure of public funds actually. I just wish the schools would catch on. I wish that Day After Tomorrow won though. That movie was stupid. Just outright stupid.

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Mannahnin wrote:
WarOne wrote:
DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Nipping the mob mentality in the bud seems to be the reason, and one I would consider worthy.


It would be fine... except that NASA should be trying to convince the government to give them more money:


No argument with that, but of course you're creating a false dichotomy. There's no reason they can't BOTH try to get some damn funding AND try to occasionally disabuse the public of utterly ridiculous misconceptions about science at the same time. Personally I'd say the latter is a reasonable use of some small percentage of their time.


Well, I would argue I can create a true dichotomy by showing the differences between a false dichotomy and a true dichotomy.

Thus not proving my point.

   
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I thought 'Capricorn One' would have been their most absurd movie.

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Mannahnin wrote:
WarOne wrote:
DarkTraveler777 wrote:
Nipping the mob mentality in the bud seems to be the reason, and one I would consider worthy.


It would be fine... except that NASA should be trying to convince the government to give them more money:


No argument with that, but of course you're creating a false dichotomy. There's no reason they can't BOTH try to get some damn funding AND try to occasionally disabuse the public of utterly ridiculous misconceptions about science at the same time. Personally I'd say the latter is a reasonable use of some small percentage of their time.


This is the whole point, Nasa isn't one person, it is a company. Do you know how bad scientists as a whole are at getting funding? the answer is very bad, this is were buisiness 'middle men' people come in.

So while they try getting more funding the scientists can go about being scientists, like designing rockets and new heat dissapating materials or showing that people shouldn't take a sci-fi film as fact (especially one that uses missleading and factually incorrect historical information as a preface).

One of NASA's missions is about education, and as shown by this post NASA are doing well at trying to educate.

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Seeing as Obama has chopped the space shuttles and half of the boffins has not much work on they are beginning to get involved in pointless nonsensicle bollocks just like the rest of us.

Next it will be Maxims top 100 ladies as voted for by NASA nerds.

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It is pointless to disabuse people of terrible, nonsensical ideas?

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Mannahnin wrote:It is pointless to disabuse people of terrible, nonsensical ideas?


Actually, it is pointful as it helps further non-triviality rather than promote triviality.

   
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Ie: The only cure for bad speech is good speech. You can't prevent people from saying ridiculous, absurd things, but you can say true things in response and try to correct the record.

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