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Has anyone that has placed in a major tournament this year and has been told that qualified for the Vegas Final GT actually received anything relating to this? By that I mean actually have something that they can hold in their hand with information on it.

The GW site mentioned a while back that these would be shipping in January. Just curious if anyone has theirs yet.

Nope.

I won mine back in March.

But then again, given the format for what the Golden Tickets are going to be used for, I haven't paid any attention to tracking it since I don't have any interest in going anymore.

No, I haven't gotten anything. I just keep waiting for some kind of annoucement to pop up here or on their site, simply so I can say, "meh."

Nada.

You all will be getting them sooner than later; the TO's were recently shown the finalized packet, as a prelude to give a heads up that it's on the way to ya'll.

I haven't gotten anything either and don't know if I even care to. I think I will go just to give it a shot, but the format sounds awful.

Maybe I should give the winner a spot in the NOVA Invitational to help GW even get people to attend?

Goes against your style/format though Mike. I'd say no personally but that's just me

And no, I haven't gotten mine yet but I'm half a country away from my mailing address.

I would suggest everyone give the ToS format a chance. We ran it for Ironman had 47 players out of 57 registered show up. The person won won overall was also the one of two people that won all 4 games the other person who won all 4 games came in second by the format. After the first game all games were paired by win loss ratio so the guys who placed at the top played good players all day.

Haven't recieved anything yet, though I don't think we'll get anything for a while.

Whats the deal with the format?

I hadn't heard...?

The winner is decided by who has the best win-loss ratio amongst all those playing within his codex, and by the highest margin. A possible scenario could occur where one player shows up and does reasonably well with an underused codex like Black Templar (3-2 while all others lose all games) and could beat people that go 5-0 in a more popular codex (if other players playing that codex have a good enough record).

The only thing I like about this is that placement is not decided by battlepoints, which allows armies that table opponents to place higher (IG, SW).

It is only like 5 months away. I cannot believe how dumb GW is about not releasing more information about this event. Especially when the event is like in the heart of the tournament season. They cannot expect people to just fly to Vagas on whim without advance notice format aside.

Fearspect wrote:The winner is decided by who has the best win-loss ratio amongst all those playing within his codex, and by the highest margin. A possible scenario could occur where one player shows up and does reasonably well with an underused codex like Black Templar (3-2 while all others lose all games) and could beat people that go 5-0 in a more popular codex (if other players playing that codex have a good enough record).

The only thing I like about this is that placement is not decided by battlepoints, which allows armies that table opponents to place higher (IG, SW).

Wow, thats just....

Yea OK it makes sense what people are now saying.

Thanks for cluing me in!

Fearspect wrote:The winner is decided by who has the best win-loss ratio amongst all those playing within his codex, and by the highest margin. A possible scenario could occur where one player shows up and does reasonably well with an underused codex like Black Templar (3-2 while all others lose all games) and could beat people that go 5-0 in a more popular codex (if other players playing that codex have a good enough record).

Also don't forget that favorite army votes (in which you pick your favorite army amongst the 3-5 people you played) are also part of that calculation both for best in army codex and best overall. So a win is worth 3 points, draw 1 and a loss is 0. If you get a vote you add 1 point to your win/draw point, two votes adds 3 points and three or more votes is 5. So max score for a 5 day tournament is 20 and a quarter of that is fav opponent votes. Granted getting 3 such votes should be difficult but still. If you happen to get 3 votes and your fellow army players do not then your margin just got that much greater. Or consider if you happen to play the same army as some amazing painter/converter(s) -- the average score is gonna jump higher and reduce the margin.

Its all theoretical though and depends a good deal on attendance and what people happen to bring. I'd be curious to see the numbers from the Iron Man to see how thing shook out in practice.

tastytaste wrote:It is only like 5 months away. I cannot believe how dumb GW is about not releasing more information about this event. Especially when the event is like in the heart of the tournament season. They cannot expect people to just fly to Vagas on whim without advance notice format aside.

Dates bee pretty much known for a couple of months. Rules for the UK ToS have been up for some time. They announced they'd tell people in January. TO's saw the letter that's going out. All last month they were working to make sure they had addresses and information on ticket winners. January isn't over.

Sort of looks like they are on schedule based on what they said. I'd wait a bit and not worry too much about it.

People fly to Vegas all the time on a whim, let alone have 5 months to plan.)

Heck right now I would be happy to know which events made it onto the circuit for this next season.

I will be there as an official doing something (more like last time seeing to the needs of others like getting drinks or food) least I will see you all at the tables or open tables.

winterman wrote:

Fearspect wrote:The winner is decided by who has the best win-loss ratio amongst all those playing within his codex, and by the highest margin. A possible scenario could occur where one player shows up and does reasonably well with an underused codex like Black Templar (3-2 while all others lose all games) and could beat people that go 5-0 in a more popular codex (if other players playing that codex have a good enough record).

Also don't forget that favorite army votes (in which you pick your favorite army amongst the 3-5 people you played) are also part of that calculation both for best in army codex and best overall. So a win is worth 3 points, draw 1 and a loss is 0. If you get a vote you add 1 point to your win/draw point, two votes adds 3 points and three or more votes is 5. So max score for a 5 day tournament is 20 and a quarter of that is fav opponent votes. Granted getting 3 such votes should be difficult but still. If you happen to get 3 votes and your fellow army players do not then your margin just got that much greater. Or consider if you happen to play the same army as some amazing painter/converter(s) -- the average score is gonna jump higher and reduce the margin.

Its all theoretical though and depends a good deal on attendance and what people happen to bring. I'd be curious to see the numbers from the Iron Man to see how thing shook out in practice.

The overall won all four games and got 1 player vote to give him 13 points(Space Marines) the best general won all 4 games for 12 points (Imperial Gaurd) The third highest margin of victory was a tau player that won 3 games and tied one the 4th place was a chaos player with the same record the 5th was Tyrannids with 3 wins and a loss in the final game 6-8th all had 9 points total so three wins and a loss.

Read the thread, does seem like GW is kinda on-time with this info still... I like to gripe about them as much as the next person, but I don't think this is due yet

Also... I wish these weren't called "golden tickets". Makes me think of out of shape gamers running into a chocolate factory... not good, not good at all.

vhwolf wrote:

winterman wrote:

Fearspect wrote:The winner is decided by who has the best win-loss ratio amongst all those playing within his codex, and by the highest margin. A possible scenario could occur where one player shows up and does reasonably well with an underused codex like Black Templar (3-2 while all others lose all games) and could beat people that go 5-0 in a more popular codex (if other players playing that codex have a good enough record).

Also don't forget that favorite army votes (in which you pick your favorite army amongst the 3-5 people you played) are also part of that calculation both for best in army codex and best overall. So a win is worth 3 points, draw 1 and a loss is 0. If you get a vote you add 1 point to your win/draw point, two votes adds 3 points and three or more votes is 5. So max score for a 5 day tournament is 20 and a quarter of that is fav opponent votes. Granted getting 3 such votes should be difficult but still. If you happen to get 3 votes and your fellow army players do not then your margin just got that much greater. Or consider if you happen to play the same army as some amazing painter/converter(s) -- the average score is gonna jump higher and reduce the margin.

Its all theoretical though and depends a good deal on attendance and what people happen to bring. I'd be curious to see the numbers from the Iron Man to see how thing shook out in practice.

The overall won all four games and got 1 player vote to give him 13 points(Space Marines) the best general won all 4 games for 12 points (Imperial Gaurd) The third highest margin of victory was a tau player that won 3 games and tied one the 4th place was a chaos player with the same record the 5th was Tyrannids with 3 wins and a loss in the final game 6-8th all had 9 points total so three wins and a loss.

That's all anecdotal, the system is broken and allows for results other than this to occur.

So does every system. So do dice. I used data from 4 years of tournaments and come up with similar results. The truth is anyone can try to game any tournament system so does this mean that none should be played??

Show me how one could 'game' the NOVA open.

vhwolf wrote:So does every system. So do dice. I used data from 4 years of tournaments and come up with similar results. The truth is anyone can try to game any tournament system so does this mean that none should be played??

I think that building a system that creates the possiblity of a result that most people would find unsatisfactory is inherently flawed. Creating a system where the actions of others (best opponent votes, other players from the same codex) have a huge impact on a player's score also limits the extent to which each player controls their own destiny.

Precisely -- the system as outlined violates the Perceivable Consequence tool. Gamers hate that, because they instinctively recognise it as poor design.

http://www.ludism.org/gamedesign/PerceivableConsequences

Ian Sturrock wrote:Precisely -- the system as outlined violates the Perceivable Consequence tool. Gamers hate that, because they instinctively recognise it as poor design.

http://www.ludism.org/gamedesign/PerceivableConsequences

Interesting. Have anymore good reading on this game design issue?

Fearspect wrote:Show me how one could 'game' the NOVA open.

They could bring a WAAC list.

There's no such thing as a 'WAAC' list, only WAAC play (aka cheating).

In any tournament, if you are not taking every legal advantage possible, you are participating for the wrong reasons.

Fearspect wrote:There's no such thing as a 'WAAC' list, only WAAC play (aka cheating).

In any tournament, if you are not taking every legal advantage possible, you are participating for the wrong reasons.

+1 to this.

WAAC is not a list, its a player.

And even if a WAAC player shows up, its still not "gaming the system" since a WAAC players show up everywhere to every system. So you should really troll harder next time.

Oh, if I was trolling, you wouldn't know it.

Anyways, is anyone actually planning on going to this?
I keep hearing from everyone with a ticket coming that they don't even plan on attending.