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I challenge you guys of DakkaDakka to come up with the most competitive army list possible, that will make even the most hardened veterans cry.

Rules: List must be 1850 points or less, come from a current codex, and use the standard Force Organization Chart. Limit of one army list entry per person. If you post more than one army list, please edit your FIRST POST in this thread with your entry, and please designate that it is your entry. Thank you

Have at it folks!

The end date for this is January 31st, at which point I will organize all the lists and let people vote for their favorite list.

Space Marines 1850
HQ-----------------------
Vulkan He'stan 190

Captain 195
-Bike
-Relic Blade
-Storm Shield
-Hellfire Rounds
-Melta Bombs

Troops-------------------
Bike Squad (5+1) 210
-2 Meltaguns
-Attack bike with Multi Melta

Bike Squad (5+1) 210
-2 Meltaguns
-Attack bike with Multi Melta

Bike Squad (5+1) 210
-2 Meltaguns
-Attack bike with Multi Melta

Bike Squad (5+1) 200
-2 Flamers
-Attack bike with Multi Melta

Elites-------------------------
Assault Terminators (7) 280
-TH/SS

Assault Terminators (7) 280
-TH/SS

Assault Terminators (7) 280
-TH/SS

Total 1845

Imperial Guard

CCS
4 plasma
OOTF
chimera

Inquisitor lord with combi-melta, psychic hood, emperors tarot
2 mystics
2 warriors with plasmaguns

inquisitorial stormtroopers with 2 plasma in rhino
inquisitorial stormtroopers with 2 plasma in rhino

Vet squad with 3 meltas in chimera
Vet squad with 3 meltas in chimera
Vet squad with 3 meltas in chimera

Vendetta
Vendetta

Manticore
Manticore
Demolisher

8 points left.

I know someone who runs a list with 9 vendettas?

85thcommander wrote:I know someone who runs a list with 9 vendettas?

it is funny, but not good... how much points are we talking about?

imperial commander wrote:

85thcommander wrote:I know someone who runs a list with 9 vendettas?

it is funny, but not good... how much points are we talking about?

1650, he's a former national champ and currently ranked 11 in the country.

85thcommander wrote:

imperial commander wrote:

85thcommander wrote:I know someone who runs a list with 9 vendettas?

it is funny, but not good... how much points are we talking about?

1650, he's a former national champ and currently ranked 11 in the country.

well, what has he furter in is army list? if he can make a good list with 9 vendetta's i want to see it!
i have saw many times before some lists with 9 of them, but they were not good...

The real question is does he have 9 vendettas painted up..

imperial commander wrote:

85thcommander wrote:

imperial commander wrote:

85thcommander wrote:I know someone who runs a list with 9 vendettas?

it is funny, but not good... how much points are we talking about?

1650, he's a former national champ and currently ranked 11 in the country.

well, what has he furter in is army list? if he can make a good list with 9 vendetta's i want to see it!
i have saw many times before some lists with 9 of them, but they were not good...

Love to help you but I have no idea. He owns my FLGS and I've never seen him play but some of the club-members have played him in tourneys and he has told me personally that he runs 9 of them.


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Phototoxin wrote:The real question is does he have 9 vendettas painted up..

He paid to have them painted

Nulipuli2 wrote:Space Marines 1850
HQ-----------------------
Vulkan He'stan 190

Captain 195
-Bike
-Relic Blade
-Storm Shield
-Hellfire Rounds
-Melta Bombs

Troops-------------------
Bike Squad (5+1) 210
-2 Meltaguns
-Attack bike with Multi Melta

Bike Squad (5+1) 210
-2 Meltaguns
-Attack bike with Multi Melta

Bike Squad (5+1) 210
-2 Meltaguns
-Attack bike with Multi Melta

Bike Squad (5+1) 200
-2 Flamers
-Attack bike with Multi Melta

Elites-------------------------
Assault Terminators (7) 280
-TH/SS

Assault Terminators (7) 280
-TH/SS

Assault Terminators (7) 280
-TH/SS

Total 1845

How do the Termies get into combat?

Sisters 1850

HQ
Palantine 35
5 Celestians- 2 flamers 75
immolater- smoke 68

Elites
5 celestians- 2 meltas 85
immolater- smoke 68
5 celestians- 2 meltas 85
immolater- smoke 68
5 celestians- 2 meltas 85
immolater- smoke 68

Troops
5 IST- 2 meltas 70
rhino- smoke 58
5 IST- 2 meltas 70
rhino- smoke 58
5 IST- 2 meltas 70
rhino- smoke 58
5 IST- 2 meltas 70
rhino- smoke 58
5 IST- 2 plasmas 70
rhino- smoke 58
5 IST- 2 plasmas 70
rhino- smoke 58

Fast
5 Dominions- 2 flamers 67
immolater- smoke 68
5 Dominions- 2 flamers 67
immolater- smoke 68

Heavy
immolater- smoke 68
immolater- smoke 68
immolater- smoke 68

1849. 15 Rhino chassis, 9 twin linked mve 12 and fire heavy flamers, 6 more flamers, 14 meltas guns, 4 plasma guns. Not much can stand up to this.

Commander85, Are you from SA. If you are that would be so cool because I am to. I live in Joburg. I have also heard of this guy with 9 vendettas in his list. Pretty epic.

Jevrian wrote:Commander85, Are you from SA. If you are that would be so cool because I am to. I live in Joburg. I have also heard of this guy with 9 vendettas in his list. Pretty epic.

I am indeed living in sunny South Africa.

Wow, do you ever run into traffic jam issues with that sisters list? Lol

I'm not familiar with immolators, are they normal H flamers? Or do they shoot out?

Thats awesome. What's your local club?

huge_eldar wrote:Wow, do you ever run into traffic jam issues with that sisters list? Lol

I'm not familiar with immolators, are they normal H flamers? Or do they shoot out?

Immolater heavy flamers are twin-linked so can re-roll wounds. And it can go 12" and fire the twin-linked heavy flamer due to accurracy not being needed to fire the weapon acuratly.

DarkCorsair wrote:I challenge you guys of DakkaDakka to come up with the most competitive army list possible, that will make even the most hardened veterans cry.

A while back, Aldarionn posted a SW Razorspam (LC, TWPG) list, something like 14 of them, minimal GH squads, TWC too. It was sick. I'll see if I can find it again.

Jevrian and 85thcommander, maybe you guys should take your hooking up conversation to PM? Seems to be hijacking the thread. I suggest this nicely.

BA Codex:

Libby Shield, Lance

Libby Shield, Lance

Sanguinary Priest x 3 - 350

9 Asault Marines - powerfist, meltagun, infernus pistol - Rhino, w/HK, SB - 252

9 Asault Marines - powerfist, meltagun, infernus pistol - Rhino, w/HK - 242

9 Asault Marines - powerfist, meltagun, infernus pistol - Rhino, w/HK - 242

9 Asault Marines - powerfist, meltagun, infernus pistol - Rhino, w/HK - 242

9 Asault Marines - powerfist, meltagun, infernus pistol - Rhino, w/HK - 242

Predator - Lassponsons 140

Predator - Lassponsons 140

1850 points Rhino rush for the win. Basically drive up to his lines pop smoke and ask him to deal with 5 Rhinos and half a company of marines. Turn 2 charge out of Rhinos and win. Pretty dull but really high in threat.

And if you go second and get your rhinos blown up or even stunned or immoblized, in your deployment zone?

yermom wrote:And if you go second and get your rhinos blown up or even stunned or immoblized, in your deployment zone?

lol.

But yeah, for any list with halfway decent AT stopping 5 rhinos wont be a problem.


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Razorspam, with a little twist.

Wolf Lord, TWM, PF, SS, Runic Armor, Wolf Tail Talisman 225

Wolf Lord, TWM, PF, SS, Runic Armor, Saga of Majesty 235

3 Wolf Guard, 3x Combi melta 69
Lasplas 75

3 Wolf Guard, 3x Combi melta 69
Lasplas 75

5 Grey Hunters, flamer 75
Lasplas 75

5 Grey Hunters, flamer 75
Lasplas 75

5 Grey Hunters, flamer 75
Lasplas 75

10 Fenrisian Wolves 80

6 Long Fangs, 5 Missile Launchers 140
Lasplas 75

6 Long Fangs, 5 Missile Launchers 140
Lasplas 75

6 Long Fangs, 5 Missile Launchers 140

=1849

It's contains "only" 7 'backs, but IMO the lords are well worth it. Saves you having to shoot your whole army at 5 marines in cover to kill them, when your lords can just go and munch them up. Plus they're annoying as hell to try and shoot out of the wolf screen.

If you feel like it you can drop the majesty lord and the wolves for 315pts, and pick up 2 more 'backs:

3 Wolf Guard, 3x Combi melta 69
Lasplas 75

5 Grey Hunters, flamer 75
Lasplas 75

Leaves 15pts, spend it wherever.

Edited: I would want this list as my 'designated' vanilla marines list I would take. (except for all the Razorbacks, I have the models for it too now woo hoo)

HQ: librarian :100

TR: 6 slots of tactical(10), missile, meltagun, razorback
215
215
215
215
215
215

HS: 2 slots of devastators (10), 4 missile launchers
230
230

^^ Make them 5 man assault squads, no PF or melta guns/infernus pistol. Drop down to one priest at most, and you should have points for another pred and baal preds.

No book so no points.

Logan
Rune priest
Wolf Priest

2 x LR
1 x LRC

Wolf priest + 15 blood claws
Logan + 4-7 WG mix or all termies.
Rune priest + 9 WG

LR to neutralize IG mech lists.

WG with combi-weapons and claws in termi armor or power armor.

All three units should dominate in HTH.
The rune priest messes up psychers.

The options with WG can be used to optimize them for any opponent.

Only forseen problem is DE list with a boat-load of lance fire. If you sweat that find space for one long-fang and logan that should light up any two DE raiders or ravagers.

There are better lists but this is not just a cookie cutter list.

Chaos Daemons


Fateweaver


3x Flamers
3x Flamers
6x Bloodcrushers w/full equipment


5x Horrors w/bolt
5x Horrors w/bolt
5x Plaguebearers
11x Bloodletters

Demon Prince w/ MoT,Wings,Bolt
Demon Prince w/ MoT,Wings,Bolt
Demon Prince w/ MoT,Wings,Bolt

1849 no mech so anti tank weapons are inefficent and fateweaver bubble for princes and crushers.

You want to see the best lists? Look at tournament results. The proof's in the pudding.

That most recent space wolf list will suffer from lack of taking advantage of the SW codex ulta-cheese possibilities. Wolf Guard die just as readily as regular marines but cost much more. Long fangs, which are better AND cheaper than their smurf equivalents. I have seen them at the bunker and they just SUCK when they use the hopped up TWC too.

HQ: rune priest, wolf tail, wolf tooth 115, JOTWW + something else

HQ: WG battle leader: thunderwolf mount, 2 fenris wolfs, storm shield, wolf tail 170

HQ: WG battle leader: thunderwolf mount, 2 fenris wolfs, storm shield, wolf tail 170

TR: grey hunters (5) 90
TR: grey hunters (5) 90

FA: 5 thunderwolf cavalry (5) 435
SS/bolt pistol
SS/boltgun
SS/meltabomb
SS/mark of wulfen
SS/frost blade

FA: 5 thunderwolf cavalry (5) 435
SS/bolt pistol
SS/boltgun
SS/meltabomb
SS/mark of wulfen
SS/frost blade

(just try killing one of these guys, between the storm shields, wound allocation (why they are all armed differently), and the wolf tail plus extra 2 fenris wolves on the WGBL riding with them)

HS: 5 long fangs 4 missiles: 115

HS: 5 long fangs 4 missiles: 115

HS: 5 long fangs 4 missiles: 115


It really is disgusting when people use thunderwolf cav like this. I had it done to me once and got almost tabled by a very lousy player. You don't have to think much just charge them right up the middle shrugging off everything thrown at them. The only way this list is weak is that you have to keep the grey hunters safe to score any points, but who cares if you chop up everything else on the table and win with a VP from one surviving grey hunter.


EDIT: It just occurred to me that 5 stormshields on the TWC are unnecessary to play the wound allocation game, and they could do just as well with 3 per squad, saving 120 points to either get more grey hunters, upgrade the WGBL to Wolf Lords, or get another rune priest

Jabbdo wrote:

yermom wrote:And if you go second and get your rhinos blown up or even stunned or immoblized, in your deployment zone?

lol.

But yeah, for any list with halfway decent AT stopping 5 rhinos wont be a problem.

People say that but have you actually tried. Obviously going 2nd hurts for that type of list but Iwill be getting cover saves in that first turn (hence the 2 Libbies). Remember it takes on average 4.5 S10 Ap1 HITS to pop a cover save Rhino. Granted that maths is based on a 4+ rather than the 5+ shield would give me. I know SW missile launcher/Las-plas spam would cause this list problems if it went 2nd, but I'd probably table you everyy time if I went first. I didn't have the SW or BA codex to hand so had to go off memory so went with BA as I remember the points I needed to know for this list. One of your own Razorback + LF spam lists would have been my absolute ideal choice.

^^ Make them 5 man assault squads, no PF or melta guns/infernus pistol. Drop down to one priest at most, and you should have points for another pred and baal preds.

Then the list is entirely pointless. The whole point of the list is a massed FC assault in turn 2. Cutting back the assault squads would prevent this. The melta is to deal with cans on the turn you charge. The suppliament the preds and HK missiles.

Hückleberry wrote:Chaos Daemons


Fateweaver


3x Flamers
3x Flamers
6x Bloodcrushers w/full equipment


5x Horrors w/bolt
5x Horrors w/bolt
5x Plaguebearers
11x Bloodletters

Demon Prince w/ MoT,Wings,Bolt
Demon Prince w/ MoT,Wings,Bolt
Demon Prince w/ MoT,Wings,Bolt

1849 no mech so anti tank weapons are inefficent and fateweaver bubble for princes and crushers.

I played very close to this list for some time, its good but it has its weaknesses.

I'm afraid it just doesnt work that way. Most armies have psychic defence, so lets say they stop 1 shield, then thy wll just oblitterate the 2 rhinos that aren't shielded.

Anyway even if you get first the space wolf player does get the advantage of seeing how you deploy and reacting. Only a fool would deploy straight accross that thing. A good player would probably split his force between each corner forcing you to split your forces, to acheive. Or even just reserve, leaving the long fang missiles on the table. If you charge you get counter harged hard by whatever rolls on durring the wolf players next turn. If you dont charge your taking 15 missiles to the face. Those arent good odds. 40k is a 3 dimensional game, 2 dimensional tactics will not win against good players.

I'm afraid it just doesnt work that way. Most armies have psychic defence, so lets say they stop 1 shield, then thy wll just oblitterate the 2 rhinos that aren't shielded.

Anyway even if you get first the space wolf player does get the advantage of seeing how you deploy and reacting. Only a fool would deploy straight accross that thing. A good player would probably split his force between each corner forcing you to split your forces, to acheive. Or even just reserve, leaving the long fang missiles on the table. If you charge you get counter harged hard by whatever rolls on durring the wolf players next turn. If you dont charge your taking 15 missiles to the face. Those arent good odds. 40k is a 3 dimensional game, 2 dimensional tactics will not win against good players.

Against Eldar yes against anything else they're limited to 24" pyschic defence and again going 2nd I'll know where their psychic defence is. Unless they pod in which won't really help much against this list.

If they split I still have 5 rhinos so can split or centrate on the larger part and destroy that. Likewise the all reserve tactic doesn't really help unless they've got fast stuff that can DS or out flank. In your example I'd just send in 2 squads against the 18 Long fangs and wipe them. When they got counter charged I'd still have 30 angry marines to counter charge back. With a 14" charge radius from each rhino It would be easy to ensure anything that charged my 20 marines could be counter charged whilst remaining out of easy charge range.

Yes 40k is a 3 dimensional game but armies that win tournaments tend to do 1 thing very well, or all pull in the same direction. That doesn't necessarily mean spamming and I know I have done. But Rhino rush is the most consistent way of using BAs.