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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 05:10:33
Subject: Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Madrak Ironhide
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http://privateerpressforums.com/showthread.php?50438-Retailers-no-longer-stocking-PP-!&p=703811&viewfull=1#post703811
He posts:
I'll try to shed some light on [delays they're having with getting product out]:
The 'distribution problems' are really 'manufacturing delays' that have occurred as a result of the great influx of new players that we've seen over the past year. So, as one poster summed it up earlier in the thread, the problem is a result of success. We know that no matter what the issue is, it's inconvenient for our players, and don't take that lightly and are doing everything we possibly can (within reason) to accelerate production and meet demand. It doesn't serve us at all to have unfulfilled customers and it's our goal to make sure everyone is satisfied as quickly as possible.
This isn't as easy as it sounds. Our miniatures are made by hand, as are all pewter hobby minis. A human being has to our molten metal into a mold, spin it, remove it, do a quality check and then send it on to packing. The bottle neck in our production pipeline comes from the limited number of human beings we have to do this. Our metal casters, I believe, are the best in the world. But it takes training and it takes a certain level of commitment to the craft that is difficult to find. Casting isn't something that just anyone to do -- maybe they could go through the motions, but speed and accuracy are huge factors here because if the person casting can't produce a certain level of quality product in a given amount of time, then they become a liability for the company. Finding these great people isn't easy, but we're constantly searching for new people to add to our staff.
The other side of this is that we have always been and will always be cautious not to over hire staff just so that we can push product out the door. As with any good organization, we care very much for everyone who is a part of our crew, and we never want to be in a situation where we must dismiss someone because their job has been made redundant. I take a great deal of personal pride in the fact that Privateer Press has never in its entire history had to lay anyone off because of financial considerations. While the rest of the world have been downsizing through the terrible economic crisis of the past few years, Privateer has retained every role. Most recently, we're even expanding. But we do this cautiously, and the truth is, right now demand on the product is simply outpacing our ability and willingness to increase staff. Some companies are happy to staff up, get a job done, and then cut people loose. That's not Privateer and it never will be, even if it means our customers, whom we care for very much, have to wait a little longer to get product.
There's some good news in all of this too:
First, the fulfillment issues aren't economically motivated. In other words, this isn't a sign of Privateer having financial problems. 2010 was our best year ever in the history of the company. It's also not an indication of a flagging industry. The game industry is healthy and strong and we know this because we're moving a lot of product through the same channels we always have.
Second, we have made a great deal of headway over the last couple months in fulfilling the orders. I keep tabs on production and where we're at and the report last week was that we had cut our restock orders down by more than half. Of course, we received a deluge of more orders last week as well, but we're making a lot of progress! :-) The progress has come from expanding our production with ore equipment as well as having located some great new staff and getting them trained up. Balancing this is tricky, as I explained, but confidence is high in production right now as they're seeing the light at the end of this tunnel of huge restock orders.
I can't say specifically what this means for any individuals wait on an order, but I did want to chime in and let anyone concerned know that this is our top priority right now, and that if anything, this difficulty in getting your hands on stock is an indication of the popularity and health of WARMACHINE and HORDES. The community is growing in leaps and bounds, and that more than anything is going to be what ensures the longevity of our favorite games into the future.
Thank you for your patience, your understanding, and your support.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 05:21:56
Subject: Re:Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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I've never bought a PP miniature and know very little about the company, but if I were a fan and customer I think I'd appreciate this kind of open response.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 05:55:50
Subject: Re:Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Mutating Changebringer
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Reading this I'm reminded of a conversation I had earlier today with a friend regarding another one of my hobbies: HeroClix. For those not up on things, the last set (DC75 Anniversary) sold out within a month, and their next set (Giant Sized X-Men) looks like it's going to go to street release date in a manufacturers sell out (it's not scheduled to be released for another month and a half).
It's both reassuring and frustrating as a customer: reassuring, since I think most of us want the hobby companies we patronize to do well, and obviously frustrating because it can be almost comically silly when we find desperatly eager to throw money at a company, but unable to do so.
Ah, the troubles of hobbyists...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 06:03:43
Subject: Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Lady of the Lake
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It's good to here that they're taking their time to resolve it properly rather than quickly. I only have one PP model, but it's better than a lot of the GW stuff that I have.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 06:13:48
Subject: Re:Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Hunter with Harpoon Laucher
Castle Clarkenstein
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Privateers never had much luck handling success. Any surge in the game has resulted in problems like this. Seems to be a cycle. I have 3 different distributors for their product, and all of them are horribly frustrated at not having anything to sell, and waiting months for restocks on many items. Not as bad as it was a couple of years ago, but still stressfull. It's hard for a distributor to tell stores they don't have product, and frustrating for stores to tell customers over and over why they can't get them the models they want.
Hopefully they get it together, hire a few people to replace the ones that left, and get caught up. The games doing great in both of my stores, and the only holdup is actually getting product to sell. There are worse problems for a miniature company to have.) Certainly beats what Ex-Ex-Illis, WGF, or Arcane Legions is going through.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 08:12:28
Subject: Re:Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
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"A human being has to our molten metal into a mold, spin it, remove it, do a quality check and then send it on to packing"
In my experience with PP models, they've been saving a lot of time on that second-to-last step.
Maybe they can do as Forge World does, and just cut it out completely. Forge World - Our Returns Department is Our QA Department!®
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 08:19:11
Subject: Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Freelance Soldier
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My experiences with PP involve Cygnar and Khador models and so far I've been quite impressed. Certainly seems like a lot less cleanup is involved before I can prime than most GW metals these days.
Good to see communication of this nature from PP to explain the delays. Hopefully they can get things back on track as it never pays to annoy customers at any point in the retail chain.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 08:57:45
Subject: Re:Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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The bottle neck in our production pipeline comes from the limited number of human beings we have to do this.
Then clone some more.
Duh!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 09:09:31
Subject: Re:Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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"Limited number of human beings"
Talk about cold and soulless description of the employees. Why not go all the way and just call them "fleshbags that we have to pay for"
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 10:00:13
Subject: Re:Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
Austria-Graz
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BrookM wrote:"Limited number of human beings"
Talk about cold and soulless description of the employees. Why not go all the way and just call them "fleshbags that we have to pay for"
Well, Somethings do not translate that good in the internet, but i really think you are misunderstanding the statement, sice, as far as i read the note, he is trying completely to avoid "firing" or "laying off people". I think the expression is misunderstood as it seems to me more "limited number of humans beings rather than machines"
my 2 cents
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 10:25:02
Subject: Re:Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Using Object Source Lighting
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This explanation was necessary since things seemed to be out of controll, months of wait for some minis can frustate stores and clients and even if its a consequence of a bigger search for PP goods people were a bit frustated and needed a clarification of what was going on.
So I hope they get their stuff together and meet demand.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 10:31:44
Subject: Re:Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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[MOD]
Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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Wolfen wrote:BrookM wrote:"Limited number of human beings"
Talk about cold and soulless description of the employees. Why not go all the way and just call them "fleshbags that we have to pay for"
Well, Somethings do not translate that good in the internet, but i really think you are misunderstanding the statement, sice, as far as i read the note, he is trying completely to avoid "firing" or "laying off people". I think the expression is misunderstood as it seems to me more "limited number of humans beings rather than machines"
my 2 cents
Again, they are one step away from using "Termination" or "Killing them, collecting the insurance and using their carcasses as fuel for the forges"
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 11:12:38
Subject: Re:Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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BrookM wrote:"Limited number of human beings"
Talk about cold and soulless description of the employees. Why not go all the way and just call them "fleshbags that we have to pay for"
Please read the whole text and mind the context: Privateer seems to be a very caring employer and their current problem is that they DON'T treat employees as fleshbags:
As with any good organization, we care very much for everyone who is a part of our crew, and we never want to be in a situation where we must dismiss someone because their job has been made redundant. I take a great deal of personal pride in the fact that Privateer Press has never in its entire history had to lay anyone off because of financial considerations. While the rest of the world have been downsizing through the terrible economic crisis of the past few years, Privateer has retained every role. Most recently, we're even expanding. But we do this cautiously, and the truth is, right now demand on the product is simply outpacing our ability and willingness to increase staff. Some companies are happy to staff up, get a job done, and then cut people loose. That's not Privateer and it never will be, even if it means our customers, whom we care for very much, have to wait a little longer to get product.
These mistakes can happen when you are busy selling your Elysians
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 11:54:31
Subject: Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Stitch Counter
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2010 was our best year ever in the history of the company. It's also not an indication of a flagging industry.
Interesting to compare this statement to the rather lacklustre financial results GW is churning out these days.
I know PP is approximately 1/10 the size of GW, but that gap won't take forever to close.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 11:56:51
Subject: Re:Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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Kroothawk wrote:BrookM wrote:"Limited number of human beings"
Talk about cold and soulless description of the employees. Why not go all the way and just call them "fleshbags that we have to pay for"
Please read the whole text and mind the context: Privateer seems to be a very caring employer and their current problem is that they DON'T treat employees as fleshbags:
As with any good organization, we care very much for everyone who is a part of our crew, and we never want to be in a situation where we must dismiss someone because their job has been made redundant. I take a great deal of personal pride in the fact that Privateer Press has never in its entire history had to lay anyone off because of financial considerations. While the rest of the world have been downsizing through the terrible economic crisis of the past few years, Privateer has retained every role. Most recently, we're even expanding. But we do this cautiously, and the truth is, right now demand on the product is simply outpacing our ability and willingness to increase staff. Some companies are happy to staff up, get a job done, and then cut people loose. That's not Privateer and it never will be, even if it means our customers, whom we care for very much, have to wait a little longer to get product.
These mistakes can happen when you are busy selling your Elysians 
I shall kill you last, because at least you wink. Yessss.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 12:01:16
Subject: Re:Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Anointed Dark Priest of Chaos
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BrookM wrote:"Limited number of human beings"
Talk about cold and soulless description of the employees. Why not go all the way and just call them "fleshbags that we have to pay for"
Trolling aside, it is obvious you know nothign about PP.
PP the company that has an employee profile spotlight on their web page in which employees get to share their work experiences, tell you about projects they are working on, discuss what armies they collect, etc., etc.
Matt also attends conventions and events with his staff and hangs with the lowly booth staffer just as much as the upper admin guys.
Not to mention that PP upper admin. guys interact on their message boards with both staff and fans regularly.
Matt was making the distinction that trained people ("actual human beings") do the work as opposed to machines that can just be cranked up to produce things faster.
Nice try through...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 12:09:55
Subject: Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Dont worry about BrookM folks, just British style humour there. I read it as humour from the first post which was clarified further with each additional post.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 12:18:57
Subject: Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Rampaging Furioso Blood Angel Dreadnought
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so what you are saying is that was sar asm? cause i missed that. lol
Seriously, this IS good news here about PP. Glad to hear it. A breathe of fresh air compared to what we have hearx lately, and in some cases never hear, from other companies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 12:27:28
Subject: Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Anointed Dark Priest of Chaos
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grizgrin wrote:so what you are saying is that was sar asm? cause i missed that. lol
IF 99.9% of readers take your "british humor" for trolling then perhaps it is time to rethink your posting style...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 12:37:54
Subject: Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Killer Klaivex
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CT GAMER wrote:grizgrin wrote:so what you are saying is that was sar asm? cause i missed that. lol
IF 99.9% of readers take your "british humor" for trolling then perhaps it is time to rethink your posting style...
I got the humour.
Remember, communication problems can read two ways. Maybe you should rethink your reading style?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 12:49:49
Subject: Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Anointed Dark Priest of Chaos
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Ketara wrote:
Remember, communication problems can read two ways. Maybe you should rethink your reading style?
I'll remember this defense the next time the mods harrass me about "trolling"...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 14:04:49
Subject: Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Madrak Ironhide
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CT GAMER wrote:Ketara wrote:
Remember, communication problems can read two ways. Maybe you should rethink your reading style?
I'll remember this defense the next time the mods harrass me about "trolling"...
I troll, I mean use dry humor, in GW threads all the time!
Seriously. It was a deadpan delivery on the worst of days.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 14:07:01
Subject: Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Using Object Source Lighting
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Osbad wrote: 2010 was our best year ever in the history of the company. It's also not an indication of a flagging industry.
Interesting to compare this statement to the rather lacklustre financial results GW is churning out these days.
I know PP is approximately 1/10 the size of GW, but that gap won't take forever to close.
True.
In the latest news about some mini companies the PP sucess is a breeze of fresh air... Do they deserve all of this new interest? I think so, I mean they in 1 year updated the books etc at an incredible speed... they also seem to have the feet on the ground towards their clientelle... Yes delays and sometimes quality control sucks but if they manage to solve these flaws then they are paving a road to sucess... The skirmish type of game is also much more addictive than big armies battles.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 14:16:33
Subject: Re:Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Cozy cockpit of an Archer ARC-5S
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I do wonder how big the PP rules studio is in comparison to GW's "five blokes and a kettle" approach.
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Fatum Iustum Stultorum
Fiat justitia ruat caelum
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 14:28:15
Subject: Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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The New Miss Macross!
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sillly privateer press! that's not how you deal with customers! if you want to grow as big as GW, you need to stop publishing heartfelt letters to your customers and switch to semiannual investor reports in which you blame your woes on random and/or contradictory factors... and then propose the same solution (raise prices!) while saying the forcast is rosey year after year of falling sales. duh!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 14:36:21
Subject: Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Anointed Dark Priest of Chaos
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malfred wrote:CT GAMER wrote:Ketara wrote:
Remember, communication problems can read two ways. Maybe you should rethink your reading style?
I'll remember this defense the next time the mods harrass me about "trolling"...
I troll, I mean use dry humor, in GW threads all the time!
Seriously. It was a deadpan delivery on the worst of days.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 14:39:30
Subject: Re:Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Using Object Source Lighting
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BrookM wrote:I do wonder how big the PP rules studio is in comparison to GW's "five blokes and a kettle" approach.
Yeah, also bugs me the overall quality of PP stuff, Hardcover or softcover options on all books, fully ilustrated with some of the best illustrators behind those, a nice mag, nice cards on blisters, some cool and some not so cool minis but final balance its a very tight and good product... Color me impressed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 15:10:36
Subject: Re:Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Posts with Authority
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Ouze wrote:"A human being has to our molten metal into a mold, spin it, remove it, do a quality check and then send it on to packing"
In my experience with PP models, they've been saving a lot of time on that second-to-last step.
Maybe they can do as Forge World does, and just cut it out completely. Forge World - Our Returns Department is Our QA Department!®
Truth of FW quality right there.
As far as PP...just cut out the metal. Im getting to the point where I hate metal minis. Get with the times, plastic is where its at. On that note I guess that article is a good show of why the PP plastic stuff is readily available, at least from internet retails. Far less work needed to produce it.
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Whats my game?
Warmachine (Cygnar)
10/15mm mecha
Song of Blades & Heroes
Blackwater Gulch
X wing
Open to other games too
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 15:30:18
Subject: Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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CT GAMER wrote:Ketara wrote:
Remember, communication problems can read two ways. Maybe you should rethink your reading style?
I'll remember this defense the next time the mods harrass me about "trolling"...
If you're seeing as 'harassment", well...
Good for PP though - I think!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/01/31 15:44:04
Subject: Matt Wilson explains product delays from Privateer Press
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Hunter with Harpoon Laucher
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warboss wrote:sillly privateer press! that's not how you deal with customers! if you want to grow as big as GW, you need to stop publishing heartfelt letters to your customers and switch to semiannual investor reports in which you blame your woes on random and/or contradictory factors... and then propose the same solution (raise prices!) while saying the forcast is rosey year after year of falling sales. duh!!
Privateer has an interesting customer relationship. 11 months out of the year, their customers are distributors and FLGS.
The other month, IE: GenCon, their customers are what I thought were my customers. I drop out of the feeding chain.)
They pack up all the stock, sell direct at Gencon, release the new stuff I won't get for a month or two, then happily talk about how great Gencon was, how much they sold, and how tired they are afterwards.)
I've learned to try and stock up before they go to GenCon, because they are horrible at restocks for a couple of months after, (6 months this year). Selling all your stock, and not having anyone working at the home office for a couple of weeks will do that. I also have to be careful as hell bringing in new items they had at Gencon. If one ninja shopper grabbs stuff for a dozen people, I strangely don't sell much of those new releases.
Matt's a great guy, and does truly care about his people. Unfortunately, he's not always in charge. There's a growing group of ex-Privateer employees. They are mimicing GW in more ways than one.)
I sincerely hope they get their act together, and get the production back up to where it needs to be. I need stock to sell to gamers. I also sincerely wish they'd quit undercutting FLGS at Gencon and put that effort into getting more Warjacks made.
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