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**Kilkrazy**

Firearm Jet ban for 3-inch model

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3375902/Firearm-jet-ban-for-3in-model-rifle.html

**Just Dave**

I don't even know how to respond to that.

Actually, I think I may have a response:

**filbert**

It's the Sun so I will take it with a pinch of salt. They seem to take a perverse pleasure in posting these 'Broken Britain' type stories so that the punter's can spew their daily allotted portion of bile.

Having said that, there are an awful number of jobsworths out there. I would like to know why "...the supervisor was confident that, according to the regulations, a firearm is a firearm and cannot pass. The rifle could not travel." when it is quite clearly a non-functioning piece of metal. How is that a firearm anymore than a walking stick or a car key for example?

**Chowderhead**

For once in my life, I can say this: Go TSA!

**SagesStone**

RAW saves the day again.

**Frazzled**

Actually it would be good to see what their definition of firearm is, because it doesn't meet any definition I can think of.

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Note: I tried their website and am not seeing a definition. I'd bet there isn't one.

Meanwhile a radical cleric caught sneaking across the border in the southwest. Yea I feel safer (he says while filling sandbags).

**whatwhat**

chowderhead13 wrote:For once in my life, I can say this: Go TSA!

heh. No. I got told I couldn't take an action man style toy with a gun on the plane, which I had bought for my nephew, on the way back from Florida two years ago. Had to go back to the checkin and put it in a small box to go in with the baggage.

I don't know if that was an option here but if it was rather than not being able to take warhammer, just don't keep it in your hand luggage.

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tbh I'm kind of surprised this made the news. I thought it was a standard thing that you couldn't take toy guns on planes, as I had learnt from the above experience, as absurd as the policy is. I guess I missed a trick and should have sold my story to the Sun.

**Kilkrazy**

UK Crown Prosecution Service definitions of a firearm, imitation firearm, and realistic imitation, firearm are available here...

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/firearms/

**Monster Rain**

Excuse me, miss. Will I have to check this?

**halonachos**

Hey you never know what could've happened, have you ever seen the movie 'Small Soldiers' or what about 'Puppet Master'?

Those guys saved the day in my books.

**BrookM**

Reminds me of the guy who got denied a flight because he had a t-shirt with Megatron in gun-mode on it.

**Frazzled**

Kilkrazy wrote:UK Crown Prosecution Service definitions of a firearm, imitation firearm, and realistic imitation, firearm are available here...

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/firearms/

I thought we were talking TSA here.

Imitation Firearms
An imitation firearm means "any thing which has the appearance of being a firearm (other than such a weapon as is mentioned in section 5(1) (b) of this Act), whether or not it is capable of discharging any shot, bullet or other missile." s57 (4). This means that an offence requiring "possession" or "having with him/her" a firearm or imitation firearm requires a "thing" which is separate and distinct from a person. Putting a hand inside a jacket and using fingers to force out the material to give the impression of a firearm falls outside the scope of such offences, as a person's bodily parts is not a "thing". (R v Bentham [2005] UKHL18). R v Morris and King, 79 Cr App R 104, CA: when considering whether a thing has the appearance of being a firearm the jury should consider its appearance at the time of the offence and should also be assisted by the evidence of the witness who saw the thing at the time of the offence.

Unlike with "Realistic Imitation Firearms", it is not always necessary to obtain evidence from the FSP on whether the thing is an imitation firearm. The issue for the court is whether at the time of possession it had the appearance of a firearm. Evidence of the Firearms Officer will usually be sufficient expert evidence.

No that doesn't work for me.

**Kilkrazy**

In what sense?

**Frazzled**

It doesn't have the appearance of being a firearm. It has the appearance of being a toy.

**4M2A**

Yeah thats where it falls down IMO. There are multiple things that we use to determine somethings appearance, size is one of them. This doesn't look like a fire arm, it looks like a model firearm.

**hungryp**

filbert wrote:It's the Sun so I will take it with a pinch of salt... it is quite clearly a non-functioning piece of metal.

This happened to a friend several years ago (pre-9/11 even!).

He took his Marines with him on a flight to see an old friend, figuring they could get a game or two in. He had no problem on the way there, but on the flight back he was told he would have to check his carrying case because of the little tiny guns on his little tiny men. They weren't too happy when he questioned the intelligence of someone who would say a one-inch long miniature gun could be used as some sort of weapon while ignoring the chunk of solid metal (an old Dreadnought) that could more easily be wielded to dangerous effect.

**Kilkrazy**

Frazzled wrote:It doesn't have the appearance of being a firearm. It has the appearance of being a toy.

Yes. Totally agree.

**Elmodiddly**

I suspect that it is total bollocks, especially seeing as their scoop is in The Sun! They are not exactly reknowned for telling the truth are they? Then again which newspaper is?

**Viktor von Domm**

is it only me or if this is the actual model he should definatly take a wash for the mini?...er...or is this OTT?

vik

**malfred**

Guess I'll have to fly as an amputee.

**GalacticDefender**

BrookM wrote:Reminds me of the guy who got denied a flight because he had a t-shirt with Megatron in gun-mode on it.

SERIOUSLY?

Link?

**Happygrunt**

And this is why the TSA is next to useless. Luckly, I bought all snap fit marines, so.....

**Emperors Faithful**

I call bollocks on the source.

**Monster Rain**

That's the newspaper with the tits in it though, right?

I can't get too mad at them.

**halonachos**

Wait a second, who would( or in fact could) fit their army into carry on?

**Monster Rain**

Oh, you could fit a 2500 point Deathwing army into an average-sized hat.

**halonachos**

What about the local 'all grot' army lists, huh? Why doesn't anybodu think about them?

**Field Marshall Terry**

Either those Security personelle are mental or those pilots have a 6+ save with no feel no pain