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I thought about it for a while, but still do not have any clear anser: Why don`t other Chapters use Stormravens or Librarian dreads? I mean there are many Chapters that have better technolagy than the BA.

Because they don't have a shiny new codex to sell?

Because their rules doesn't allow them to.

Steelmage99 wrote:Because their rules doesn't allow them to.

Yes, I know, but I ment it more fluff wise.

well the stromraven is supposed to be a new rediscovery so it makes sense that it would take time to roll it out to all chapters and makes sense that they would try it out with an assaulty cc loving chapter first.

with reguards to librarian dreads the only reason they dont have em in the fluff is simply because GW handt thought of em when their codex was written, BA never had em in the fluff before the 5th ed, Greyknights sorta did cos all greyknights are psychic i think.

come next C:SM everyone will get storm ravens and librarian dreads. hopefully not blood talons and frag cannons though

Ugly Green Trog wrote:
come next C:SM everyone will get storm ravens and librarian dreads. hopefully not blood talons and frag cannons though

Probably Storm Ravens, but I doubt Libby dreads. According to Ward(in this month's WD), he states the reason they gave BA Libby dreads is because BAs have more Librarians and psychic potential than other chapters thanks to Sanguinius' precog psychic powers ( ).

Platuan4th wrote:

Ugly Green Trog wrote:
come next C:SM everyone will get storm ravens and librarian dreads. hopefully not blood talons and frag cannons though

Probably Storm Ravens, but I doubt Libby dreads. According to Ward(in this month's WD), he states the reason they gave BA Libby dreads is because BAs have more Librarians and psychic potential than other chapters thanks to Sanguinius' precog psychic powers ( ).

I'm a bit confused there...

I never read anywhere that the BA had more psychic potential than other chapters. Is it just GW's excuse for releasing a libby dread for BA?

Isn't that the Blood Ravens stick anyways?

Laodamia wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

Ugly Green Trog wrote:
come next C:SM everyone will get storm ravens and librarian dreads. hopefully not blood talons and frag cannons though

Probably Storm Ravens, but I doubt Libby dreads. According to Ward(in this month's WD), he states the reason they gave BA Libby dreads is because BAs have more Librarians and psychic potential than other chapters thanks to Sanguinius' precog psychic powers ( ).

I'm a bit confused there...

I never read anywhere that the BA had more psychic potential than other chapters. Is it just GW's excuse for releasing a libby dread for BA?

I'll assume, as I hadn't either until reading the design notes on the 2 kits.

Necanor wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:Because their rules doesn't allow them to.

Yes, I know, but I ment it more fluff wise.

For once, flippant, sarcastic answers are the only right ones here. There's no actual reason other than BAs got newest codex.

Psykers are more common among BA's then any other chapter(realativly speaking)


all BA's have some sort psychic abilities. the Black Rage is a psychic effect of sorts.

many BA's also have Sanguinious's Percognitive ability.

Ugly Green Trog wrote:well the stromraven is supposed to be a new rediscovery so it makes sense that it would take time to roll it out to all chapters and makes sense that they would try it out with an assaulty cc loving chapter first.

with reguards to librarian dreads the only reason they dont have em in the fluff is simply because GW handt thought of em when their codex was written, BA never had em in the fluff before the 5th ed, Greyknights sorta did cos all greyknights are psychic i think.

come next C:SM everyone will get storm ravens and librarian dreads. hopefully not blood talons and frag cannons though

Yes, but shouldn`t a chapter like the Iron Hands get to test one of the Mechanicus new discoveries first?

Platuan4th wrote:

Ugly Green Trog wrote:
come next C:SM everyone will get storm ravens and librarian dreads. hopefully not blood talons and frag cannons though

Probably Storm Ravens, but I doubt Libby dreads. According to Ward(in this month's WD), he states the reason they gave BA Libby dreads is because BAs have more Librarians and psychic potential than other chapters thanks to Sanguinius' precog psychic powers ( ).

Judging by that logic, shouldn't Thousand Sons have a hell of a lot of Sorcerer dreads just lying around?

Probably not. Chaos Dreadnoughts are used to punish rather than to venerate. I doubt they would stick a powerful sorcerer into a mind-raping machine like the Chaos Dread, since he'd probably lash out psychicly at everything around him.

The old Relictor's list had Librarian dreads in it...

Or at least the then White Dwarfer, and writer of the list (and also later to be head of the UK white dwarf team too for a stint =P) had in his Relictor's army, pending an updare to the rules for the Relictors that never seemed to come. =/

Stormraven's because even the Beardy McBeard....Angels... aren't that cheesy when it comes to sticking new tech into their companies' (honestly if one chapter has a piece of technology there's no reason gameplay wise that another shouldn't have something with similar rules-ie you could count a flying land raider as a stormraven just for lacking a better option, and lack of the vehicle design rules. =/

Necanor wrote:

Ugly Green Trog wrote:well the stromraven is supposed to be a new rediscovery so it makes sense that it would take time to roll it out to all chapters and makes sense that they would try it out with an assaulty cc loving chapter first.

with reguards to librarian dreads the only reason they dont have em in the fluff is simply because GW handt thought of em when their codex was written, BA never had em in the fluff before the 5th ed, Greyknights sorta did cos all greyknights are psychic i think.

come next C:SM everyone will get storm ravens and librarian dreads. hopefully not blood talons and frag cannons though

Yes, but shouldn`t a chapter like the Iron Hands get to test one of the Mechanicus new discoveries first?

Yer but Iron Hands don't have a new codex out.

Wyrmalla wrote:The old Relictor's list had Librarian dreads in it...

Or at least the then White Dwarfer, and writer of the list (and also later to be head of the UK white dwarf team too for a stint =P) had in his Relictor's army, pending an updare to the rules for the Relictors that never seemed to come. =/

Never was in either rules list, it may have just been a conversion he did

BluntmanDC wrote:

Wyrmalla wrote:The old Relictor's list had Librarian dreads in it...

Or at least the then White Dwarfer, and writer of the list (and also later to be head of the UK white dwarf team too for a stint =P) had in his Relictor's army, pending an updare to the rules for the Relictors that never seemed to come. =/

Never was in either rules list, it may have just been a conversion he did

Yeah, as I said, his next article was probably bumped for something else like the Feral Orks series by Jorge Delaphia. He did however definately imply that he had written the rules and was intending to release them along with an army update at a later date. =/

Which WD article was this, as i can't remember it and i am a Relictors player.

to be honest i prefer not having an update as it allows Relictors players to choose which path the remnants of the chapter went after being excommunicated.

Alright, so there is no fluff explanation for this.

Necanor wrote:Alright, so there is no fluff explanation for this.

Not that I know of.

BluntmanDC wrote:Which WD article was this, as i can't remember it and i am a Relictors player.

to be honest i prefer not having an update as it allows Relictors players to choose which path the remnants of the chapter went after being excommunicated.

Uh, 295 I think (the one with the Witch King on the cover before the gates of Minis Morgul). It had special rules for wargear etc-deamon weapons and the like-, plus it speculated upon further rules updates.

Necanor wrote:

Ugly Green Trog wrote:well the stromraven is supposed to be a new rediscovery so it makes sense that it would take time to roll it out to all chapters and makes sense that they would try it out with an assaulty cc loving chapter first.

with reguards to librarian dreads the only reason they dont have em in the fluff is simply because GW handt thought of em when their codex was written, BA never had em in the fluff before the 5th ed, Greyknights sorta did cos all greyknights are psychic i think.

come next C:SM everyone will get storm ravens and librarian dreads. hopefully not blood talons and frag cannons though

Yes, but shouldn`t a chapter like the Iron Hands get to test one of the Mechanicus new discoveries first?

Well, according to their codex, the Blood Angels are either chummy with or blackmailing the Mechanicum; this is the explanation for why they have more land raiders than anyone else, and why they have stuff like stormravens. As to why chapters like the Iron Hands aren't also getting favors from the tech-priests, it's basically because they don't have their own codex.

how are they blackmailing the Mechanicum?

They wouldn't be doing a very good job if we knew how, would they

It wasn't anything specific; its just hinted at in several places in the codex that the blood angels have greater access to mechanicum stuff like landraiders and stormravens; but that the relationship is strained at best for whatever reasons. The tech-priests are mad that the BA didn't give them the STC for the Baal Predator, and it says something about backroom dealing and bureaucratic maneuvers possibly having to do with the reason the BA have the stormraven and others don't; just stuff like that.

Matt Wards fantastic fluff writing (dear God Emperor i said that sarcastically and still feel dirty) contradicts itself hugely with reguards to BA and the Mechanicum, First it states that due to the fact that the BA refuse to hand over the STC blueprints for the Baal predator the Mechanicum dont like them and may resort to force to steal one if the opportunity presents itself, on the other hand it says the same Mechanicum also loves the BA so much they give em loads of Land raiders. Although the BA did give a lost Emperor Titan back to the Mechanicum at one point I think during the events surrounding Valdoros so maybe they got the land raiders as a TYVM pressie?

Necanor wrote:

Ugly Green Trog wrote:well the stromraven is supposed to be a new rediscovery so it makes sense that it would take time to roll it out to all chapters and makes sense that they would try it out with an assaulty cc loving chapter first.

with reguards to librarian dreads the only reason they dont have em in the fluff is simply because GW handt thought of em when their codex was written, BA never had em in the fluff before the 5th ed, Greyknights sorta did cos all greyknights are psychic i think.

come next C:SM everyone will get storm ravens and librarian dreads. hopefully not blood talons and frag cannons though

Yes, but shouldn`t a chapter like the Iron Hands get to test one of the Mechanicus new discoveries first?

There's two things stopping this happening.

1. GW doesn't like having cross codex units anymore.
2. It's a brand new unit in the Blood Angels codex.

In the old days, they'd have a little note on the bottom of the unit entry saying 'The Storm Raven may be taken as a *** choice in a Codex: Space Marines army (maybe with a 0-1 resitriction)', just like they did with the Land Raider Crusader and Black Templars.

GW don't like this anymore - same reason they're getting rid of allies with the Grey Knights codex. So basically, while there's no fluff reason other chapters don't have Stormravens (actually, in the fluff entry in the BA codex, it mentions Blood Angels are the most noteworthy Chapter to use the Stormraven, not the only Chapter to use it), it basically comes down to it being a brand new unit in the Blood Angels codex, coming out after the Space Marines codex was released, and GW not liking cross codex units. As to why it wasn't in Codex Space Marines, simple - they just didn't think of it then.

I still stand by my statement earlier in the post and say that stormravens and librarian dreads will be available in next codex space marines. They may not appear exactly as they do in codex:BA but they will be in it in some form im sure, you dont make a £40 kit for a space marine chapter then limit it to 2 codex out of 6, thats less people to sell it to.

White Scars should get the Storm Raven. They's go nuts for a heavy weapons platform that can keep up with their bikes and whatnot.

It is just because the Blood Angels have the newest codex, if you look at the battle report in the newest white dwarf, which happens to be in the 3rd war for armageddon you see storm ravens. See this page http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=15700001a