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I don't use powerfists, and nor do my friends that play (Tau, Necrons, Tyranids), and was considering using them, until one of them said that powerfists reduce the profile to one attack as they are so cumbersome, and it balances out the double strength, but he wasn't sure. I know they hit last in CC, but does it also only get one attack?

No, you get all your attacks. Just a Initiave 1.

as above but it should be noted that servo arms on the other hand add 1 additional attack at S8 I1 ignoring armour saves

You get all your attacks, but no bonus attacks unless you have two powerfists (or charge) and strike at int 1.

Yeah, it makes no sense, I know! But yes, you get all your attacks. So if you have three attacks on the charge, they'd all be S8.

Samus_aran115 wrote:Yeah, it makes no sense, I know! But yes, you get all your attacks. So if you have three attacks on the charge, they'd all be S8.

Unless you're IG, then str 6

Or if you have Furious charge; then they'd Be Str 9(7 for guard).

Oh, the Furious Charge bonus is factored in AFTER the strength bonus? I thought that if, say, a Khorne Berzerker with a power fist charged, his strength would increase to five and then become doubled to ten. That's not how that works?

Nope.

Multiply or divide BEFORE adding or subtracting.
The way normal arithmetic works.

4x2+1 giving 9.
Not 12 (4x(2+1))
Not 10 ((4+1)x2)

Just like in real world math, always follow BEDMAS with any math in 40k and you will figure it out.

You do get all of your attacks! It amazes me! My friend told me about "The Ultimate Fist" for the wolves - Mark of the Wolfen D6+1 attacks with a Power Fist. Sometimes it just seems wrong. lol

Your friend would be wrong. You can't use any weapons with Mark of the Wulfen.

Oh! The codex is wrong then.....In the Codex you have the option to replace your CCW for a Power Fist for 25pts or a Power Weapon for 15...Damned Codex! lol

JonSpencer14 wrote:Oh! The codex is wrong then.....In the Codex you have the option to replace your CCW for a Power Fist for 25pts or a Power Weapon for 15...Damned Codex! lol

Oh, you can still buy the powerfist for the model with MotW it just can't use it. A model with MotW always makes D6+1 rending attacks and can't benefit from special weapons. You still get your bonus attack on the charge as normal.

Indeed. A model with Mark of the Wulfen makes D6+1 attacks with the Rending USR, but may not use any special weapons (although you may give them to him if you feel like wasting the points).

If I were you I'd suggest that your friend gets himself a rulebook for both Warhammer 40000 and the English language in general - comprehension is quite important!

I take it that you don't have the codex? Next your gonna tell me that you get to roll the extra d6 when using a melta on a monolith?

In the "Mark of the Wulfen entry" - These attacks are made using the marked model's claws and teeth, and are not affected by wargear, additional hand weapons, etc.
Power Fist = Wargear. Aka, no d6+1 str 8 attacks.

Thank you "Lonekthx" for actually stating as to why or why not. I did look online and for other lists with Motw and a power fist and seen some that had used the d6+1 attackes on tournaments and it was approved. With all that aside and if you're correct do you choose which you use or does the Power Fist take over and it just becomes a waste of points?

You simply give the power fist to a model that does not have Mark of the Wulfen. I don't see the problem - with countercharge you get 1d6+2 rending attacks most of the time in addition to two powerfist attacks, and they're not stuck on a single model.

That's awesome.

JonSpencer14 wrote:Thank you "Lonekthx" for actually stating as to why or why not. I did look online and for other lists with Motw and a power fist and seen some that had used the d6+1 attackes on tournaments and it was approved. With all that aside and if you're correct do you choose which you use or does the Power Fist take over and it just becomes a waste of points?

Power Fist is a waste of points. Mark of the Wolfen replaces the model's attack profile. A model with Mark of the Wolfen no longer has a standard attack profile to use the weapon with. Even if it they did, Mark of the Wolfen is a special rule not a special weapon (and thus something that can be chosen from when there is more than one) it's a special ability that overrides the standard attack rules.

There is no reason to use a power fist or any other weapon for that matter on a model with Mark of the Wolfen.

Chongara wrote:
There is no reason to use a power fist or any other weapon for that matter on a model with Mark of the Wolfen.

Except a very expensive way of indulging in some would allocation shenanigans (if they have multiple wounds? haven't read the 'dex but seems that space wolves have everything else so why not multi-wound marines?)

please don't flame me if i'm wrong

JonSpencer14 wrote:Thank you "Lonekthx" for actually stating as to why or why not. I did look online and for other lists with Motw and a power fist and seen some that had used the d6+1 attackes on tournaments and it was approved. With all that aside and if you're correct do you choose which you use or does the Power Fist take over and it just becomes a waste of points?

You probably misunderstood those lists. GH can have one guy in a squad with PW or Fist, AND one guy in the squad with MotW. As noted, you COULD take them both on the same guy, but it'd be a waste of points since MotW would prevent the use of the Fist. However it's not at all uncommon to upgrade two different guys in the squad, so you have two HtH nasty dudes in the same unit. Heck, you can also attach a Wolf Guard from Elites and wind up with three HtH badasses in the squad!

Well, thank you for all your incite on the Motw and Power Fist! I recently started a Space Wolves army and I have yet to run a Motw with a Power Fist! Thank you for saving me the embarrassment! (Well in person anyway)

You're very welcome!

And welcome to Dakka, good sir. Thanks for joining us! I hope it's an enjoyable and useful place for you.

And thank you all very much for answering my question in so much detail, handy, no they wont stand a chance.