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Honestly, even I don't know what the hell I'm looking at right now It explains the skin prosthetics at least. I just feel like in it's comparative minimalism I've been out-Gaga-ed even greater than the more elaborate attempts. At this point I'm definitely giving BTW the most "video not relevant to song" points, though we'll see how my opinion changes. The old school sci-fi elements are fairly entertaining at least.



Umm... thoughts?

Absolute dog toffee. The song sounds more Madonna than Madonna as well!

I forgot.. why does she have a career at all?

Meh, didn't care for it.

Everything up to the song was cool, but the song was... not so great.

Also if she was born "perfect" why did she have all that stuff put under her skin.

Also, Also, put some cloths on girl. I mean what makes you think I want to see that much of your skin?.

I heard she is in fact a man.
Is this true?

I think this is relevant (embedded disabled so you gotta click to watch)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgOIEGz7o_s

"thats a man baby"

Well, we've got most of the basic objections/rumors out of the way now After a day I'm liking the video more. It indirectly comments on a lot of things that have been said about her in weird ways and is setting... something up. I don't think it lives up to the hype but the last two vids haven't either.

I don't think I've seen such an overly pretentious intro to a video since Michael Jackson's thriller - and we all know what a pedophile he turned out to be.

She's trying too hard to make statements instead of just making music (and letting that talk for her), which is what she's arguably good at.

I actually liked it, although I think MTV exec's will be pulling their hair out on where to cut it for general viewing.

Redbeard wrote:I don't think I've seen such an overly pretentious intro to a video since Michael Jackson's thriller - and we all know what a pedophile he turned out to be.

She's trying too hard to make statements instead of just making music (and letting that talk for her), which is what she's arguably good at.

In the case of this song in particular, it's meant to be a statement more than a song. The whole point was to create something like an anthem. Hopefully the rest of the new album is more like what you're saying, though at 20+ tracks there'd better be some good stuff in there We've already got a preview of the next vid here!

Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:I actually liked it, although I think MTV exec's will be pulling their hair out on where to cut it for general viewing.

No doubt Is alien birthing considered offensive?

I know that every time there's a "GaGa" thread I post how much she reminds me of Madonna...but...seriously..that song sounded a LOT like this IMO..




... It even has the same "Be who you are no matter what" mesage..not that that's a bad thing.
Basically...I've come to the conclusion that I am far to jaded to critique GaGa...her attempts at being shocking/relevant/OTT and poignant seem contrived and mundane to me...but then again..I've seen GG Allin live.

Definitely NSFW...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kT5zSoeOagg&feature=related

Redbeard wrote:I don't think I've seen such an overly pretentious intro to a video since Michael Jackson's thriller - and we all know what a pedophile he turned out to be.

Awesome reasoning!

I haven't watched the vid yet, nor will I.

I hear Kelly's Walk Away more than Express Yourself in the chorus, though the latter seems to be the popular comparison. The chord structures are similar but I still feel a different song, if only because they both strike me as two different kinds of campy.

Redbeard wrote:I don't think I've seen such an overly pretentious intro to a video since Michael Jackson's thriller - and we all know what a pedophile he turned out to be.

Hey! HEY!

Say what you will about the man, but you leave Thriller out of this.

Dreadwinter wrote:

Redbeard wrote:I don't think I've seen such an overly pretentious intro to a video since Michael Jackson's thriller - and we all know what a pedophile he turned out to be.

Hey! HEY!

Say what you will about the man, but you leave Thriller out of this.

is that what he called his gentlemens bits?

I'm still not sure if I like Gaga but this is being played over and over and over on our office radio so Its starting to get inside my head a little bit.

Another song (rather, a remix of a new song) has been made public!



Super special awesome! Love-love-love around 1:30

Edit: The ending of the track seems to adapt a very "New Order" by Blue Mondayish vibe. This track was taken from the bigger mix of a fashion show so it may actually be transitioning into the track as I think about it. We shall see though. If nothing else, maybe I called the new "copycat" claim

Got bored and gave up after 40s.

I don't care what anyone says, Gaga has a hot bod.

Amaya wrote:I don't care what anyone says, Gaga has a hot chod.

Fixed.



POW!

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Honestly, even I don't know what the hell I'm looking at right now It explains the skin prosthetics at least. I just feel like in it's comparative minimalism I've been out-Gaga-ed even greater than the more elaborate attempts. At this point I'm definitely giving BTW the most "video not relevant to song" points, though we'll see how my opinion changes. The old school sci-fi elements are fairly entertaining at least.

Spoiler:

Umm... thoughts?

Uh... what did I just listen to?

don't go for second best baby... oh wait... which one of these is "second best" I get so confused with my decades.

Albatross wrote:

Amaya wrote:I don't care what anyone says, Gaga has a hot chod.

Fixed.



POW!

You sick bastard, why would you make me google that?

Burn it to the GROUND

The ironic thing is if there was no lady gaga, and we saw that opening cinematic before the song actually begins as a movie trailer before some lame Transformers movie half the people slagging her would be saying how awesome it and intriguing it looks, etc., etc.

I offer as proof the waves of nerdgasms over Suker Punch...

Gaga hate is so passe at this point.

mattyrm wrote:Absolute dog toffee. The song sounds more Madonna than Madonna as well!

Gaga copies Madonna and other 'artists' more than she is original.

Redbeard wrote:I don't think I've seen such an overly pretentious intro to a video since Michael Jackson's thriller - and we all know what a pedophile he turned out to be.

She's trying too hard to make statements instead of just making music (and letting that talk for her), which is what she's arguably good at.

Also, has anyone actually listened to the opening words befoe this song? When you distill everything in this video the conclusion is this: Gaga and this video TRY to be something that they obviously are not...

The pseudo sci-fi, even the vocabulary is slapped together.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Another song (rather, a remix of a new song) has been made public!



Super special awesome! Love-love-love around 1:30

Edit: The ending of the track seems to adapt a very "New Order" by Blue Mondayish vibe. This track was taken from the bigger mix of a fashion show so it may actually be transitioning into the track as I think about it. We shall see though. If nothing else, maybe I called the new "copycat" claim

Pfft!!! Sounds like Madonna meets Nine Inch Nails. By the way, Cannerus, your avatar makes me feel like a pedo.

warpcrafter wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Another song (rather, a remix of a new song) has been made public!



Super special awesome! Love-love-love around 1:30

Edit: The ending of the track seems to adapt a very "New Order" by Blue Mondayish vibe. This track was taken from the bigger mix of a fashion show so it may actually be transitioning into the track as I think about it. We shall see though. If nothing else, maybe I called the new "copycat" claim

Pfft!!! Sounds like Madonna meets Nine Inch Nails. By the way, Cannerus, your avatar makes me feel like a pedo.

Im still not certain about his avatar... however, saw an awesome YouTube mix with that same character in it... Lazy mixed with Lil John

Ok, so I finally gave in and watched the video.

*sigh*

The problem I have with Gaga is that she COULD be totally awesome. She has a platform to really shake things up, and a make a real statement - she is the new breed of modern popstar, in which authenticity and 'realness' are (rightly, in my opinion) considered passe and irrelevant. Her image, and to certain extent, her ethos, embody this.

But where she falls down is her music - it's not particularly terrible, it's just 'meh'. The REALLY frustrating thing is that it doesn't have to be! She could really start pushing some boudaries, like I said, she has a platform now, and she certainly has the musical talent. I was momentarily excited by the song in the first few seconds; I thought is was going to be a brutally minimalist neo-pop record, with a really harsh soundscape. What I got sounded a bit like Madonna (again), and there were snatches of melody that reminded me of 'Waterfalls' by TLC. Just average pop music. So frustrating.

The intro to the video was pretty similar - it could have been great, but they just half-arsed it. It was a good idea, but as someone else said, it seemed a bit 'generic sci-fi' slapped together.

It's a shame, because she has the potential to be a great artist. Personally, it seems that she's either taking terrible advice, or on the flip-side, taking no advice or surrounding herself with sycophants who won't tell her when something isn't quite up to scratch.

AvatarForm wrote:

mattyrm wrote:Absolute dog toffee. The song sounds more Madonna than Madonna as well!

Gaga copies Madonna and other 'artists' more than she is original.

warpcrafter wrote:Pfft!!! Sounds like Madonna meets Nine Inch Nails. By the way, Cannerus, your avatar makes me feel like a pedo.

I have a new challenge here Name an original artist.

AvatarForm wrote:

Redbeard wrote:I don't think I've seen such an overly pretentious intro to a video since Michael Jackson's thriller - and we all know what a pedophile he turned out to be.

She's trying too hard to make statements instead of just making music (and letting that talk for her), which is what she's arguably good at.

Also, has anyone actually listened to the opening words befoe this song? When you distill everything in this video the conclusion is this: Gaga and this video TRY to be something that they obviously are not...

The pseudo sci-fi, even the vocabulary is slapped together.

Albatross wrote:The intro to the video was pretty similar - it could have been great, but they just half-arsed it. It was a good idea, but as someone else said, it seemed a bit 'generic sci-fi' slapped together.

It involves a fair number of Gaga-isms from the past. It was the evolution of the manifesto, which was interesting to see; it was also intentionally campy. This vid feels more honest to me and let's itself be itself if that registers at all. It feels a bit less pretentious to me in that regard. Also bear in mind this is a sci-fi forum critiquing the quality of sci-fi, which is a little bit different of a situation.

Albatross wrote:Ok, so I finally gave in and watched the video.

*sigh*

The problem I have with Gaga is that she COULD be totally awesome. She has a platform to really shake things up, and a make a real statement - she is the new breed of modern popstar, in which authenticity and 'realness' are (rightly, in my opinion) considered passe and irrelevant. Her image, and to certain extent, her ethos, embody this.

But where she falls down is her music - it's not particularly terrible, it's just 'meh'. The REALLY frustrating thing is that it doesn't have to be! She could really start pushing some boudaries, like I said, she has a platform now, and she certainly has the musical talent. I was momentarily excited by the song in the first few seconds; I thought is was going to be a brutally minimalist neo-pop record, with a really harsh soundscape. What I got sounded a bit like Madonna (again), and there were snatches of melody that reminded me of 'Waterfalls' by TLC. Just average pop music. So frustrating.

I don't necessarily see the same issue here. She does shake things up as far as pop goes. Compare Gaga now to what Britney had become. There are worlds improvement and innovation in between. If you played 3 distinct subgenres of metal for many people, they would only hear "metal" or "heavy rock" and in many cases wouldn't hear a big enough difference to tell you if they're in different subgenres or not. If you take your average clubbing gay dude who just loves his pop singers, Gaga is shaking up the entire universe. This is terribly progressive, just not your flavor. Make sense? Also, I want to hear what Madonna song Government Hooker sounds like because I get the feeling people are just defaulting to that one out of bias

Albatross wrote:It's a shame, because she has the potential to be a great artist. Personally, it seems that she's either taking terrible advice, or on the flip-side, taking no advice or surrounding herself with sycophants who won't tell her when something isn't quite up to scratch.

I believe it is largely her vision. I also love the fact. I'd rather see one person be able to splash their creative mind on a world-wide canvas and get an unadulterated vision than have someone else interjecting their essence when it's unwanted. I obviously don't believe she does 100% of everything she's involved with, but I think she still bears creative control.

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

I have a new challenge here Name an original artist.

Primus. I dare you to find any band who came before then who you could point to and say "They're ripping them off."

warpcrafter wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

I have a new challenge here Name an original artist.

Primus. I dare you to find any band who came before then who you could point to and say "They're ripping them off."

If you play any old funk album in fast forward you hear pretty much the same thing In all fairness though, I hear some Chili Peppers which were the same time frame and (obviously) a bit of Rush. Try naming one from the past 10 years how-about.