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So I enjoy running a Narrative between me and a mate in my local gaming group. He's playing Necrons and I'm Crimson Fists. I thought it would be cool as part of the backstory to introduce an adept of Mars who is very interesting in getting his hands/claws/servo-harness onto the Necron remains with the plan to effectively reverse engineer some/all of it for the good of the Imperium.

While I know, my story, my rules effectively, I do like staying within canon for a better feel, and I can't find anywhere if Necron Technology is considered Heretical in the same way Tau tech is. I know there has been use of Necron Tech in the past with C'tan phase swords and such, but I guess I'm asking how widespread is this is this, and how much does the Mechanicum feel in regards to incorporating Xeno tech for their own purposes?

Any source books or material would be very helpful as well btw

Thanks in advance.

AFAIK a lot of the mechanicus think the Necrons are basically the Omisiah.
Though some of them understand that the Necrons are not a good thing.

purplefood wrote:AFAIK a lot of the mechanicus think the Necrons are basically the Omisiah.
Though some of them understand that the Necrons are not a good thing.

It is heretical to beilieve Necrons are the Omnissiah. Some do believe and go off and seek them however. Some , not a lot.

It's widely accepted the Emperor is the Omnisiah/mortal repressentation of the Omnisiah.

purplefood wrote:AFAIK a lot of the mechanicus think the Necrons are basically the Omnissiah.
Though some of them understand that the Necrons are not a good thing.

Other way around.

Some of the Mechanicus think the Necrons are the Omnissiah or emissaries thereof.

Most of the Mechanicus, however, realize they're just highly advanced Xenos constructs.

As for the OP's question:

An Astartes Techmarine wouldn't be interested in 'reverse-engineering' Necron tech. They're very, very strict-minded about that. They'll recover it from the battlefield and turn it over to the Ordo Xenos, but not the Mechanicus.

Would it be feasible that upon hearing an encounter the Mechanicus could petition to request the remains of any Necrons destroyed or any tech they find?

Ehh.

Not really. From the vague way it's been explained:

All alien tech is confiscated and studied by the Ordo Xenos and individual Mechanicum officials who have ties to the Ordo Xenos.

The only time the Mechanicum can really throw their weight around in these circumstances is if they suspect a Standard Template Construct is involved.

Well, I say anything is possible- a rogue techmarine can happen. Marines go rogue reasonably often- usually falling to chaos, but in this case, it could be the lure of xenos tech. I think it's a pretty good arc.
I also love having a running narrative with a friend, really adds to the battles!

Getting ahold of necron remains is difficult, though, as they have a habit of vanishing. It's possible, with a blag, like an anti-teleportation device.

That would make a good objective, with the necrons looking to destroy it and the marines protecting it.

You could run a game with necrons unable to teleport within 6'' of the generator.

Kanluwen wrote:All alien tech is confiscated and studied by the Ordo Xenos and individual Mechanicum officials who have ties to the Ordo Xenos.

That assumes the finder turns it over in the first place. A chapter with strong Mechanicus ties might turn artifacts over as long as the Tech-Adepts receiving them don't make too much noise. Inquisitors are few and far between once you get down to it, and accidents sometimes happen to those that find out too much.

Hey im building a dark mechanicus/rouge mechanicus force...

But with seeing some of the new GK stats and rules.... Seems like i'll be in a world of hurt.

Not to be a (you know) like a certain man who is of goat origin, I was wondering if maybe i could cound this army as crons when they come out? they have heavily converted weapons that aren't standard imperial anyways, think pew pew 50's raygun.

Kanluwen wrote:Ehh.

Not really. From the vague way it's been explained:

All alien tech is confiscated and studied by the Ordo Xenos and individual Mechanicum officials who have ties to the Ordo Xenos.

The only time the Mechanicum can really throw their weight around in these circumstances is if they suspect a Standard Template Construct is involved.

Actually there is a scenario in some WD in which the marines have to save a Magos who has gone to Necron tombs because he changed the activation codes for cyclonic torpedoes.

Anyway it officially ends by Imperial victory.

Seeing as the Necrons are actually constructs created by the C'tan to house the souls of a long-extinct alien race and they're made of a living material called Necrodermis, they rest firmly in the jurisdiction of the ordos Xenos and occasionally Malleus.

I believe that the Adeptus Mechanicus has gotten ahold of necron tech before, and attempted to make their own gauss weaponry.

The Admech has immense power, as much as the Inquisition or even more in some cases.

I think when xeno tech is involved its mroe of a case of finders keepers.

Isn't the Void Dragon, supposedly the machine god anyway?

That's one possibility.

The Necron codex hints strongly that he is, but then the necron codex hints strongly in all sorts of directions

I've seen a decently compelling argument that the Machine God is the Eldar Forge God Vaul. Or an interesting argument, at least.

EmilCrane wrote:I believe that the Adeptus Mechanicus has gotten ahold of necron tech before, and attempted to make their own gauss weaponry.

The Admech has immense power, as much as the Inquisition or even more in some cases.

I think when xeno tech is involved its mroe of a case of finders keepers.

Admech has titan legions, GK's can gak themselves

In the ultramarines novels the sgt has neuron metal as a arm for a while didn't he? Then they both had to pass purity tests after being in the eye of terror and the sgthad to prove he wasn't corrupted by the neuron arm I think. It has also been said if you hit a necron with a c'tan phase sword it well be reabsorbed, so the mechanics must have at least some xp with necron tech

not a regular Necron.

If you hit a Ctan with a Ctan weapon it absorbs it, disarming the attacker, but regular necrons just die like anyone else

Fear the Alien, Ambition Knows No Bounds, Andy Hoare, page 181:

Satisfied that no immediate danger presented itself, Brielle used the control to
cycle through a range of settings, the sight before her changing from one of vivid
green hues to another of black with violet highlights, to yet another of purest white
with shadows of turquoise. She paused on a vista of deep greens, seeing on the
curved wall nearby an intricately carved icon. She stepped closer, aware that Quin
did likewise. The icon was revealed to be a series of circles and lines, joined together
into what must surely have been some long dead alien script.
“Joachim.” She turned to address her advisor, and he stepped forwards, past
Santos Quin, who grunted as he stepped aside. “Set your readers to sigma-twelve,
and look at this.”
Joachim, his goggles already lowered, reached to his helmet and adjusted the
controls. A moment later, his head scanned the walls of the corridor.
“I’ve never seen its like, ma’am,” Joachim Hep replied after a long pause.
“Though it puts me in mind of...”
“Of what?” Brielle replied, uncertain she wanted to hear her advisor’s answer.
“Of the machine scripts of the servants of the Omnissiah, ma’am.”
“But this place is ancient,” Brielle answered, as much to assuage her own
uncertainties as to answer her advisor. “It predates the Mechanicus by countless
millennia. There can be no connection.”
“Quite, ma’am,” Hep replied, nodding gravely to Brielle.

Fury_00011 wrote:In the ultramarines novels the sgt has neuron metal as a arm for a while didn't he? Then they both had to pass purity tests after being in the eye of terror and the sgthad to prove he wasn't corrupted by the neuron arm I think. It has also been said if you hit a necron with a c'tan phase sword it well be reabsorbed, so the mechanics must have at least some xp with necron tech

He had lost the arm by that point but they both had to prove they were pure.
He also got told off a lot when they got home... and the demoted... and then promoted in the next book.

Ya dosent the half breed war smith have his arm now I forget his name

Fury_00011 wrote:Ya dosent the half breed war smith have his arm now I forget his name

Honsou. I do not recall what constitutes the halves being explained.

UselessSage wrote:

Fury_00011 wrote:Ya dosent the half breed war smith have his arm now I forget his name

Honsou. I do not recall what constitutes the halves being explained.

He was called half breed because he was created from the Daemonculaba from Loyalist gene-seed.
At least that is what i thought.

EmilCrane wrote:I believe that the Adeptus Mechanicus has gotten ahold of necron tech before, and attempted to make their own gauss weaponry.

The Admech has immense power, as much as the Inquisition or even more in some cases.

I think when xeno tech is involved its mroe of a case of finders keepers.

They've always got a hold of gauss technology,read Necron Codex,they said that they could make a Gauss weaponry,but the weapon would consume too much power.

I'm pretty sure the word 'theoretically' is in there on that.

I think you also mean already, rather than always

I'll check my codex when I get home and get back to you :0)

I could be wrong

Ascalam wrote:I'm pretty sure the word 'theoretically' is in there on that.

I think you also mean already, rather than always

I'll check my codex when I get home and get back to you :0)

I could be wrong

I mean that they always had gauss technology.Necrons just use it in a different way and their gauss technology iis much more effective.

purplefood wrote:

UselessSage wrote:

Fury_00011 wrote:Ya dosent the half breed war smith have his arm now I forget his name

Honsou. I do not recall what constitutes the halves being explained.

He was called half breed because he was created from the Daemonculaba from Loyalist gene-seed.
At least that is what i thought.

Ya he was part Iron warrior part emperial fist I believe.

From the fluff stuff on pg 54 of the codex it would seem to say that they're trying to figure out how gauss tech works. They have the theory, but actually making it work is a 'mathematical impossibility'

Whenever they have tried the trigger welds itself shut and the weapon breaks. They don't know how the Necrons do it. They do not have a working necron gun to study and are basically guessing.

The phrase you might be thinking of is the comment that the destroyer cannon's beam punches through both sides of a landraider without any deflection, which would require the kind of power source you'd only find on a titan or spaceship. They have no idea how the necrons can mount it on a jetbike

I see nothing in the codex to indicate the AdMech have gauss tech, or the imperium as a whole, but more that they are totally baffled by it and would love to get ahold of it...