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Well with the GK around the corner is it time to put the demons on the shelf and start focusing more on my DE? At least 3-4 guys in my local meta are starting GK and with everything I've heard is seems like Demons will have a very steep uphill battle against GK.

I would say don't be a wuss. My Nids had essentially the same problem when DE were released. Just man up, play the game, and understand that GK are only one possible army out of well over a dozen that you can encounter.

I didn't know DE made Nids auto misshap when you deepstrike within 12" of them. I didn't know DE had weapons that ignore your whole armies save. I didn't know DE had units that reduced leadership in a radius there by nullifying one of your more competitve builds(Fateweaver). I didn't know any of that I'm sorry you've had to struggle with all of that you brave brave soul....

Use your demons as CSM lesser summoned at least, dust covered demons are sad demons.

DE have ubiquitous weapons that ignore Tyranids high T, that mess with psykers, that are basically custom built to destroy stuff like MC's and Tyranid Warriors. Nids have a tough time with DE.

As for Daemons, I'd play a few games first.

DE Destroys Monstrous builds but nids are capable of making swarms as well. Plus they just wound easier, Nids still largely got their armor saves. Chaos Daemons though have their entire army gimped, there is no "alternate" build that can migate the GK's special effects. It's similar to the DE Vs Nids dilema, but way more severe.

@Hückleberry : dont let those lousy GK win, stick to your Demons, if you give up then they have already proved that they are way cooler and neato than you, so what that they have abunch of new spiffy rules just to make your life hell ( no pun intended ), you will just have to adapt and think outside the box....go after the player using them.

Get a sexy member of the opposite sex of your GK oponent, and have him/her/it distract said player..while distracted grab his mini's nd repalce them with you own figs, or demon spawn, or my little ponies, or just eat them ( now thats Chaotic )

Gibber alot and toss crushed up cheetos at his army.

Talk to your models....alot and tell them it will be ok, it helps thier morale.

on a serious note just keep on using the army you enjoy, and be damned what other people use...after all I play Tau

It would be funny though if you manage to mutate Draigo into a spawn.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:It would be funny though if you manage to mutate Draigo into a spawn.

Draigo spawn is my new goal with demons!

Hückleberry wrote:Well with the GK around the corner is it time to put the demons on the shelf and start focusing more on my DE? At least 3-4 guys in my local meta are starting GK and with everything I've heard is seems like Demons will have a very steep uphill battle against GK.

Or you can quit with this competitive prattle, and just play the game for fun. Have your opponents make lists that COMPLIMENT yours, create scenarios with good narratives, maybe even a campaign, and see what kind of wonderful stories you can get from your battles.

But most likely your opponents are WAAC gits, will probably meta game to beat you, and ruin your fun.

Go Dark Eldar

I just had to do this:



Funny thing, the part of his head that connects to the Hood actually made the attaching of his head to the spawn body seemless XD

BuFFo wrote:

Or you can quit with this competitive prattle, and just play the game for fun. Have your opponents make lists that COMPLIMENT yours, create scenarios with good narratives, maybe even a campaign, and see what kind of wonderful stories you can get from your battles.

But most likely your opponents are WAAC gits, will probably meta game to beat you, and ruin your fun.

Go Dark Eldar

Meh we don't really have a WAAC guy at our local meta but we do like to be competitive as we do travel around the local area and play in tournies and such and as always when a new power armor codex comes out the bandwagoners jump on it so I'm figuring I will be running into them a lot more in my travels.

Keep them worst case could always use them in fantasy.

Relish the opportunity to play an uphill battle! It can only make you better at the game.

Daemons really need some sort of stealth FAQ buff. Something like changing Bloodcrushers to Calvary, making Fateweaver's leadership unmodifiable, or granting some sort of WBB from the warp against GKs.

Lets not please. Fatecrusher is already one of the least fun armies to play against, lets not make it any less fun for those that aren't playing GK's.

cyrax777 wrote:Keep them worst case could always use them in fantasy.

I definatley plan on keeping them. I will never sell another army again after selling my 3rd edition DE raider spam army :(. Codex: Chaos Daemons 2015!!!

Gibber alot and toss crushed up cheetos at his army.

Cheetos sounds too similar to cheaters which may cause problems.
May I suggest swapping Cheetos with Khornflakes?

Not sure if milk and sugar would help or hinder your cause.

Take the following steps:

1)Run a Bloodthirster and a couple of Khorne Daemon Princes with Blessing of the Blood God.
2)Point out your GK opponent's rule concerning Nemesis Weapons.
3)???
4)Enjoy the GK player's screeches of cheese as you roll your +2 invul saves(ie Profit).

Hückleberry wrote:Draigo spawn is my new goal with demons!

What he said.

Hückleberry wrote:I didn't know DE made Nids auto misshap when you deepstrike within 12" of them. I didn't know DE had weapons that ignore your whole armies save. I didn't know DE had units that reduced leadership in a radius there by nullifying one of your more competitve builds(Fateweaver). I didn't know any of that I'm sorry you've had to struggle with all of that you brave brave soul....

I wasn't trying to flame or troll you, but I can certainly see how it came off like that...I guess I needed some smilies in the post.

Anyway, while no, we don't have to contend with those particular issues, in all-comers lists, we do have to deal with:

- masses of poisoned weapons that tear apart our hordes, elites (t4-t6 multiwound models), and mcs with almost equal ease
- masses of darklight weapons that ID our elites, and wound our mcs on a 2+ while ignoring their armor and FnP
- a competative DE army can almost entirely outrange a Nid army which isn't all that bad except..
- a competative DE army can almost entirely out manuever a Nid army.

Generally speaking, Nids can't outshoot DE, and we can't get in close enough, quickly enough to pull you into combat on our terms. The DE army can neutralize every strength we have while picking us apart almost at their leisure.

I don't want to stray too far OT, so getting back to the point, not every army is going to be GK, not even the majority. If you can't accept that once in awhile the odds will be stacked against you, then certainly play another army and have a blast with it. Personally, I like having the uphill battle once in awhile. It can get tedious if it happens all the time though (hence why my crons have spent more games in the foam rather than on the table). Do whatever you have fun with imo.

Unless the GK player purposely tailors their list against daemons (i.e. they take a lot of things that are not that useful against other armies. If they want to, they can take wargear that totally screws daemons, but i don't think it will be in most competitive lists), then the only things you need to worry about are:

Preferred enemy: Yeah, it sucks. Nothing you can do about it. Bring Skarbrand or w/e the guy's name is who gives everyone re-rolls and you'll be even, lol.

Dark Communion: Librarian and dread knight spell that removes all demonic gifts from 1 unit in a assault. This is scary, but can be worked around by making sure you assault dreadknights with more then one unit, so it can only debuff 1 at a time. For example, if you charge 1 dreadknight with a group of juggernaughts, if the DK gets his spell off, chances are you will not be able to kill it. If he fails the spell, or you charge him with 2 units of juggernaughts he will die in 1 turn (5+ invuls suck)

Nemisis weapons. All they do is make you take a LD test when you are wounded. Yes, you can fail these, but statistically, you won't fail very many. Other than that, nemesis weapons are power weapons...and daemons usually just have invuls anyway. Your little units won't even care about these, since they only have on wound anyway.

Servo-skulls and Warp-Quake: Servo skulls are placed anywhere that is not their enemy's deployment zone before the game starts and basically create a 24" bubble you cannot deepstrike in. SOOOO...if the GK player takes a lot for them, they can pretty much force you to far away from them. This sucks, but there is not much you can do about it. Warp-Quake shuts down your icons within 12" and causes anyone deepstriking within 12" of the unit to mishap... these suck, but you'll just have to hope the GK player doesn't buy too many skulls, forgets to cast warpquake, or just deep-strike away from him.

There are other things in the codex that are scary, but for the most part they have to be bought with points, and since most of them only apply to deamons and psykers, chances are you wont see them in competitive, "all comers" lists, so my point is that daemons should not be TOO bothered by the new GKs.

They are scary, but they are also still marines, and most daemon units eat marines, and daemon player just need to play smart (which, honestly, considering the daemon codex, they have to do anyway).

Oh, and if GK players are tailoring their lists just to fight your daemons, just take them outside and beat them to death with a bag of doorknobs. For, you know, the blood god.


I would actually say that the army that is the most screwed by the GK codex is nids. They do not have eternal warrior...so all it takes is 1 unsaved wound from a nemesis weapon and a passed psychic test to kill any monstrous creature in their army. Their only hope is shadow in the warp, but even that won't protect them every time.

You bring hordes of bugs? No problem, GKs have purifiers (which are likely to be in most lists), which have a psychic power that wounds all enemy units in the assault on a 4+....so, you have 20 gaunts? Well, now 10 are wounded...and 8-9 of them will fail their saves...so you just lost half the unit before the combat even began. Sad.

Skarbrand does actually make his points back, since the rerolls for GKs renders his rule's only detriment nonexistant (to a degree).

@maelstrom808 Yeah I usually don't let a new codex bother me but with 4-5 of the "regulars" starting GK at my LFGS I will more than likely be playing them at some point. I'm sorry if I came off as rude. I'll give them a few more tourneys in the new GK era and see what happens.

I hope you don't shelve them totally. I want to try my hand at daemonslaying some day with my ultras!

I know very well that "Well hell. I guess my army might be obsolete." feeling though. Staring at the 5th ed SW and BA codices, and then eyeballing my Ultramarines rules....It does make me fantasize about chucking my metal hive tyrant at the head of whoever is responsible. I have a laundry list of things that one or both of them do better than I can and not too many where I have a real, honest to goodness trick they can't emulate playing ultramarines, rather than SCing it up and playing white scars/salamanders/raven guard painted like ultramarines....In which case I might as well just go grab the BA/SW dex off the FLGS shelf and run them that way. Frankly I don't care much for either the BA or SW. I'm stubborn and I like my space-romans with a penchant for vanilla ice cream and unusually bad naming conventions(Blue guys calling themselves Ultramarines? From Ultramar? Really?) . So I stick with their rules.

Besides...It feels so much better to win or maul the other force with the underdog (Real or percieved) than it does to utterly table them with the latest and greatest ubercheese army list. Not that i'm above having my WAAC moments at all, but that doesn't change the above.

Lets wait till the new GK codex is out and people start showing up at the tables with the new armies and see how it goes. I had planned to come down when our FLGS had the black box in to take a peek at the GKs, rumors i'm hearing bug me pretty hard too...But I think both of us would do pretty well to keep to our plan A of "Punch their dudes in the face really hard" and plan B of "Shoot their dudes in the face a lot" ...if neither of those work, you can borrow my land raider and run them over with it. I'm sure we can fit a bloodthirster in there somehow.

I'm going to have a damn good go at beating a Grey Knight gamer with my army.

My tactic would be to keep the plaguebearers infront of the bloodletters.

Then if they want to shoot the bloodletters then at least the bloodletters get a cover save.

And if they shoot the plaguebearers they have FNP and T5 making them hold out a little.

Bloodletters can bring down the terminators and there can't be too many in their army.

The Dreadknight can still be wounded on a 6+ so it'd be a battle of attrition which you might survive.

It's templates and deepstriking that will be the problem but this still seems to be the best way in my mind to get through it.

I plan on the new GK release as a challange I shall rise too with my daemons.

Although I still personally think my Bloodthirster will rip my mates soon-to-be-fielded Dreadknight to scrap, we'll have to wait and see. This is nothing more than a event to make the Daemon players (as few as we are) invent more creative lists, styles and tactics or already have our precious numbers cut.

Blessing of the Blood God on my Bloodthirster should be fun to see in action.

Hückleberry wrote:Blessing of the Blood God on my Bloodthirster should be fun to see in action.

Until an Inquisitor or Dreadknight points at him and it goes away thanks to Dark Excommunication... unless the BotBG does the same thing that it does to Khârn in the CSM book...

Read Shep's recent GK bat reps. He played against a demon army and it was an uphill battle FOR THE GREY KNIGHTS. He actually conceded in the end.