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I would be fascinated by a fimir team, and I would normally say it would never happen, but then they now have a zoat card, and I reckon one of the rumour engine pics is of the model

   
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Given that Blood Bowl once had rules for teams from Judge Dress, I wouldn't totally rule Sigmarines out. I hope not, though.

The 2020 edition is due too an offhand comment from Cyanide, the computer game folks, isn't it? Blood Bowl 3 is due out next year and they said it would be compatible with the new edition.
   
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I would love a Fimir team...Meargh as a coach and/or apothecary. That would be fun.

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Could do they AoS teams like Sigmarine and portray them as heels? Invaders from another realm here to show their superiority over the local fan favorites?

 
   
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 AduroT wrote:
Could do they AoS teams like Sigmarine and portray them as heels? Invaders from another realm here to show their superiority over the local fan favorites?


They could do 40k teams as well using that plot.
   
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They could also do another sports game set in AOS based off of Baseball with the Sigmarine Abner DoubleDaylight having invented the rules.

Or a Seraphon sports program SSW (Seraphon Space Wrestling) with teams of Lucia libre lizardmen competing in the Grand Slaan tournament where oldbloods wrestle Kroxigors to see who gets to keep the masks.

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 Graphite wrote:
Given that Blood Bowl once had rules for teams from Judge Dress, I wouldn't totally rule Sigmarines out. I hope not, though.

The 2020 edition is due too an offhand comment from Cyanide, the computer game folks, isn't it? Blood Bowl 3 is due out next year and they said it would be compatible with the new edition.


True but that's way back when and GW have moved on a fair bit. They do get asked about Stormcast in Blood bowl fairly regularly and the answer to date has been that they have no plans or desire to add them.

The 2020 Edition is still up in the air. Cyanide accidentally leaked Blood Bowl 3 for next year but when they say in line with the "New" Edition, they might actually be referring to the 2016 BB release as BB2 is still running from the LR6 ruleset. Something may be lost in translation and nobody has confirmed or denied anything yet. Wouldn't rule it out but Andy H has made a point of statimg that they don't want to mess about with the core rules particularly, just evaluate some of the rosters.
   
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JimmyWolf87 wrote:
 Graphite wrote:
Given that Blood Bowl once had rules for teams from Judge Dress, I wouldn't totally rule Sigmarines out. I hope not, though.

The 2020 edition is due too an offhand comment from Cyanide, the computer game folks, isn't it? Blood Bowl 3 is due out next year and they said it would be compatible with the new edition.


True but that's way back when and GW have moved on a fair bit. They do get asked about Stormcast in Blood bowl fairly regularly and the answer to date has been that they have no plans or desire to add them.

The 2020 Edition is still up in the air. Cyanide accidentally leaked Blood Bowl 3 for next year but when they say in line with the "New" Edition, they might actually be referring to the 2016 BB release as BB2 is still running from the LR6 ruleset. Something may be lost in translation and nobody has confirmed or denied anything yet. Wouldn't rule it out but Andy H has made a point of statimg that they don't want to mess about with the core rules particularly, just evaluate some of the rosters.


Correct.

Blood Bowl 2 is based on the LRB 6 that predates Blood Bowl 2016 (the current boardgame).

Blood Bowl 3 will be based on the Blood Bowl 2016 rules and rosters.

Sigmarites will not be added to Blood Bowl.

AoS in general will not be popping up in Blood Bowl.

Blood Bowl draws from the original Warhammer Fantasy, and an alternate version of it at that.

The original Blood Bowl 1st Edition featured things like Judge Dredd because it was a somewhat inconsequential sidegame at the time (1984?).

So for reference, it would be best to consider Blood Bowl 2nd Edition, 3rd Edition, the ensuing Living Rulebooks that followed, limited elements of Warhammer Fantasy Battle and the two Blood Bowl computer games as the gospel. This should help people avoid wondering whether things like Sigmarites will be added. (They won't.)
   
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 ekwatts wrote:
JimmyWolf87 wrote:


So for reference, it would be best to consider Blood Bowl 2nd Edition, 3rd Edition, the ensuing Living Rulebooks that followed, limited elements of Warhammer Fantasy Battle and the two Blood Bowl computer games as the gospel. This should help people avoid wondering whether things like Sigmarites will be added. (They won't.)


I wouldn't consider it the 'gospel' as such at this point (though I broadly agree with your other points). We're in this wierd transition phase where the older rules are getting gradually phased out in the tournament scene as the NAF absorbs the newer GW elements into their system (star players getting swapped in and out etc.). It's only the Inducements and Piling On changes that have been ignored. GW are still the 'Official' source of rulings whilst the NAF are sort of arbitrators of tournaments and widely still recognised as such (GW tacitly seem to accept this as it's basically free promotion of their product and the lead designer maintains a pretty consistent relationship with the active playing community).

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I think it's pretty certain that BB3 will be based upon a new edition, not the 2016 ruleset. Given then rumblings and titbits in the BB community.
   
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JimmyWolf87 wrote:
 ekwatts wrote:


So for reference, it would be best to consider Blood Bowl 2nd Edition, 3rd Edition, the ensuing Living Rulebooks that followed, limited elements of Warhammer Fantasy Battle and the two Blood Bowl computer games as the gospel. This should help people avoid wondering whether things like Sigmarites will be added. (They won't.)


I wouldn't consider it the 'gospel' as such at this point (though I broadly agree with your other points). We're in this wierd transition phase where the older rules are getting gradually phased out in the tournament scene as the NAF absorbs the newer GW elements into their system (star players getting swapped in and out etc.). It's only the Inducements and Piling On changes that have been ignored. GW are still the 'Official' source of rulings whilst the NAF are sort of arbitrators of tournaments and widely still recognised as such (GW tacitly seem to accept this as it's basically free promotion of their product and the lead designer maintains a pretty consistent relationship with the active playing community).


What I mean by that is, if anything "new" is going to emerge for the current edition of Blood Bowl, it's most likely going to be linked, or inspired by, to the sources I mentioned. Not that anything from those sources (ie: specifically rules), rather than "outside" sources such as AoS. I'm really talking about the overall fluff more than anything else.

For example: Sigmarites don't exist in Blood Bowl and they never will. Zoats, however, in spite of not having been a big presence in prior editions of Blood Bowl, if at all, are present and part of Warhammer Fantasy. So they can be included.

So as far as "new" teams are concerned, you're looking at the sources I mentioned rather than things like AoS or 40k. That simply isn't going to happen and isn't worth discussing. However, it's entirely possible that we might get teams like the Khorne team from BB1: Chaos Edition, or even the Kislev team from BB2. These additions are justifiable in the accepted fluff sources above. Sea Elves are another possibility that was mentioned above.


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Vorian wrote:
I think it's pretty certain that BB3 will be based upon a new edition, not the 2016 ruleset. Given then rumblings and titbits in the BB community.


That's not certain at all.

The "new" edition of Blood Bowl referred to in the BB3 announcement is literally referring to Blood Bowl 2016, since it was released AFTER Blood Bowl 2, which was based on the LRB6 rules.

The "rumblings" appear to be based on a misunderstanding of the above as a result of the (admittedly poor) wording of the BB3 announcement.

I'm not saying GW will NOT release a new version of the Blood Bowl boardgame/rules at some point. But considering the timelines I mentioned above, there's absolutely no evidence that it's on the horizon beyond the BB3 announcement (which is translated from French, by the way).

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 Theophony wrote:
They could also do another sports game set in AOS based off of Baseball with the Sigmarine Abner DoubleDaylight having invented the rules.

Or a Seraphon sports program SSW (Seraphon Space Wrestling) with teams of Lucia libre lizardmen competing in the Grand Slaan tournament where oldbloods wrestle Kroxigors to see who gets to keep the masks.


A Blood Bowl version of Rumbleslam? I would be interested!

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 ekwatts wrote:
JimmyWolf87 wrote:
 ekwatts wrote:


So for reference, it would be best to consider Blood Bowl 2nd Edition, 3rd Edition, the ensuing Living Rulebooks that followed, limited elements of Warhammer Fantasy Battle and the two Blood Bowl computer games as the gospel. This should help people avoid wondering whether things like Sigmarites will be added. (They won't.)


I wouldn't consider it the 'gospel' as such at this point (though I broadly agree with your other points). We're in this wierd transition phase where the older rules are getting gradually phased out in the tournament scene as the NAF absorbs the newer GW elements into their system (star players getting swapped in and out etc.). It's only the Inducements and Piling On changes that have been ignored. GW are still the 'Official' source of rulings whilst the NAF are sort of arbitrators of tournaments and widely still recognised as such (GW tacitly seem to accept this as it's basically free promotion of their product and the lead designer maintains a pretty consistent relationship with the active playing community).


What I mean by that is, if anything "new" is going to emerge for the current edition of Blood Bowl, it's most likely going to be linked, or inspired by, to the sources I mentioned. Not that anything from those sources (ie: specifically rules), rather than "outside" sources such as AoS. I'm really talking about the overall fluff more than anything else.

For example: Sigmarites don't exist in Blood Bowl and they never will. Zoats, however, in spite of not having been a big presence in prior editions of Blood Bowl, if at all, are present and part of Warhammer Fantasy. So they can be included.

So as far as "new" teams are concerned, you're looking at the sources I mentioned rather than things like AoS or 40k. That simply isn't going to happen and isn't worth discussing. However, it's entirely possible that we might get teams like the Khorne team from BB1: Chaos Edition, or even the Kislev team from BB2. These additions are justifiable in the accepted fluff sources above. Sea Elves are another possibility that was mentioned above.


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Vorian wrote:
I think it's pretty certain that BB3 will be based upon a new edition, not the 2016 ruleset. Given then rumblings and titbits in the BB community.


That's not certain at all.

The "new" edition of Blood Bowl referred to in the BB3 announcement is literally referring to Blood Bowl 2016, since it was released AFTER Blood Bowl 2, which was based on the LRB6 rules.

The "rumblings" appear to be based on a misunderstanding of the above as a result of the (admittedly poor) wording of the BB3 announcement.

I'm not saying GW will NOT release a new version of the Blood Bowl boardgame/rules at some point. But considering the timelines I mentioned above, there's absolutely no evidence that it's on the horizon beyond the BB3 announcement (which is translated from French, by the way).


I'm pretty certain the rumblings are from people play testing the new edition.

It would be more of a shock not to have a new version at this point.
   
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Vorian wrote:
 ekwatts wrote:
JimmyWolf87 wrote:
 ekwatts wrote:


So for reference, it would be best to consider Blood Bowl 2nd Edition, 3rd Edition, the ensuing Living Rulebooks that followed, limited elements of Warhammer Fantasy Battle and the two Blood Bowl computer games as the gospel. This should help people avoid wondering whether things like Sigmarites will be added. (They won't.)


I wouldn't consider it the 'gospel' as such at this point (though I broadly agree with your other points). We're in this wierd transition phase where the older rules are getting gradually phased out in the tournament scene as the NAF absorbs the newer GW elements into their system (star players getting swapped in and out etc.). It's only the Inducements and Piling On changes that have been ignored. GW are still the 'Official' source of rulings whilst the NAF are sort of arbitrators of tournaments and widely still recognised as such (GW tacitly seem to accept this as it's basically free promotion of their product and the lead designer maintains a pretty consistent relationship with the active playing community).


What I mean by that is, if anything "new" is going to emerge for the current edition of Blood Bowl, it's most likely going to be linked, or inspired by, to the sources I mentioned. Not that anything from those sources (ie: specifically rules), rather than "outside" sources such as AoS. I'm really talking about the overall fluff more than anything else.

For example: Sigmarites don't exist in Blood Bowl and they never will. Zoats, however, in spite of not having been a big presence in prior editions of Blood Bowl, if at all, are present and part of Warhammer Fantasy. So they can be included.

So as far as "new" teams are concerned, you're looking at the sources I mentioned rather than things like AoS or 40k. That simply isn't going to happen and isn't worth discussing. However, it's entirely possible that we might get teams like the Khorne team from BB1: Chaos Edition, or even the Kislev team from BB2. These additions are justifiable in the accepted fluff sources above. Sea Elves are another possibility that was mentioned above.


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Vorian wrote:
I think it's pretty certain that BB3 will be based upon a new edition, not the 2016 ruleset. Given then rumblings and titbits in the BB community.


That's not certain at all.

The "new" edition of Blood Bowl referred to in the BB3 announcement is literally referring to Blood Bowl 2016, since it was released AFTER Blood Bowl 2, which was based on the LRB6 rules.

The "rumblings" appear to be based on a misunderstanding of the above as a result of the (admittedly poor) wording of the BB3 announcement.

I'm not saying GW will NOT release a new version of the Blood Bowl boardgame/rules at some point. But considering the timelines I mentioned above, there's absolutely no evidence that it's on the horizon beyond the BB3 announcement (which is translated from French, by the way).


I'm pretty certain the rumblings are from people play testing the new edition.

It would be more of a shock not to have a new version at this point.


No, the "rumblings" appear to be from people that quite possibly got the wrong end of the stick from a potentially poorly translated press release from a French video games company.

Please post the evidence that actual Blood Bowl playtesters are talking about a new 2020 edition of the boardgame.

(Again, not saying it isn't going to happen, but I haven't seen anything that suggests it beyond the speculation made based on the Cyanide Games press release)
   
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No, I'm quite sure these people are not basing anything off Big Ben's press release - but I'm not trying to convince you.

It just won't be a surprise next year if we have a new edition with more differences than we got in 2016.

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Any idea of the release date for the Lizardmen Team?

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Probably within the next two months, other than that no clue. They will be previewed on twitch at some point, so when they get their preview then we know their release is very soon.

 
   
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Vorian wrote:
No, I'm quite sure these people are not basing anything off Big Ben's press release - but I'm not trying to convince you.

It just won't be a surprise next year if we have a new edition with more differences than we got in 2016.


I've trawled Google and cannot find a single reference to a new version of the Blood Bowl boardgame that is either not based off the Big Ben/Cyanide announcement, or dated post-announcement. Literally every single piece of speculation I've been able to find appears to have been directly triggered by this announcement.

I am not saying it isn't going to happen. A full "7th Edition" of Blood Bowl is entirely possible. What would make me curious is to what extent the design team in charge of BB have so far completed their planned plastic box releases. As for the potential differences between the heavily LRB-based 2016 edition and a new 2020 edition, I wouldn't expect them to be particularly vast; there's nothing wrong with the ruleset that can't be fixed by simply condensing the current set of publications into a more comprehensive and, crucially, centralised source. Again: They COULD go for a full rewrite. But that just seems unlikely.
   
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Andy H has gone out of his way (i.e. nobody asked...) to state that they don't intend to alter the core rules in the most recent live stream. Who knows how much we can take this at face value but there we go.

I've heard mutterings that playtesting is being done (very much friend of a friend sources so take with plenty of seasoning) on something relatively substantial for Blood Bowl. What that actually translates into I couldn't say. A brand new team would be fairly substantial in the grand scheme of things.

I'm still inclined to think we may get a new main box, possibly with some tweaks and/or tidying up or at least a more comprehensive book with the league rules etc. in one place, possibly with another for Teams (ala what we got with Necromunda this year).
   
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 Jadenim wrote:
Official Bretonnian rules would be awesome, having got the Greebo kickstarter the other year. There are also the three teams that had rules but never got models back in the day; Slann, Underworld and Chaos Pact. The last two have the advantage of involving alternate models for Skaven, Goblins, etc. which means a) they could sell to existing players and b) they could use the existing CAD libraries as a base.


Underworld and Chaos Pact were published in Death Zone 2 as Underworld Denizens and Chaos Renegades. They got official dice sets from GW and token sets from Forge World. For a while you could even buy the "team" for them from Forge World (which was just multiple team's boxes packaged with their token sets). I think those two teams have gotten all the support they're going to get.

Slann is another story. I think it might conflict with the current Blood Bowl fluff to have Slann teams still exist? I'm not certain, but they're the only team that was released in the LRB but never acknowledged by GW in Teams of Legend or anything. I mean, as far as I'm aware, small and agile slann are a distant memory in the fluff of everything Blood Bowl is based on. GW has never even made a Slann model that wasn't large and sitting on a platform. Which is why Cyanide had to reskin the team as "Kislev Circus" to put them into the videogame. I'm nearly certain GW will never acknowledge the existance of a Slann team, but only time will tell for sure.

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The Lizardmen team video has this guy:

I don’t think non-sedentary Slann are a thing anymore.

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 ekwatts wrote:
Vorian wrote:
No, I'm quite sure these people are not basing anything off Big Ben's press release - but I'm not trying to convince you.

It just won't be a surprise next year if we have a new edition with more differences than we got in 2016.


I've trawled Google and cannot find a single reference to a new version of the Blood Bowl boardgame that is either not based off the Big Ben/Cyanide announcement, or dated post-announcement. Literally every single piece of speculation I've been able to find appears to have been directly triggered by this announcement.

I am not saying it isn't going to happen. A full "7th Edition" of Blood Bowl is entirely possible. What would make me curious is to what extent the design team in charge of BB have so far completed their planned plastic box releases. As for the potential differences between the heavily LRB-based 2016 edition and a new 2020 edition, I wouldn't expect them to be particularly vast; there's nothing wrong with the ruleset that can't be fixed by simply condensing the current set of publications into a more comprehensive and, crucially, centralised source. Again: They COULD go for a full rewrite. But that just seems unlikely.


Anyone would think Vorian is trying to tell us He is a play tester and is semi-confirming it but can’t - with all the repeated surety that it’s happening.

If based on Any other chatter, then yeah all of that came After this BB3 announcement it seems.
   
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Yeah Slann lore since the early 2000s has always had them mostly sedentary and feeble. All they can do is kick back and enjoy the burgers, maybe slowly clap their hands and make some feats happen.

 
   
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Zetan wrote:
GW has never even made a Slann model that wasn't large and sitting on a platform.


Nope, GW had a small range of metal Slann figures that more closely resembled generic fantasy lizard/frog men. The big fat platform-sitters came after an extended absence from the catalog and fluff.
   
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Danny76 wrote:
 ekwatts wrote:
Vorian wrote:
No, I'm quite sure these people are not basing anything off Big Ben's press release - but I'm not trying to convince you.

It just won't be a surprise next year if we have a new edition with more differences than we got in 2016.


I've trawled Google and cannot find a single reference to a new version of the Blood Bowl boardgame that is either not based off the Big Ben/Cyanide announcement, or dated post-announcement. Literally every single piece of speculation I've been able to find appears to have been directly triggered by this announcement.

I am not saying it isn't going to happen. A full "7th Edition" of Blood Bowl is entirely possible. What would make me curious is to what extent the design team in charge of BB have so far completed their planned plastic box releases. As for the potential differences between the heavily LRB-based 2016 edition and a new 2020 edition, I wouldn't expect them to be particularly vast; there's nothing wrong with the ruleset that can't be fixed by simply condensing the current set of publications into a more comprehensive and, crucially, centralised source. Again: They COULD go for a full rewrite. But that just seems unlikely.


Anyone would think Vorian is trying to tell us He is a play tester and is semi-confirming it but can’t - with all the repeated surety that it’s happening.

If based on Any other chatter, then yeah all of that came After this BB3 announcement it seems.


I am definitely not. I'm just piecing together hints from people that would know.

I have no idea what changes, or how big.

Like I say, I'm not trying to convince anyone, for myself, I'm certain a new edition arrives before BB3. I would be very surprised if it didn't contain things to make the game play faster.

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 ekwatts wrote:
Zetan wrote:
GW has never even made a Slann model that wasn't large and sitting on a platform.


Nope, GW had a small range of metal Slann figures that more closely resembled generic fantasy lizard/frog men. The big fat platform-sitters came after an extended absence from the catalog and fluff.


Yep they were even on display at WHF this year alongside a couple of old Zoats.
   
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 Original Timmy wrote:
 ekwatts wrote:
Zetan wrote:
GW has never even made a Slann model that wasn't large and sitting on a platform.


Nope, GW had a small range of metal Slann figures that more closely resembled generic fantasy lizard/frog men. The big fat platform-sitters came after an extended absence from the catalog and fluff.


Yep they were even on display at WHF this year alongside a couple of old Zoats.


Huh, that's neat, I was unaware. I still think it's unlikely they'll go in that direction with anything new (since all the fluff says that most of them are extinct and the ones that aren't are all fat now) but I'd love to be wrong.
   
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Zetan wrote:
 Original Timmy wrote:
 ekwatts wrote:
Zetan wrote:
GW has never even made a Slann model that wasn't large and sitting on a platform.


Nope, GW had a small range of metal Slann figures that more closely resembled generic fantasy lizard/frog men. The big fat platform-sitters came after an extended absence from the catalog and fluff.


Yep they were even on display at WHF this year alongside a couple of old Zoats.


Huh, that's neat, I was unaware. I still think it's unlikely they'll go in that direction with anything new (since all the fluff says that most of them are extinct and the ones that aren't are all fat now) but I'd love to be wrong.


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Does anyone know if newer teams not covered in the initial release of Blitz Bowl will receive rules for use in Blitz Bowl?

Not having Blitz Bowl rules is the only thing keeping me from buying factions like Undead and Slannn.
   
 
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