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Hello all, another German army post here. I have been playing the Lehr Division now for a few months and I must say I am quite taken. The options and abilities of the Lehr Division make it versatile and extremely mobile. I thoroughly enjoy zipping around the battlefield and charging my large Grenadier teams into action.

Here is the list for my army:

HQ CIC/21C SMG TEAMS W/ HALF TRACKS
CMBT 2 SQUADS (MG/TANK HUNTER) W/ HALF TRACKS
CMBT 2 SQUADS (MG/TANK HUNTER) W/ HALF TRACKS
WEPS 2 GRENADIER HVY MORTAR SECTIONS (12 CM)
WEPS 2 PAK 40 GUN TEAMS W/ SMG COMMAND TEAM
WEPS 2 HVY MG SECTIONS W/ SMG COMMAND TEAM
SPPT 3 PZ IV TANKS (SS PANZER COMPANY ALLIES)
SPPT 3 JAGDPANZER IV TANK HUNTERS
SPPT 2 HVY AA GUN TEAMS 1 WITH EXTRA CREW
SPPT LEHR ARMORED RECON 3X PUMA'S

TOTAL 1750

WILL POST SOME PICS

WE got some paper terrain in the mail and played the mission "Cauldron" ...ended up being an interesting fight. As it uses the mobile battle rule I had to leave most of my armor off the table. My opponent was running a Medium tank Co. from the "Turning the Tide" book. I deployed my 88's and mortars and 1 platoon of infantry and the used the Puma's to harass is guns and take pot shots at his armor.

Oh look more Pumas, that'll cheer up Big P!

I like the little bastards, but they can be so hit or miss sometimes. Great for taking care of guns and infantry and the occasional tank team.

been thinking about dropping the lighter tanks in favor of some tigers. I use the 88's because they are dual purpose and for some reason draw so much fire they leave my other tanks alone. Also any feedback on the 12cm Hvy Mortars

Excellent! It looks like it was fun!

Making do with what we have...the paper terrain really helped out. Still waiting for more stuff to arrive in a box from home. Were are going to do another battle report with the Lehr Division in action.

dreager96 wrote:been thinking about dropping the lighter tanks in favor of some tigers.

What all three of them?

Panzer Lehr only had three Tiger Is in Normandy from the attached Panzer-Kompanie 316 (Funklenk), the company also had five Tiger IIs but these did not go to Normandy - transport could not be arranged and the 5 Tiger IIs remained in France at Chateaudun where they were subsequently destroyed to prevent capture.

From having read the Panzer Lehr after-action reports for Normandy, its not clear if the three Tiger Is saw much action and 316 was pulled out of the line (their only recorded losses being two of their StuG IIIs) on the 1st July 1944 to join Pz.Abt (FKL) 302.

Oh look more Pumas, that'll cheer up Big P!

At least it aint Tiger IIs...

you sir digress from the discussion at hand ....was it red or yellow...


The Earth and Steel book allows me to take as a Allie a Heavy Tank Platoon, from one of the nearby SS. Schwere Panzer Abieltung. So as far as what was there I don't know I wasn't. I was looking at it from the game perspective not the History perspective. I think the Lehr Grenadiers are great and larger than normal size with Panzershrecks. Why not throw in some tigers!

No never let history stand in the way of a good game!

Just thought you might be interested in what Panzer Lehr actually had.

For a moment, I thought Big P would start waving around his giant ‘realism’ falchion and ruin a perfectly good game!
I admit I did not know how many Tigers were with the Panzer Lehr, good to know.
But on the tabletop, Tigers just look splendid. Slab-sided, long barreled harbingers of doom!
As a British player, I see Tigers as pricey overkill verses my Shermans. I would rather face a couple of Tigers than a row of dug-in PaK40s. (shudder)
My advice (free, while supplies last) is to test drive a list including some Tigers verses a list with smoke and aircraft. After that you can see if you like them.

Thanks for the input "Big P" ....I always appreciate history. But I have found that this game sometimes strays from reality...

Sadly there are no Air assets for the Panzer Lehr Division.

I dont think there was much in the way of air assets for any German after 1943... Though the Luftwaffe did make a few appearances over Normandy.

I've no problem with fictional games... Hell all of them are really!

Im starting 1950s Cold War at the moment... Dont get much more fictional than that!

True..as a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan...I must say the whole combat perspective is different...but as a game it works. And besides I am finally in command of my own army..



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I wonder though why the Lehr Panther's are more than the tigers. As I believe more panther's were built than tigers?




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Well fashioned a Panther Lehr tank co . Not a lot of uns but got quite a biy of punch. Will post pics of next battle from the front.

I phrased things poorly. Try a list with Tigers verses an OPPONENT who uses smoke and air. And yes, let us know how you do!

Tigers and Panthers are best used when playing against Soviets - apart from the Churchills, the Brits and Americans can't field a tank that a Panzer IV can take down.

Yeah am inclined to agree, I like the Lehr for its great diversity and great infantry units. I am going to simply modifying my old list and going from there.

Also got a reinforcement from home in the form of some JR miniature Roads and Rivers. So look for some more scenery.

I run two Tigers in my Pioneer list and I would never leave home without them. For starters you now have a mobile 88. You outrange all allied armor at 40 inches I believe,which makes up for the slow tank rule. Top armor two also makes a big differance as well as your thick side armor.And if nothing else they will draw so much fire your other units are free to do as they please. Try em and let us know what you think.

Yeah I have the modified list out and we have played some games with em. the tigers do make such a difference as my opponent said, "You have to deal with them!". That has allowed my Lehr Grenadiers to maneuver around into assault position. I will post a pic of what I have completed.

Yup I thought you'd like the Tigers.

MrJody wrote:I run two Tigers in my Pioneer list and I would never leave home without them. For starters you now have a mobile 88. You outrange all allied armor at 40 inches I believe,which makes up for the slow tank rule. Top armor two also makes a big differance as well as your thick side armor.And if nothing else they will draw so much fire your other units are free to do as they please. Try em and let us know what you think.

That 40" range is one of the biggest yet least spoken about strengths the Tiger has IMO. Especially if you get a favorable tiger ace skill, the impact they can have on enemy armour is massive.

Its a bit pricey but it makes most Allied commanders deal with it. As you put it. And if they smoke it, and or buzz it all the better. Means that those assets are not being used elsewhere.

I like em!

40 inch range is indeed huge since it means you can sit still and get fuu ROF while they are forced to move to get within range oy you. Agrred also a good Tiger Ace skill makes them that much better. Worth the points? IMO heck yeah!

As promised here is a Picture of my Panzer Lehr Army. It is a mix of stuff i bought painted and what I painted. I am slowly phasing out what I didnt paint with what I did.

My paint Jobs;
Tigers
Puma's
88's
Panzer IV's ( not pictured)

The rest was bought.

Looks great. Been a while since I painted any FOW. Forgot how fun they can be to paint.

I will trow up some more pics of the next game we play here at camp. Was a bit of a task to send stuff over here. But worth it.

Very Nice

Well my friends as the schedules permit, we managed to get another game in and it was awesome....We played domination at 2500 pts. , but with some slight changes to the rules. We had at first reserves that came in on turn 2...and the we used random deployment. My opponent, the good doctor through his American tank company at me with gusto. But I was able to wrap up the flanks there by pinning his forces in the middle. At 2500 pts. I was able to get some of my panthers in and that was a huge bonus. They alone accounted for at least 6 tanks and I complete arty section, all at only a loss of two panthers. Next up a final and grand assault by my grenadiers put the nail in the coffin. Turn 6 and I broke his forces...and with having killed his CiC and 2iC in round 4 he automatically broke...I will post more pics as I ready and practice for the INDY GENCON, with my 1750 Lehr Division LIST.


Also if your looking for some cheap good resin terrain, try out MUSKET MINIATURES ,I purchased some sets and they are great....also they delivery to APO/AP addresses

Congrats on the win. 2500 pts is a fun size cuz ya get to field all those expensive goodies like extra Panthers. Americans have a hard time dealing with those guys. Heck most armies do unless you run into Churchills especially those nasty Crocodilles.

Here are some pics of the latest battle between the Lehr Division and 3rd Armored Division....