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Hey all, I was just wondering about how effective this list would be. I really just made it off hand for the funsies, and the entire point is the fact it's so gimmicky, but how well do you think this list will perform?

HQ- Dante

Troops
5x of: Sanguinary Guard with Deathmasks and 3x Infernus Pistols.

Of course I don't have this many Sanguinary, but I was thinking about eventually working my way up to this list. I think it will be fun to play. I don't play too many competitive games, but lets say I went up against a competitive/tourney-style list, how would this fare?
Thanks!

Got to find some room for some priests. They basically become impervious to small arms on top of the all important furious charge. One group won't need death masks as Dante has one. I think switching one infernus pistol per squad to a fist would be good.

It would be fun and interesting... The only problem is that there is no invulnerable saves there. They are expensive and since there is nothing for your enemy to shoot at with anti-vehicle weapons, they are coming at your guard, and most of the time you loose your armor save to those. I think it would be extremely fun and cool to see, but I don't think it would survive very well.

Its difficult to play and dantes group would most liekly either take a battle cannon a demolisher cannon or a plasma cannon to the faceand all but dante would die. dont bother with death masks they dont really do much unless you play against guard and most of the units that you want to have run away have a commissar so that they wont run away.

pdawg517 wrote:Got to find some room for some priests. They basically become impervious to small arms on top of the all important furious charge. One group won't need death masks as Dante has one. I think switching one infernus pistol per squad to a fist would be good.

I second the advice here, however you may want to consider dropping 2 squads to get 2 ten-man assault squads. These guys are better anti-tank and better against most-infantry too, also they can screen your sanguinary guard to provide cover saves.

Nipplewing isn't a particularly effective build, but it can be used to limited success AFAIK. If you look around, some were brought to adepticon so you could potential ideas off there if you do want to go for it...

Just Dave I second or third that haha ya sounds like he just want s to play sang guard tho :( More assault marines and priests.

This army will get thoroughly owned at that points list sadly D: I've run it, against my tau, and with only four crisis suits in fireknife, even Dante was gone by turn 3. The sheer volume of fire combined with a total lack of any kind of invuln save meant the tau (who were running a mobile list) could shoot for a turn, then pack up, gtfo, move somewhere else, and let the crisis suits eat some more of the guard. Those Glaives rock in CC but if the Tau can kite this list gets munched =( Plus (at least for me) it gets pretty boring to play cause theres not a whole lot of tactics besides rush up into CC, shooting on the turns you're both in rapid fire range and not in assault range.

Such awesome models not so awesome (they look hella awesome kit bashed as sexy assault marines )

lots of fun but would get owned by any plasma heavy army

I will add that Plasma weapons will probably become more popular now that the Grey Knights codex is out, which will not help this army at all.

Thanks for the advice. Yeah, I could probably take out a squad or 2 for some assault marines, maybe throw in a speeder or 2?

Unless you are really experienced with maneuvering marines and armor (which I am not) then leave out the guard at this level. Because you have to realize
1 Loosing an assault marines sucks feal no pain makes that less likely.
2 Most marine armies have a pw or pf in each squad. So if you loose a marine to that it happens.
3 Guard have templates that are ap 2 and can pack a tone of plasma and melta. loosing marines to that does suck quite a bit.
Now thinking its sad when an assault marine dies think about a 5 man squad that costs just a little less than a 10 man assault squad with meltas and a pf gets hit by one of those things.
Its not pretty I can tell you that play with assault marines learn tactics and when you know exactly where you have to put your units and how you are going to go about the battle in the larger picture then take sanguinary guard until then stick to assault marines.

What about Death Company with jump packs? How do they compare with Sanguinary Guard or are they on par with them?

The worst thing you can do.
Look sick yes effective not a chance 20 points or so more per marine they rage towards the closest target sadly.
You are best of sticking them in a crusader or redeemer with a chaplain of some sort to make em even more awesome and be all ha death company in your face. But wait till 1750
For 1500 I suggest 3 10 man assault squads with 2 melta guns and a pf each 3priets with jp.
I personally find baal preds to be extremely effective with the assault cannon hb sponsons. A vindicator is good takes alot of attention of everything else and its easy to hide.
A librarian with shield an unleash rage put in an assault squad makes that squad super deadly.

yeah, I figured the fact that they come with rage would be a detriment. It just seems nice though that they come with FNP automatically.

Ya but they still need chaplain with em to make em awesome

If you can get good at using Sanguinary Guard then they are a highly effective unit capable destroying what they touch, that said they are a finesse unit and take lots of practice to use efficiently. Many times I see people dropping the Guard in with dante to hit a tank only for that 425+ points to be shot up and die. Drop down behind some LOS blocking cover, run and spread out then use your JP's to move over and hit something hard. These guys are really good when used in conjunction with assault marines.

I would say no to Land Speeders. While they do totel MM and HF's well, they do not benefit from DOA. It would really suck to not get those speeders until late game.

I agree I have used sang guard horribly when I started and I know a local guy and he uses them amazingly and they just eat most units. Personally I like assault marines they are fun and killy and ya definitely those speeders are needed right away maybe put them behind a building and just turbo boost right away to get into position.

This is a comment by Roleplayer (who's P&M thread you really MUST check out), commenting on his performance at Adepticon:

Roleplayer wrote:Someone asked about the sang guard lists and how they did.

I played all Sanguinary Guard, and finished 10th Overall, with 3 wins and 1 loss. I played 2 mech IG, 1 Mech Blood Angels player and lost the last game to Shrike Codex marine razorback spam.

All my opponents won their 3 other games, and my final loss was to last year's hard boyz winner, so I feel the sanguinary guard performed well. The list was,

Dante.
Libby with J.pack, Sanguine Sword and Shield of Sanguinius.

3 X Sang Priests with J.packs, 2 have power swords.

Sang Guard, 2 X infernus pistol, Chapter banner

Sang Guard, infernus pistol, powerfist

Sang Guard, Infernus pistol.

Sang Guard, infernus pistol.

Storm Raven with Hurricane Bolters, TL Lascannon, TL MM.

Furioso with Blood Talons.

Note: the guy he lost to is the 'Ard Boyz winner apparently.

Agreed. No invo saves means that shooty armies are going to eat you for breakfast, IE: Tau, Misslewolves etc etc

Misslewolves won't give that much trouble as they have 2+ armor, so it only negates the FNP. As I have said they are niche army that requires an extreme amount of finesse, but they are FUN when used correctly.

Hmm, looks like I'll have my work cut out for me. Still it does sound fun, I may practice around with a few proxy units before loading up on guard.

It may also be worth considering a fairly cheap vanguard unit. They make great distractions and can buy your army time to get in position.

I agree sang guard can be nasty but if you are just starting you stand very little chance to do well because you won't have a full understanding of how to use them to their full potential.