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Flash: Call me crazy then
The rider is fine (if you ignore the usual large hat)

Elves:

Griffon on the other hand, seems very plain and basic, the pose looks ok, but somethings off with it.
Also hate the comical oversized claws on it with the long ass gangly arms.
And finally, the feathers just seem a bit flat and out of place, they make it stand out alot.

I prefer the metal empire one to be honest, but thats just me.


Rest of the elves look pretty good, have no complaints there.



Skaven:

Rat ogres have to be my biggest hate, simply for the comical sizes of areas.
Large body and arms, small legs and head. (well, tiny head)

Chief looks ok, except a bit of over crowding on his back, still good though.

Weapon teams are a bit plain, and the thrower seems tiny to what it was, but nothing too bad.

Everything else is good though, and the engineer is quality.

Looking at those swordmasters... my planned Executioner conversions just got canceled. I'll just Druchii up those...

I think that is going to be a 'must buy' for me, given that I play Skaven too!

UK GW staff have been told to not even talk about the contents, let alone show them, on pain of dismissal.

#NOrmally its disciplinary, not dismissal, so theyre being even more tight arsed than usual...

His Master's Voice wrote:I foresee a multitude of Manticore conversions using that griffon and lion chariot pieces.

Why?

There's already a plastic Manicore

Yeah but that's a Manicore Kid, not a Manticore

Now that I've seen the new skaven the genestealer cult army (skaven/nid models, nid rules) is looking more likely...

The models are beautiful! I may very well have to start a high elf army too!

Although I'm a bit disappointed by the loss of the rumored 20 slaves and 5 globadiers. I'm going to have to reconsider buying the set (let alone the planned 4 copies).

Not having to put together multi part clan rats = win for me.. I dont need customization on CLAN RATS.. I rather just take 5 seconds to put them together. The loss of the globadiers is a bit dissapointing, especially since it seems the skaven army is around 60$ less of stuff

DarkAngelHopeful wrote:
I posted a cost comparison of buying the set versus the models alone. http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?t=5211&page=12

Here it is if you would like to see it. The only thing I couldn't find was the Globadier mortar, but I was told it was about $15-$18 USD on BoLS, so it just adds to the value of the box set.

Sorry for not posting this earlier, but here's the Skaven cost break down.

Based on what Max_Killfactor/Warseer wrote:

20 Clanrats with hw and shield = ($33)
20 Clanrats with spears and shield ($33)
1 warpfire thrower = ($15)
1 poisoned wind mortar ($10, I think he may mean poisoned wind globadier?)
2 rat ogres with master moulder (or maybe just a regular beast handler) ($40?, not sure, I just found this http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/ca...Id=prod1040496)
Warlord = ($15)
Engineer = ($13.25)

Grand total = @159.25

Kirasu wrote:Not having to put together multi part clan rats = win for me.. I dont need customization on CLAN RATS.. I rather just take 5 seconds to put them together. The loss of the globadiers is a bit dissapointing, especially since it seems the skaven army is around 60$ less of stuff

Did anybody do the points up? It's still an awful lot of models.

That grand total for skaven is incorrect since 2 rat ogres arent 40$.. Thats leaving out the giant rats as well that come in the kit

Kirasu wrote:That grand total for skaven is incorrect since 2 rat ogres arent 40$.. Thats leaving out the giant rats as well that come in the kit

And the Wind Mortar should probably be as much as the Weapon Team if not more. I guess it's only natural that some people can take exception to everything even when it's awesome.

Kirasu wrote:That grand total for skaven is incorrect since 2 rat ogres arent 40$.. Thats leaving out the giant rats as well that come in the kit

You're correct. I couldn't find what the cost of 2 Rat Ogres were. So, it's an approxamation. It's the same thing with the seaguard. I didn't pro-rate them I just put up the cost of a 16 spear elf box, since that's what they sell them in. But you are correct.


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whitedragon wrote:

Kirasu wrote:That grand total for skaven is incorrect since 2 rat ogres arent 40$.. Thats leaving out the giant rats as well that come in the kit

And the Wind Mortar should probably be as much as the Weapon Team if not more. I guess it's only natural that some people can take exception to everything even when it's awesome.

You're correct as well. I couldn't find the model on GW's site. I was told it's about $15-$18 USD.

I think HE army is calling to me after all. My FLGS owner will be getting some of my money in September. Ugh. I need 2 jobs.

۞ Jack ۞ wrote:Flash: Call me crazy then
The rider is fine (if you ignore the usual large hat)...

...Rat ogres have to be my biggest hate, simply for the comical sizes of areas.
Large body and arms, small legs and head. (well, tiny head)

I love the tiny heads on the Rat Ogres, it's an inspired design decision and makes perfect sense (to me).

The overall quality of sculpting is some of the best they've done. It's the tiny details that impress me. Look at the Elven hands grasping the spears. The way the index finger is raised slightly further up the shaft is astounding attention to detail.

STUPENDOUS models. but why int he group photo does he have the banners in the wrong group?

It's possible that it's not the actual banner for the Swordmasters but instead a Battle Standard Bearer.

That's why it's a hand wielding a tall, elven broadsword? And it's held by a guy wearing the same armor as the rest of the Swordmasters?

Kanluwen wrote:It's possible that it's not the actual banner for the Swordmasters but instead a Battle Standard Bearer.

Those pictures got the standard bearers backwards. The one with the Swordmasters is a Sea Guard. The dragon shield (the shield period) gives it away. The bearer with the Sea Guard has the symbol of Hoeth on the standard, hence he's the Swordmaster one.

Not sure about the HE, but the Skaven points should break down like this;
(this is the bare minimum going on WYSIWYG)

Chieftain - 45
Halberd - 2
sub-total - 47pts

Warlock Engineer - 15
Warplock Pistol - 8
sub-total - 23pts

20 Clanrats - 80
Spears & Shields - 20
Command Group - 20
sub-total - 120pts

20 Clanrats - 80
Shields - 10
Command Group - 20
sub-total - 110pts

2 Rat Ogres - 80
1 Packmaster (not shown yet but required by the rules) - 8
sub-total - 88pts

Weapon Teams;
Poisoned Wind Mortar - 65
Warpfire Thrower - 70
The other one that appears to be a Warpgrinder - 60
sub-total - 195pts

(this is odd, however as none of the revealed units can legally take a warpgrinder, if it is included we can look forward to some Gutter/Night Runners as well I assume)
EDIT: Actually, the 'warpgrinder' may in fact BE a packmaster, in which case the list would come to 523 points instead

Total - 583 points (assuming that guy is a warpgrinder)




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As for my views on the models;

Chieftain/Warlock - wow, just wow
Clanrats - almost identical to the multi-part ones, which I also like
Rat Ogres - Nice body, shame about the head
Weapon Teams - all fantastic and it's good to see a modernised WF thrower

I dont see why it would be a warp grinder? 3 weapon teams for 2 units? its probably a master moulder with shock prod

djones520 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's possible that it's not the actual banner for the Swordmasters but instead a Battle Standard Bearer.

Those pictures got the standard bearers backwards. The one with the Swordmasters is a Sea Guard. The dragon shield (the shield period) gives it away. The bearer with the Sea Guard has the symbol of Hoeth on the standard, hence he's the Swordmaster one.

I didn't notice the bearer having the Tower of Hoeth's symbol. The shield thing isn't a 100% give away though. Battle Standard Bearers can have 'em you know

Kirasu wrote:I dont see why it would be a warp grinder? 3 weapon teams for 2 units? its probably a master moulder with shock prod

Yes, I know that it wouldn't make sense now, it just looke like the illustration of a warpgrinder from the Skaven Army Book :/


Still, I suppose nothing's to stop me kitbashing my own Master Moulder and then using that chappy as a warpgrinder, while I'm at it I can sort out some head swaps for those Rat Ogres

Kanluwen wrote:

djones520 wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It's possible that it's not the actual banner for the Swordmasters but instead a Battle Standard Bearer.

Those pictures got the standard bearers backwards. The one with the Swordmasters is a Sea Guard. The dragon shield (the shield period) gives it away. The bearer with the Sea Guard has the symbol of Hoeth on the standard, hence he's the Swordmaster one.

I didn't notice the bearer having the Tower of Hoeth's symbol. The shield thing isn't a 100% give away though. Battle Standard Bearers can have 'em you know

True, but the symbols were a dead give away. That guy screamed Lothern Sea Guard.

HE point wise, it looks like the HQ alone has the Skaven beat. A Prince on Griffon would run around 400-450 points if not more, then the mage around another hundred. All in all, there has got to be 800-900 points of High Elves there if you fully kit the Hero's out. I'm just going off of memory though. My army book is on the other side of the world.

Ah man, I went to a lot of trouble to snap some pics at the Battle Bunker today, and it looks like they're not really needed! I'm getting them off my phone now and will post them anyway, though.

All pics are welcome to me, I assure you!

Mn, those Skaven models might tempt me into actually making that yakuza-themed army sometime next year (I will not have the funds to do any serious collecting this year, sadly).

RiTides wrote:Ah man, I went to a lot of trouble to snap some pics at the Battle Bunker today, and it looks like they're not really needed! I'm getting them off my phone now and will post them anyway, though.

Yeah, crack on Treebeard, let's see those pics.

Wow, those Rat Ogres alone are enough to convert me. Three boxes worth should be a good start for a core of the army right? (120 rats?)

I'm actually more impressed with the LSG than the Swordmasters, though they're looking awesome as well.

Wow, the new skaven look awesome! I'm looking forward to new elvish bits too, but I don't really care for the High Elf. (personal preference)