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Last time i checked i never simply stated that bruce lee was awesome based on nothing. kk.

I know you didn't, I never questioned that.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Omegus wrote:Not all the fighting. Slaanesh can draw as much from the battlefield as Khorne.

Not really. Slaanesh can draw from torture and pain on the battlefield (wounds) but there will likely be more blood than anything...especially since you don't have time to feel pain when hit by a scout titan's plasma blastgun.

Meh, any warrior who actually cares about the level of opponent he's facing is feeding Slaanesh as much as Khorne. It's not just torture and pain... it's the sounds of clashing blades and gunfire and the screams of the wounded and dying, the smell of gunpowder and blood and charred flesh, the sensation of your blade kissing their flesh and theirs caressing yours in turn, the hatred in your opponent's eyes slowly giving way to crushing despair , the affirmation of your superiority over a capable foe, etc. etc.

Slaanesh is about far more than just boners and cutting yourself.

exactly

and ill forgive you for calling me an idiot Omegus,

Tyranic Marta wrote:exactly

and ill forgive you for calling me an idiot Omegus,

You're a heretic.

Thankyou

Dave_Nz wrote:lol ^^ actually it only turns into this because OP decided to make a hardly serious poll.

*Bows*

Omegus wrote:Meh, any warrior who actually cares about the level of opponent he's facing is feeding Slaanesh as much as Khorne. It's not just torture and pain... it's the sounds of clashing blades and gunfire and the screams of the wounded and dying, the smell of gunpowder and blood and charred flesh, the sensation of your blade kissing their flesh and theirs caressing yours in turn, the hatred in your opponent's eyes slowly giving way to crushing despair , the affirmation of your superiority over a capable foe, etc. etc.

Slaanesh is about far more than just boners and cutting yourself.

Doesn't Slaanesh draw from excess of all kinds, as well as stuff like perfectionism? Aka, a swordsman obsessed with perfecting his skill is feeding Slaanesh? Similar to how IIRC Slaanesh also has domain over the arts?

Or something, admittedly not a big Chaos buff.

Exactly. A warrior who relishes the challenge of a good fight arguably belongs more to Slaanesh than Khorne. A good fight is just slowing down the blood-letting, as far as Khorne is concerned. As the saying goes, "Khorne cares not whence the blood flows, only that it flows."

Hell, you could probably slaughter chickens all day and keep that simpleton happy.

Dave_Nz wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:First of all, let me just say Chuck Norris actually has a karate record, aka foitin' in tournaments and stuff. A very impressive one. 183–10–2, to be exact. So whoever said something about Norris not being a real martial artist or whatever, was wrong. He has much more credibility as an actual fighter than Bruce Lee, were it not for the fact that Norris seems to believe Lee was the superior fighter. Lee is overrated.

But I digress.

T.

So going on what you said about fighters being on different levels, firstly chuck norris is american, and yes if you actually practice any style of martial arts, traditional and asian/European styles pf fighting are first more well respected and have always thought be be more "bloodsport" as wel call it, take it from 8 year kyokushin'ist. Most of chuck Norris' tournements were in fact based in "america" like this one lol All-American Karate Championship (1967) which he did win. he even admits that bruce lee was a superier fighter then himself so i honestly dont see how you can dissagree with the person who you are subjecting.


and idk where you got his record from, i did know he was undefeated for a long time.

and also these gimic jokes have somewhat destroyed what respect he did have left.

tl;dr american martial arts are considered wimpish compared to traditional bloodsports and C.N is american martialartist.

I love how EVERY non American that runs out of valid argument material, instantly pulls that one. Our X is better because the American X is weak/wimpy/crappy/stupid. Next your going to start picking apart spelling and grammar errors

But you also have to admit that Void Dragon's argument is borderline braindead. "This guy who I think is a super awesome fighter thinks this other guy is a way superior fighter, but I think that other guy is an overrated chump."

Oh god no I wouldnt argue that Bruce Lee was overrated. Jesus Christ the guy was as close to a martial arts god as a human could possible get. Do I think he would trounce Norris? Yea, I do, with ease probably. Does that mean Chuck Norris is a wus, and by default every fighter from America sucks? God no. Just because someone cant take Bruce Lee doesnt mean they suck at martial arts.

I have no problem with Chuck Norris as a martial artist (although his tactic of *roundhouse kick roundhouse kick roundhouse kick* would get him annihilated in any of today's full contact competitions, but that's true of almost any combat sport). My issues with him stem from his horrible movies and TV shows, terrible products (that total gym or whatever is a piece of crap), and despicable personal ideology that he tries to force down everyone's throat.

Bruce Lee was American, born in California.

Yet his martial arts were rooted in as traditional a lineage as there could be, short of learning from the ghost of Wong Fei Hung. But yes, his later attitudes and approach towards martial arts reflected a distinctly American attitude.

Omegus wrote:But you also have to admit that Void Dragon's argument is borderline braindead. "This guy who I think is a super awesome fighter thinks this other guy is a way superior fighter, but I think that other guy is an overrated chump."

Nowhere did I say Chuck Norris would beat Bruce Lee. I said the opposite. I never said Lee was a "chump," merely that he was overrated.

And he is, Norris has a pretty impressive fight-record, and sure, Lee is apparently an impressive fighter as well, to his credit he has won a few fights, but Lee is very often claimed to be the best martial artist ever. I admit Lee would beat Norris simply because Norris believes so as well, and even though Norris' record is impressive, I would not consider him one of the best fighters ever, nor Lee. Lee IS overrated, "martial arts god?" Fat load of good that did him when Gene Lebell beat him (IIRC he beat him twice or so during sparring matches). Lee was admittedly very good for his time, sure, but martial arts evolve, he would not be nearly as good now as he was then, and he was not infallible then either. Bruce Lee is the most influential martial artist, to be sure, as well as being one of the progenitors of MMA which I respect, but he is not the best.

Don't mistake this for me spanking Norris, I care so little about Norris it's not even funny, I was just responding to the claims that Norris was not a real martial artist. He is. And yes, he is also kind of a nutcase. I kind of laughed at the response to the evolution Chuck Norris "Fact." I can also claim to have never seen a Norris movie, nor watched Walker Texas Ranger in my entire life. I am proud of that fact.

Also, in response to your earlier response that I was too lazy to quote, and in the hopes of letting this stupid Norris argument die, yeah, Khorne doesn't honestly seem to be too much into martial skill or honor these days. Slaanesh's domain actual covers refinement of technique, Khorne is now exclusively pretty much the god of insane madmen who like to make people die with their chainaxes. Although from what I hear, the new 40k tabletop RP, Black Crusade, intends to rectify that, with Khorne going back to also being patron deity of martial champions who defy the odds in their search for an honorable challenge. Apparently, anyway.

I would love Khorne going back to just being a warrior god (from axe crazy to valiant and honourable).
It would also make much more sense as to why he despises Magic and Ballistics in WHFB and why he despises Psychic Powers in 40k (because, let's face it, it's pretty much just asking to get your ass whipped in 40k, to say that you refuse to use guns).

Omegus wrote:Exactly. A warrior who relishes the challenge of a good fight arguably belongs more to Slaanesh than Khorne. A good fight is just slowing down the blood-letting, as far as Khorne is concerned. As the saying goes, "Khorne cares not whence the blood flows, only that it flows."

Hell, you could probably slaughter chickens all day and keep that simpleton happy.

First thing that came to mind was:

'Hurr durr blood for the blood god, chickens for the chicken throne'

Kirasu wrote:No one is stronger than Draigo. He can walk through the planes of chaos, fight UNLIMITED amount of demons, never has to eat or breathe and even the great gods of chaos can't touch him

In addition the grey knights dont even bother finding ANOTHER chapter master.. like someone who is around for more than a few minutes every century because they know those few minutes are better than the full time attention of ANY other grey knight master

A minute of Alpha is better than centuries of Beta.


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iproxtaco wrote:And yet everything about Chuck Norris is made-up gak, likely derived from his appearances in various films ans TV shows, hence Bruce Lee owns Chuck Norris.

You are discussing the fictional power levels of fictional entities in a fictional universe. The fictional power levels of the Chuck Norris meme are greater than anyone else in said fictional universe.


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Omegus wrote:I have no problem with Chuck Norris as a martial artist (although his tactic of *roundhouse kick roundhouse kick roundhouse kick* would get him annihilated in any of today's full contact competitions, but that's true of almost any combat sport). My issues with him stem from his horrible movies and TV shows, terrible products (that total gym or whatever is a piece of crap), and despicable personal ideology that he tries to force down everyone's throat.

As opposed to your personal ideology which you've forced down the throat of everyone here.

Physician, heal yourself.

PS The Total Gym is a reasonable training tool if you don't have access to a gym. All resistance training is of benefit.

Please stop.

Chuck Norris is not a 40k character, and whoever put him in the poll is bad and should feel bad.

Void__Dragon wrote:Lee IS overrated, "martial arts god?" Fat load of good that did him when Gene Lebell beat him (IIRC he beat him twice or so during sparring matches).

That's because Gene Lebell is God's grandfather.


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Freman Bloodglaive wrote:As opposed to your personal ideology which you've forced down the throat of everyone here.

Are you high? Yes, I've totally have started a mass media campaign to get the teaching of evolution banned from schools so we can all rest safely in the knowledge that the earth is 6000 years old. Oh, and that homosexuals are in actuality an evil cabal that want to subvert the democratic process to turn all our children gay. Yes, that's totally what I've done here.

Omegus wrote:That's because Gene Lebell is God's grandfather.

Touche'.

Omegus wrote: Oh, and that homosexuals are in actuality an evil cabal that want to subvert the democratic process to turn all our children gay.

He said that?

KingCracker wrote:

Dave_Nz wrote:

Void__Dragon wrote:First of all, let me just say Chuck Norris actually has a karate record, aka foitin' in tournaments and stuff. A very impressive one. 183–10–2, to be exact. So whoever said something about Norris not being a real martial artist or whatever, was wrong. He has much more credibility as an actual fighter than Bruce Lee, were it not for the fact that Norris seems to believe Lee was the superior fighter. Lee is overrated.

But I digress.

T.

So going on what you said about fighters being on different levels, firstly chuck norris is american, and yes if you actually practice any style of martial arts, traditional and asian/European styles pf fighting are first more well respected and have always thought be be more "bloodsport" as wel call it, take it from 8 year kyokushin'ist. Most of chuck Norris' tournements were in fact based in "america" like this one lol All-American Karate Championship (1967) which he did win. he even admits that bruce lee was a superier fighter then himself so i honestly dont see how you can dissagree with the person who you are subjecting.


and idk where you got his record from, i did know he was undefeated for a long time.

and also these gimic jokes have somewhat destroyed what respect he did have left.

tl;dr american martial arts are considered wimpish compared to traditional bloodsports and C.N is american martialartist.

I love how EVERY non American that runs out of valid argument material, instantly pulls that one. Our X is better because the American X is weak/wimpy/crappy/stupid. Next your going to start picking apart spelling and grammar errors

Are you fking serious? ran out of a valid argument? LOL? so this is what you think that amreican martial arts styles are more respected than traditional martial arts? where do you think they originated from?

Do you even practice martial arts? like seriously?

9 years, il edit with my belt later then please talk if you have actually faught in tournements kiddo.

I would say that "American martial arts" (by which I assume you mean mixed martial arts, which borrow from all sorts of disciplines such us jiujitsu, sambo, muay thai, etc. and thus the whole label is faulty to begin with) are more effective than the traditional martial arts, at least today.

The lineage of a lot of these traditional styles has severely degraded over the centuries, in no small part due to the less rigorous training. I guarantee you even the staunchest kung fu school isn't making new students stand in horse stance for a few months before teaching them anything else. Those guys were badass when they spent every waking moment training, and had to utilize that training in life or death situations on a practically daily basis. Not to say that there isn't great benefit to those styles (when I used to rigorously train in Hung Gar my general fitness level was way beyond what I get from the gym/P90x and my forearms were practically the size of my thighs... it was ridiculous), but they just aren't as practical in this day and age.

I'd put my money on someone who has studied "American" mixed martial arts for 2 years than someone who has studied tae kwon do or whatever bullcrap for 10. The era of the "Ten Tigers of Kwangtung" and such is long past. You would be hard-pressed to find 10 men of such caliber on the entire continent of Asia.

And anyway, everyone knows the real American martial art is shooting you in the face with the best pistols and rifles ever developed.

Omegus wrote:I would say that "American martial arts" (by which I assume you mean mixed martial arts, which borrow from all sorts of disciplines such us jiujitsu, sambo, muay thai, etc. and thus the whole label is faulty to begin with) are more effective than the traditional martial arts, at least today.

The lineage of a lot of these traditional styles has severely degraded over the centuries, in no small part due to the less rigorous training. I guarantee you even the staunchest kung fu school isn't making new students stand in horse stance for a few months before teaching them anything else. Those guys were badass when they spent every waking moment training, and had to utilize that training in life or death situations on a practically daily basis. Not to say that there isn't great benefit to those styles (when I used to rigorously train in Hung Gar my general fitness level was way beyond what I get from the gym/P90x and my forearms were practically the size of my thighs... it was ridiculous), but they just aren't as practical in this day and age.

I'd put my money on someone who has studied "American" mixed martial arts for 2 years than someone who has studied tae kwon do or whatever bullcrap for 10. The era of the "Ten Tigers of Kwangtung" and such is long past. You would be hard-pressed to find 10 men of such caliber on the entire continent of Asia.

And anyway, everyone knows the real American martial art is shooting you in the face with the best pistols and rifles ever developed.

LOL YOU DONT EVEN FIGHT. Such a dis-respectfuil joke of a paragraph,

Not sure if you cant tell, but that is black. in kyokushin, we dont use pads when we spar, no mouthgards, bloodsport, fight against american trained students and they haven't even trained how to take a hit let alone meditated and studied how to deliver one without breaking their fists



using your logic, a shaolin monk who has trained for 10 years wouldn't beat a american student training for 2. Good one Bro!

I believe the term is
8year fighter
nuff
said?

oh and btw, ak 74 Kalashnikov is better than any american gun, atleast it doesn't jam

edit: sorry i just read that your arms were as big as your thighs, not a good sensei, the ratio of your arm to legs should almost be 2-1, good luck getting any speed out of them.

It was hyperbole for the sake of levity... the qigong and tiger forms gave the most drastic increase in muscle mass. Everything else was already big to begin with.

Shaolin monks are kind of a joke these days, mostly there to entertain tourists. Yes, I believe someone who trained for 2 years for competition mixed martial arts with the same intensity that modern shaolin monks train for their little exhibition acrobatics, would own said shaolin monk. Unless, of course, you're comparing studying karate on some mountain in Japan vs. studying karate at the local strip mall (you know, the one between the Korean nail salon and a Chinese drycleaners), in which case I concede you the point.

And no one cares about your pretty little belt, that's what 10mm 200 grain hollowpoints are for. And isn't the black belt symbolic of someone who has just established enough of a baseline where you can instruct others, but are really only starting the learning process towards true mastery? You come across quite arrogant for someone who supposedly holds true traditional martial art values. Your sifu/sensei would be ashamed of you.

Omegus wrote:It was hyperbole for the sake of levity... the qigong and tiger forms gave the most drastic increase in muscle mass. Everything else was already big to begin with.

Shaolin monks are kind of a joke these days, mostly there to entertain tourists. Yes, I believe someone who trained for 2 years for competition mixed martial arts with the same intensity that modern shaolin monks train for their little exhibition acrobatics, would own said shaolin monk.

And no one cares about your pretty little belt, that's what 10mm 200 grain hollowpoints are for. And isn't the black belt symbolic of someone who has just established enough of a baseline where you can instruct others, but are really only starting the learning process towards true mastery? You come across quite arrogant for someone who supposedly holds true traditional martial art values. Your sifu/sensei would be ashamed of you.

so your last 2 statements have taken it off topic again and resorted to guns, congratulations.

Nice attempt to deflect the meat of the argument.

Omegus wrote:Nice attempt to deflect the meat of the argument.

"pretty little belt" nice. I know that in america you can go grading like once every 3 months or something ridiculous, heck you can even ask for opportunities to grade, in true dojo's you never ask, you get asked.

implying that i don't teach anyway, interesting assumption.

sorry i stopped reading when you implied that you can go straight into competition training for 2 years with not training before hand.

Most powerful, uh, entity in 40k is definitely, uh, the, uh, Tau God. >_>