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im2randomghgh wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

n0t_u wrote:Obviously it's Tzeentch, no one knows his grand plan.

Tzeentch could have just one day thought "what would happen if I combined a lot of sharman together?", bam Emprah. Or perhaps the Emperor was Tzeentch.

You missed the part where Khorne was the first Chaos God to rise, during our Middle Ages. The Emperor is thus older than the Ruinous Powers.

I was going to say something about that too.

And actually Nurgle is the oldest. No one even knows when he was created.

Lexicanum states that Khorne is the oldest, 40k wikia that Nurgle is. Neither one gives any sources, although both agree that Khorne was born during the Medieval Ages while Nurgle's date of birth is unknown. My conclusion thus is that Khorne, having a "confirmed" time of birth, has more backing him than Nurgle as oldest Chaos God. Of course, since neither fansite provides any reference to sources, they might as well have been born in M68 and travelled back in time for all we know.

im2randomghgh wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:The Emperor of ten thousand years ago wasn't nearly as powerful as the Emperor of today.

The current Emperor has a cult of trillions funneling him power. This is the Emperor that the Chaos gods were actually afraid of.

Actually he was more powerful before thousands of times over than he is now.

Of those trillions, only the psykers are able to actually help him, and only when sacrificed.

You should research how faith and worship works in the 40k universe.

Brother Coa wrote:

Rogerio134 wrote:
Emperor got punked by a super beefy Chaos Champion who before punking the Emperor punked a Primarch for a warm-up.

Horus then told the Emprah to "Sit Down" and he has ever since.

Chaos > The Emperor

Emperor killed all of their champion, but he didn't want to kill his son.

When he fought with him, essence and power of all 4 Chaos gods where in Horus. Even near the end of his life, he destoy his son, his souls and shattered the Chaos gods ( all 4 of them ).

Even now he is f****** with them by denying them most of Human souls that goes to warp ( except heretics ). And he is doing that with 20% of his power ( 80% is stuck in him and poweringthe Astronomicon ).

So Emperor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chaos Gods

There is no source which clearly states what happens to human souls after their dead. The imperials believe that the Emperor saves them, but it is equaly possible that they simply desolve in the warp / are consumed by the Chaos gods and their servants. The Emperor does not power the Astronomican, the sacrificed psykers do. The corpsegod merely uses whatever is left of his once considerable might to direct that power.
Unlike the Chaos gods the Emperor of Man is rather short on actual miracles. A living saint from time to time and perhaps some premonitions, that's it. No rifts in the warp cause he was bored, no ( with the exception of the mentioned saints ) Champions which carry a part of his might, no daemons. Keeping a rent to the webway in check can't be that difficult, because Eldar Craftworlds seem to do it all the time ( it is stated in the Eldar codex that many parts of the webway had to be sealed and a "mere" Farseer is able to seal a webwaygate in one of the GG novels)

KingDeath wrote:
There is no source which clearly states what happens to human souls after their dead. The imperials believe that the Emperor saves them, but it is equaly possible that they simply desolve in the warp / are consumed by the Chaos gods and their servants. The Emperor does not power the Astronomican, the sacrificed psykers do. The corpsegod merely uses whatever is left of his once considerable might to direct that power.
Unlike the Chaos gods the Emperor of Man is rather short on actual miracles. A living saint from time to time and perhaps some premonitions, that's it. No rifts in the warp cause he was bored, no ( with the exception of the mentioned saints ) Champions which carry a part of his might, no daemons. Keeping a rent to the webway in check can't be that difficult, because Eldar Craftworlds seem to do it all the time ( it is stated in the Eldar codex that many parts of the webway had to be sealed and a "mere" Farseer is able to seal a webwaygate in one of the GG novels)

Just like there is no source that states what happened to the souls of heretics after they died. But official fluff is that those souls goes to the lord they served in the warp, heretics goes toward Chaos gods, Imperials to the Emperor. And we have already see in official fluff that Emperor is a god waiting to be born. They sacrifice psykers to give it a little juice but it is the Emperor that is giving some of his power to it ( why is then said when the Emperor dies that Astronomican will fail? ). He is also keeping the Human Webway closed and he is helping his followers of the field of battle ( acts of faith ).

Short of miracles? Try the storm of Emperor's wrath. The man who in almost death state have the ability to create warp storm is nothing short than a miracle men.
One one more miracle? Try to unite Human race in current state, this days is even easier than when the Emperor was uniting in 31'st millennium.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

n0t_u wrote:Obviously it's Tzeentch, no one knows his grand plan.

Tzeentch could have just one day thought "what would happen if I combined a lot of sharman together?", bam Emprah. Or perhaps the Emperor was Tzeentch.

You missed the part where Khorne was the first Chaos God to rise, during our Middle Ages. The Emperor is thus older than the Ruinous Powers.

I was going to say something about that too.

And actually Nurgle is the oldest. No one even knows when he was created.

Lexicanum states that Khorne is the oldest, 40k wikia that Nurgle is. Neither one gives any sources, although both agree that Khorne was born during the Medieval Ages while Nurgle's date of birth is unknown. My conclusion thus is that Khorne, having a "confirmed" time of birth, has more backing him than Nurgle as oldest Chaos God. Of course, since neither fansite provides any reference to sources, they might as well have been born in M68 and travelled back in time for all we know.

Chaos Codex (4th edition) Pg 32 under Doombreed's subsection it states "Khorne was the first of the Great Gods of Chaos to awake fully, and Doombreed was one of the first of his servants"

So, even if Khorne is younger than Nurgle, he was the first to fully awaken.

Melissia wrote:Gork and Mork probably rival the Emperor, and that makes them a triumvirate of death.

The "Emperor" requires the blood of a 1000 psykers a day in order to survive. Gork and Mork only require battle. In the warhammer40k universe, there is ALWAYS battle.

Gork and Mork. Yin and Yang. Shake and bake.

Whats with the higher votes for Gork rather than Mork?

You can't kill change........

schan122 wrote:

Melissia wrote:Gork and Mork probably rival the Emperor, and that makes them a triumvirate of death.

The "Emperor" requires the blood of a 1000 psykers a day in order to survive. Gork and Mork only require battle. In the warhammer40k universe, there is ALWAYS battle.

Gork and Mork. Yin and Yang. Shake and bake.

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They require ORKS to battle. When the IoM battles Tau, G&M don't get stronger (though Khorne does)


And a LOT more than 1000 orks die every day.

Clearly it's Nurgle...sooner or later everything rots and falls away.

FITZZ wrote: Clearly it's Nurgle...sooner or later everything rots and falls away.

No.

Things that get vaporised don't.

Plus, khorne is stronger.

Ynnead.

Mainly because we have no idea how powerful he will be. All we know is that he's going to go toe-to-toe with a Chaos God, and probably win.

Mork and Gork hands down. The other 'Gods' can't even touch them.

CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT is clearly the most powerful!

Cerebrium wrote:Ynnead.

Mainly because we have no idea how powerful he will be. All we know is that he's going to go toe-to-toe with a Chaos God, and probably win.

Same goes for star child.

Plus, the Emperor is already more powerful than all four of them.

im2randomghgh wrote:

schan122 wrote:

Melissia wrote:Gork and Mork probably rival the Emperor, and that makes them a triumvirate of death.

The "Emperor" requires the blood of a 1000 psykers a day in order to survive. Gork and Mork only require battle. In the warhammer40k universe, there is ALWAYS battle.

Gork and Mork. Yin and Yang. Shake and bake.

\

They require ORKS to battle. When the IoM battles Tau, G&M don't get stronger (though Khorne does)


And a LOT more than 1000 orks die every day.

You just proved why Gork and Mork truly ARE the most powerful. The number of Orks is uncountable. And they ALL fight at the very least each other every single day. So Gork and Mork are powered by an uncountable force fighting every single day everyday for always. So yes. Its Gork and Mork.

they should be 1 entry on the list by the way.

When the Emperor dies and gets reborn again than he will be the MOST powerfull being ever.

Also take into consideration that the Emperor has more ork kills than anyone in history. Who would you fear more? The guys who never come out on top or the guy (even while in stasis) has minions killing more and more for him daily.

The orks have no sense of fear.

The only people that think the Emperor coming back would be THE MOST POWERFUl BEING EVER are IOM fanboys and the IOM's PR department.

If you can source me fluff that says specifically that a reborn emperor would unarguably be the most powerful being in the universe, bar none i'll retract that statement

Something to think about-

The big E has personally more ork kills than anyone in history? Source?

If you mean the IOM then you're still wrong. The ORKS have the most ork kills in history Also every time you kill an ork it spores, making more orks (unless you get creative, which is really NOT the IOM's speciality..)

Ascalam wrote:The orks have no sense of fear.

The only people that think the Emperor coming back would be THE MOST POWERFUl BEING EVER are IOM fanboys and the IOM's PR department.

If you can source me fluff that says specifically that a reborn emperor would unarguably be the most powerful being in the universe, bar none i'll retract that statement

Something to think about-

The big E has personally more ork kills than anyone in history? Source?

If you mean the IOM then you're still wrong. The ORKS have the most ork kills in history Also every time you kill an ork it spores, making more orks (unless you get creative, which is really NOT the IOM's speciality..)

Consider this: when the Emperor finally decided to obliterate Horus he blasted him with psychic power of such an intensity that all four Chaos gods withdrew from Horus out of fear for their lives. A reborn Emperor would have that power in addition to the combined power of all the psykers He has consumed since the Heresy. Oh, but I forgot, the notion that such power would be the most powerful recorded power fluff-wise is *CLEARLY* only the mad ravings of fanboys... /sarcasm

I disagree. The Old "The Emperor and Horus" story from William King simply states that the Chaosgods retreated from the dying Horus's body ( Driven by all the force of his rage and pain and hatred the Emperor wills Horus's death. He senses the forces of Chaos retreat, disengaging themselves from their pawn ).
If a reborn Emperor of Man would even have the power that the Horus Heresy Emperor had is uncertain. Sure, the raw potential would be there ( if we assume that the warp entity is still around and uncorrupted ), but it takes even the most gifted psyker many years to actually master his abilities. Learning anew what took 50000 years to master might take some time.

Regarding the comparision with the warpgods, i have to disagree here too. The Emperor of Men consumes psykers to keep him alive and to power the Astronomicon. If those psykersouls add to his power in the warp is uncertain and ultimately unknown. Even if they do, every single moment of bloodshed, every second of despair, every single deluded hope and every passion of all the souls in the warp will fuel the Dark Gods ( who are still more or less confined to the warp, and occupied with their meaningless internal struggles ). I doubt that anything can even remotely compare to them.

Personally I think It's a battle between the Emperor and Gork and Mork (If they were one choice) Because Gork and Mork may shrug off all attacks from the chaos gods, but the Emperor was more powerful than the chaos gods when he was alive and is stronger now. I had to vote the Emperor though.

Tzeentch can see the future very clearly, though not through himself.

Sethoroth Massivemune wrote:Tzeentch can see the future very clearly, though not through himself.

Having nine times nine Lords of Change interpreting Fateweaver's 'mad ramblings' doesn't sound all that clear to me.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Ascalam wrote:The orks have no sense of fear.

The only people that think the Emperor coming back would be THE MOST POWERFUl BEING EVER are IOM fanboys and the IOM's PR department.

If you can source me fluff that says specifically that a reborn emperor would unarguably be the most powerful being in the universe, bar none i'll retract that statement

Something to think about-

The big E has personally more ork kills than anyone in history? Source?

If you mean the IOM then you're still wrong. The ORKS have the most ork kills in history Also every time you kill an ork it spores, making more orks (unless you get creative, which is really NOT the IOM's speciality..)

Consider this: when the Emperor finally decided to obliterate Horus he blasted him with psychic power of such an intensity that all four Chaos gods withdrew from Horus out of fear for their lives. A reborn Emperor would have that power in addition to the combined power of all the psykers He has consumed since the Heresy. Oh, but I forgot, the notion that such power would be the most powerful recorded power fluff-wise is *CLEARLY* only the mad ravings of fanboys... /sarcasm

I considered it

So the most powerful MORTAL psyker the humans had nuked the vessel the Chaos gods were riding along, destroying him. The Chaos gods realized that Horus was doomed, and withdrew (because he would be no further use).

The consumed psykers were just that-consumed. Do you still have the energy provided by last month's bacon sandwich? His power is fading, despite eating zillions of psykers a year. This has been explicitly stated.


Gork and Mork are also mentiond to completely ignore a 'baleful warning' from the emperor in the fluff, and to be pretty much immune to actual gods, let along theoretically ascended mortals. There is nothing in any fluff i have that says the Emperor actually is a god (but he is called one by the IOM ).
So yes, fanboy.

What's all this Emperor nonsense? The reason he's stuck on eternal life support right now is because he got into a fight with a mere servant of Chaos... And he's lucky he even survived, let alone won the fight! No way would he stand a chance against even one Chaos god.

*Cue the 'but he's pimpslapping them in the warp' argument....*

ok guys but sorry you cant call the god emperor of man the most powerful

at this point in time some toddler could beat him by simply pulling the power plug on his golden throne out of the wall, instant catistrophic failure

SLAAAAAANEEEEESSSHHHHHH

'm gonna go ahead and say Nightbringer/ whichever C'Tan is last alive. They certainly have the power, and when they destroy the warp, all psychers no longer matter. The emperor is just another morsel on the smorgasbord.

Well, for some strange reason, I do not see Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka
Just joking, but I'd have to say either Gork or the Hive Mind.

I voted for Tzeentch because.....well...he just is alright? My uncle told me so and he should know coz he's from Birmingham.........so there.