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**Godless-Mimicry**

Fafnir wrote:
No... Smogon doesn't limit battles to three per team. Smogon's wonderful. I love Smogon. It's the official online ranked matches that have this stupid 3-per-team restriction.

Never even heard of them. Is it Nintendo sanctioned like?

**doc1234**

Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Fafnir wrote:
No... Smogon doesn't limit battles to three per team. Smogon's wonderful. I love Smogon. It's the official online ranked matches that have this stupid 3-per-team restriction.

Never even heard of them. Is it Nintendo sanctioned like?

http://www.smogon.com/

It's basically the central community for pokemon battling online, IRC, forums, and I think competitions? Though don't quote me on that.

**LordofHats**

Smogon and the online simulator community isn't sanctioned by NIntendo so much as allowed to exist.

Baffling when you think about it really cause Nintendo sure doesn't want lets plays to exist but copyright infrining simulators of their game are a okay

But yeah. Smogon is awesome. Lots of info, a chatroom dedicated to friend codes for safaris, huge trade threads and breeding shops etc.

**Godless-Mimicry**

I wasn't asking about who Smogon was; I played Pokemon competitively for a few years in 4th gen., but what I meant were who are this official ranked group that Fafnir is talking about?

**Fafnir**

As in official online rankings on the 3DS.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
I'd just like to add, right now I have some hidden ability Dratinis, as well as Pursuit/SR Larvitars available for trade. They all should have 4-5 perfect IVs. I'm looking for:

Slowpoke (Regenerator) (turns out you actually can get it from hordes)
Absol (Justified)

Female is preferable.

I'm also open to other offers.

**Godless-Mimicry**

Fafnir wrote:
As in official online rankings on the 3DS.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
I'd just like to add, right now I have some hidden ability Dratinis, as well as Pursuit/SR Larvitars available for trade. They all should have 4-5 perfect IVs. I'm looking for:

Slowpoke (Regenerator) (turns out you actually can get it from hordes)
Absol (Justified)

Female is preferable.

I'm also open to other offers.

I'll take a look through my boxes for you later.

Never knew there were official 3DS rankings. Can you point me to where I can see these please Faf?

**Fafnir**

Use the Battle Spot option in the online window, and you'll have a rank.

But it's hardly of any value. Since the ranked online mode for singles is 3v3 (picked after team preview), it's pretty much a coin flip to see if you picked the right counters.

**Godless-Mimicry**

Ah, so it's PBR style. You are right then to an extent, but you can also build to a 3v3 meta, or at least you could back in the gen.4 days. I won't lie though, it wasn't terribly exciting, and did still often devolve into a one-sided affair.

**mega_bassist**

Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Ah, so it's PBR style. You are right then to an extent, but you can also build to a 3v3 meta, or at least you could back in the gen.4 days. I won't lie though, it wasn't terribly exciting, and did still often devolve into a one-sided affair.

PBR?? WHERE!?

Spoiler:

...ha, it's been a crazy day, and I could use a beer.

**4oursword**

Can I get a hidden ability Froakie at some point? I looked at the GTS, but don't want to part with my Yveltal/Zygarde/Mewtwo for one.

I'll be able to find something worthy of getting, I'm sure.

**4oursword**

Argh, I want a Houndour too, and don't want to sacrifice a Zygarde for one. Stupid GTS.

**LordofHats**

Houndour is available in Y. If you put something up you got from a friend safari and ask for a Houndour you'll probably get one in a day.

**4oursword**

I shall throw a Noibat at it and hope that happens. Although it's not available in Y, it's exclusive to X :(

**mega_bassist**

LordofHats wrote:
Houndour is available in Y. If you put something up you got from a friend safari and ask for a Houndour you'll probably get one in a day.

Last I saw, Houndour was in X only. They're pretty available online, though.

**LordofHats**

My bad lol. Yeah it is X XD. SHould have known that, I have Y

**mega_bassist**

Haha. My girlfriend has X, but she keep "forgetting" to find one and trade it to me -.-

**Fafnir**

I appreciate how the moment I finish building one team, I start planning the next one.

**Godless-Mimicry**

4oursword wrote:
Argh, I want a Houndour too, and don't want to sacrifice a Zygarde for one. Stupid GTS.

I think I caught one yesterday during my X playthrough. Will check and get back to you, but if I have one you can have it for anything.

**Fafnir**

So... it turns out I have a new favourite pokemon. Hello, Quagsire.

In other news, Blaziken is finally officially banned from Smogon standard once more.

**Godless-Mimicry**

Fafnir wrote:
So... it turns out I have a new favourite pokemon. Hello, Quagsire.

In other news, Blaziken is finally officially banned from Smogon standard once more.

Is he outright banned or just made Uber?

**LordofHats**

I might as well be ubar cause talonflame takes a giant gak on his face XD

**4oursword**

I played the smogon sim a lot. Mega Houndoom in the sun is hilarious.

**Fafnir**

Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Fafnir wrote:
So... it turns out I have a new favourite pokemon. Hello, Quagsire.

In other news, Blaziken is finally officially banned from Smogon standard once more.

Is he outright banned or just made Uber?

Uber.

LordofHats wrote:I might as well be ubar cause talonflame takes a giant gak on his face XD

Talonflame also gets utterly crushed by stealth rock and can't safely switch in on him because of it.

**p_gray99**

Talonflame's ability is good, but it's not helped by its measley base 81 attack stat which, while not being utterly terrible, isn't that great for OU compared to physical attackers such as banded dragonite, kyurem-b or shell smash cloyster to name a few. That, coupled with taking 50% damage each time it switches in, will probably put it down in UU once the tiers have settled a little.

**Fafnir**

I honestly think that Talonflame does have a place in OU, or at the very least, UU with potential to work well in specific OU teams.

Losing 50% off of SR on the switch is pretty bad, but we've been given some new tools to combat entry hazards this gen, and priority on all flying-type moves is just too good to ignore. Volcarona has a similar crippling weakness (actually even worse, since it's not even immune to spikes), but manages to do quite well with the right support, and I can see Talonflame doing very much the same.

But it's definitely not the kind of pokemon you can just throw on to any team, as it seems some people are doing now. You definitely need to build your team around ensuring he gets in safely.

**Godless-Mimicry**

Thing is, while having priority on all Flying type moves seems great, in a competitive build you are only going to have one anyway. So it's not much to write home about.

And historically the majority of Pokes with 4x weakness to entry hazards get relegated to UU, though there are of course exceptions, but I don't think Talonflame will be one of them.

**Fafnir**

Still, priority Bravebird/Acrobatics and Roost(!) are both fantastic, and access to swords dance/bulk up can give it the ability to hit hard with prediction.

Even without priority, with 126 speed, it will be outspeeding a lot of the competition with Flare Blitz.

Even if it ends up UU, it'll definitely be capable of finding a viable niche in OU teams.

**Shredsmore**

Fafnir wrote:
Still, priority Bravebird/Acrobatics and Roost(!)

Don't forget the newly viable defog!

**Godless-Mimicry**

Fafnir wrote:
Still, priority Bravebird/Acrobatics and Roost(!) are both fantastic, and access to swords dance/bulk up can give it the ability to hit hard with prediction.

Even without priority, with 126 speed, it will be outspeeding a lot of the competition with Flare Blitz.

Even if it ends up UU, it'll definitely be capable of finding a viable niche in OU teams.

126 Speed means that the ability becomes even less of a wow factor, given that it is fast enough anyway. Problem is the mediocre-at-best attack stat, meaning it is been lynched into either a Banded set or a Sword's Dance set, which could be difficult given the 4x weakness to Stealth Rock (harder to get a switch in to set-up on) and its weak defenses.

Not bad by any means, and maybe it will see some use in OU, but I don't see it being as popular as many might think.

**doc1234**

Just a thought, but how would people feel about a Dakka mini tourney?