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 Azza007 wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Azza I noticed you got a bruins logo! If you're in the boston area we should play a game sometime!

Note the flag, may be difficult. Though I do have it as a must to go to Boston and see them play.

I salute you sir, if you do make it down... I'll catch the game with you and buy you a beer!


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 Skriker wrote:

 Azza007 wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Azza I noticed you got a bruins logo! If you're in the boston area we should play a game sometime!

Note the flag, may be difficult. Though I do have it as a must to go to Boston and see them play.

Take your army when you do.

Skriker

Skriker, when he comes to visit get your ass up from PA, we'll have a 3 way!

Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Azza007 wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Azza I noticed you got a bruins logo! If you're in the boston area we should play a game sometime!

Note the flag, may be difficult. Though I do have it as a must to go to Boston and see them play.

I salute you sir, if you do make it down... I'll catch the game with you and buy you a beer!


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 Skriker wrote:

 Azza007 wrote:

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
Azza I noticed you got a bruins logo! If you're in the boston area we should play a game sometime!

Note the flag, may be difficult. Though I do have it as a must to go to Boston and see them play.

Take your army when you do.

Skriker

Skriker, when he comes to visit get your ass up from PA, we'll have a 3 way!

Nah, let's all just meet in Buffalo. We'll get in a couple of games, have a few Canadian beers, and watch the Bruins beat the ever-living crap out of my beloved Sabres.

Fun though it is to meet up with fellow enthusiasts and drink beer, things have got off topic so I will close the thread.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Fun though it is to meet up with fellow enthusiasts and drink beer, things have got off topic so I will close the thread.

You didn't close the thread.

So why does it matter if some people don't want to play against an unpainted army? I've seen the term "butt-hurt" thrown down, yet it seems to apply more to those who feel slighted by not being accepted somehow by the entire WH40K community regardless of their unpainted army. I don't assume anything about WHY an army is unpainted nor do I ascribe any reasons for it; it simply makes the game less enjoyable for me. But I don't play pick-up games either, so it's not like I show up at a store looking to play and then refuse because I don't like what I see. If others don't mind unpainted minis, great! Why do I have to conform to another standard or be labeled as someone undesirable? It's nothing more than political correctness for a hobby. How silly is that?

I don't play against unpainted armies, but plenty of others do. So why is there a demand for total acceptance? It is not only not needed, it will never happen.

The OP asked the question why does it make people mad when others have unpainted armies, not why don't people play against those armies. I'm just curious why it actually irks people...

 Happyjew wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Fun though it is to meet up with fellow enthusiasts and drink beer, things have got off topic so I will close the thread.

You didn't close the thread.

Got it back on track though.

The reason why a lot of people dislike unpainted armies is because for most wargamers wargaming is playing tabletop games with painted models.

The long standing culture is to use painted armies. Players who don't think it is worth using painted figures are seen as disrespecting the culture.

And everyone knows you don't feth with the Culture.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Fun though it is to meet up with fellow enthusiasts and drink beer, things have got off topic so I will close the thread.

You didn't close the thread.

Got it back on track though.

The reason why a lot of people dislike unpainted armies is because for most wargamers wargaming is playing tabletop games with painted models.

The long standing culture is to use painted armies. Players who don't think it is worth using painted figures are seen as disrespecting the culture.

And everyone knows you don't feth with the Culture.

I get that perspective, but honestly some others have brought up the good point of a lot of people not having the time due to real life obligations. I feel they shouldn't be shunned upon because they are still showing up, playing games hopefully respectfully and giving someone else the time in their day for a game. For me the hobby is so multifaceted that I don't think you're out of the culture having unpainted models, after all they're still wargaming and in my humble opinion that's what it's all about!

kb305 wrote:

 Krellnus wrote:

 Mark1130 wrote:
Im one of those A-Holes who will not play against an unpainted army. Nor will I play with a unpainted miniature. Im sorry and mean no disrespect.

I spent 1000's of hours and money on my armies, and only want to pit it against other armies of it's caliber. I play against painted armies because it tells me one, that player is into the game and adores it as much as me. Second, it really helps my imagination really run wild when I'm fighting painted armies.

Sorry to be the Jerk, but there is to much awesome to be had playing and competing against painted armies.

And what if someone cannot paint without physical pain and doesn't have the money to afford the army AND a commission?

sell off your unused stuff, save money by hunting for deals on minis and/or buying from the cheapest online discounters you can find and buy less crap. eventually you should be able to save up enough to get some commission.

but then putting up ebay listing or hunting for deals is also probably too much effort for the nonpainters.

So basically he's not lazy scum, he's poor scum?

I'm out.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
The reason why a lot of people dislike unpainted armies is because for most wargamers wargaming is playing tabletop games with painted models.

The long standing culture is to use painted armies.

Exactly. That's just the simple truth of the matter and why it will always come down to that.

Dalymiddleboro wrote:
I get that perspective, but honestly some others have brought up the good point of a lot of people not having the time due to real life obligations. I feel they shouldn't be shunned upon because they are still showing up, playing games hopefully respectfully and giving someone else the time in their day for a game. For me the hobby is so multifaceted that I don't think you're out of the culture having unpainted models, after all they're still wargaming and in my humble opinion that's what it's all about!

And yet, you still don't get that there's a distinction between the people who have difficulty finding the time and the people Kilkrazy is referring to, namely;

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Players who don't think it is worth using painted figures.

Having your own, differing opinion on something does not automatically equate to shunning the other player. Seriously, count up how many posters said they would still battle grey armies, despite not wanting to, versus posters who said they would flat out deny games against grey armies. Furthermore, out of the latter, count up how many of those state it's down to their own personal standards to which they hold themselves, versus those who state it's down to judgements made about the owner of the grey army. I think you will find the results interesting in light of the over-reactionary, hyper-defensive outbursts that they have been met with.

 Krellnus wrote:
So basically he's not lazy scum, he's poor scum?

^Case in point.

I'm out.

Thank goodness for that, the weight of that chip on your shoulder was giving everybody a back ache.

I have to say that I've never been in a position where I couldn't form a narrative because of unpainted models but then I've never been one who did that :/ I just played a strategy game where this thing did this and that thing did that. I don’t think I've ever cared so long as the "things" were the right size for what they do (hell I've had a mate proxy 4 battery packs as land raiders before) and after the game I always coo over a well painted mini but it has no impact on me during games though that being said it’s cool if I’m facing a painted army as it looks pretty (then again I’ve faced armies where them being unpainted would have been preferable)

I've never understood people who get pissy because they can't "forge a narrative" from unpainted minis. Hell can't even understand why people who spent ages painting an army get upset when a bunch of legs on bases table them. It just means that they played better/ had a better list than you did. That’s all it really comes down to. The outcome would have been the same no matter what your opponent was using as those units

I always try to paint my armies as I enjoy how they look when I’m done. But the way I see it, if you’re frustrated that I have the nerve to show up with an unpainted army when you spent ages painting your own army, you really need to consider just who you were painting your army for……

 DPBellathrom wrote:
I have to say that I've never been in a position where I couldn't form a narrative because of unpainted models but then I've never been one who did that :/ I just played a strategy game where this thing did this and that thing did that. I don’t think I've ever cared so long as the "things" were the right size for what they do (hell I've had a mate proxy 4 battery packs as land raiders before) and after the game I always coo over a well painted mini but it has no impact on me during games though that being said it’s cool if I’m facing a painted army as it looks pretty (then again I’ve faced armies where them being unpainted would have been preferable)

I've never understood people who get pissy because they can't "forge a narrative" from unpainted minis. Hell can't even understand why people who spent ages painting an army get upset when a bunch of legs on bases table them. It just means that they played better/ had a better list than you did. That’s all it really comes down to. The outcome would have been the same no matter what your opponent was using as those units

I always try to paint my armies as I enjoy how they look when I’m done. But the way I see it, if you’re frustrated that I have the nerve to show up with an unpainted army when you spent ages painting your own army, you really need to consider just who you were painting your army for……

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You really hit the nail on the head dude.

Trying to spot the grey/black guardsmen holding the plasma guns in a sea of grey/black can be pretty annoying.

I would rather play a nice gamer with a grey army than an arrogant play with a golden daemon standard one. The game itself is what matters not the presence of some paint. Sometimes I find it worse when you have models that looks like blobs of paint done with a decorating brush instead of a model brush. That stuff offends the eyes, bring on the grey instead.

Dalymiddleboro wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Fun though it is to meet up with fellow enthusiasts and drink beer, things have got off topic so I will close the thread.

You didn't close the thread.

Got it back on track though.

The reason why a lot of people dislike unpainted armies is because for most wargamers wargaming is playing tabletop games with painted models.

The long standing culture is to use painted armies. Players who don't think it is worth using painted figures are seen as disrespecting the culture.

And everyone knows you don't feth with the Culture.

I get that perspective, but honestly some others have brought up the good point of a lot of people not having the time due to real life obligations. I feel they shouldn't be shunned upon because they are still showing up, playing games hopefully respectfully and giving someone else the time in their day for a game. For me the hobby is so multifaceted that I don't think you're out of the culture having unpainted models, after all they're still wargaming and in my humble opinion that's what it's all about!

The core issue is that people who want to play with painted armies do not want to play with unpainted armies, but people who want to play with unpainted armies want to get games by playing with people who want to play with painted armies.

There is a strand of opinion that players of unpainted armies are entitled to be accepted by players of painted armies, due to various explanations such as not having time to paint the figures. Not everyone accepts those arguments, though.

That is the clash of cultures, IMO.

I personally just don't understand the mindset of having no time to paint, yet having the time to dedicate 3-4 hours a week to playing. To me it is simple take a few weeks off playing and paint instead.

Niexist wrote:
I personally just don't understand the mindset of having no time to paint, yet having the time to dedicate 3-4 hours a week to playing. To me it is simple take a few weeks off playing and paint instead.

I mentioned this while ago, the people here are telling us their lives are hard and they have no time to paint but apparently have the time to buy, build, play, and spend hours online talking about it. Nor do they have money to get it commissioned, or any inclination to learn to paint quicker because they have extremely high standards for the models they don't want to paint. Oh and we are jerks if we don't accept that choice

It's Goob-hammer in all its glory.

 Ravenous D wrote:

Niexist wrote:
I personally just don't understand the mindset of having no time to paint, yet having the time to dedicate 3-4 hours a week to playing. To me it is simple take a few weeks off playing and paint instead.

I mentioned this while ago, the people here are telling us their lives are hard and they have no time to paint but apparently have the time to buy, build, play, and spend hours online talking about it. Nor do they have money to get it commissioned, or any inclination to learn to paint quicker because they have extremely high standards for the models they don't want to paint. Oh and we are jerks if we don't accept that choice

It's Goob-hammer in all its glory.

well......you kinda are.....

if someone doesn't have time to paint their army (which isn't necessary to play the game) then they sure as hell shouldn't be refused a game. many people, such as myself, would much rather be playing the game (hell, that's why I play it) than painting the toys that go with it.


between building the army, work, social life and engaging in other hobbies you tend to have little time to get the army painted and if you're not fussed about having a fully painted army then that's gonna be right at the back of your priority list.

saying that someone doesn't have the inclination to speed up their painting because of their high standards for models they don't want to paint is just ignorant. it takes a long time to make a model look good and some of us DO have a really high standard for painting (like myself) so it takes even longer for us to get a painted army. I would much rather field an entire army of grey plastic then field a single model that I'm not happy with. Hell, the wood elf army that I won best painted with at one of the invasion tournies was bad enough as most of my rangers didn't have dotted eyes :/ it was only because of time that I forced myself to run them

commision painting is an option but it's even more expensive and something most people can't afford.

now, personally, if I were to walk into a games club with my half painted army and was refused a game from someone, only because my army wasn't painted, I would instantly assume that they were an elitest jerk. I feel that after buying an army and building it there should be no reason why I shouldn't be allowed to play it.

I guess I'll just never understand the mindset of "I wont enjoy it as much so you have no right to enjoy it at all"

This goes to the root of the issue.

You do not have a right to enjoy a game at someone else's expense.

People who want to play people with painted armies have any obligation to play your unpainted army if they won't enjoy playing.

No-one is stopping you from playing with as many other grey army players as you like.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
This goes to the root of the issue.

You do not have a right to enjoy a game at someone else's expense.

People who want to play people with painted armies have any obligation to play your unpainted army if they won't enjoy playing.

No-one is stopping you from playing with as many other grey army players as you like.

if someone isn't going to enjoy the game full stop then that's fine. If you NEED to play a painted army to enjoy a game of 40K ok, it's an odd mind set to have but fair enough. I'm not going to force you to play a game that you're not going to enjoy. it's the same as if I were to bring a tourny army and you have your fluffy fluff army. I'm gonna stomp all over it, you're not gonna have fun, neither am I so it's best not to play.

but if it's just something that would make it slightly less enjoyable then you have no right to stop someone playing just because everything isn't exactly the way you want it to be.

I love playing against fully painted armies but if a sea of grey shows up, ok it wont be as enjoyable but it'll still be fun. if someone rocks up with an army that they painted with their tounge I'm not gonna say no. my inner painter will be writhing all game but it wont have a huge impact on the game itself and there's a good chance that it'll still be fun

 DPBellathrom wrote:
many people, such as myself, would much rather be playing the game (hell, that's why I play it) than painting the toys that go with it.

And I'd rather go to paint some models than play against your grey plastic army. You are perfectly entitled spend your own time like you wish, but you're not entitled to spent my time like you wish.

 Ravenous D wrote:

Niexist wrote:
I personally just don't understand the mindset of having no time to paint, yet having the time to dedicate 3-4 hours a week to playing. To me it is simple take a few weeks off playing and paint instead.

I mentioned this while ago, the people here are telling us their lives are hard and they have no time to paint but apparently have the time to buy, build, play, and spend hours online talking about it. Nor do they have money to get it commissioned, or any inclination to learn to paint quicker because they have extremely high standards for the models they don't want to paint. Oh and we are jerks if we don't accept that choice

It's Goob-hammer in all its glory.

Having 3-4 hours isn't the same as having say, 10 hours. What a shock! You might have time to play OR to paint, but not both. So if you happen to enjoy playing more than painting, guess which you are more likely to do?

A match will take me 2-3 hours usually. In that time I'd fully paint at most ONE infantry model. Yes, ONE. I am that slow. The infantry miniature that took me the longest was nearly 10 hours. You wouldn't believe it looking at it, but that's how it went. Most detailed HQs take around 6 hours. As it is I have several armies, and only with BT can I field a somewhat properly painted force. Doesn't mean I'm just gonna skip playing with the others for the - more than likely - 2+ years it'll take me to paint everything.

Good thing we don't have people locally that refuse to play against unpainted armies. Still, each to their own, it's not like I'd force someone to play against me. But the whole attitude of "no paint, no play" does seem -worthy to me. Next thing you know one will only accept games against Golden Daemon-level armies and only if the opposing player also offers $50 000 cash bribes.

On that note the thread seems to have reached the end of its natural life.

Until the next time...