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Maybe it is a caseless large bore design that has separated propellant in the stock and a dense high capacity magazine. If it uses a propellant technology that is easily separable, like a liquid propellant or a binary propellant it could make sense to design a gun this way. Effectively it has over double the amount of ammo as it appears to be carrying, possibly a lot more as it would be caseless and raw propellant could possibly be compressed in the stock. If so the magazine could be top just full of rounds, possibly 100 or more; and this allows larger ammo to be used more efficiently, as this weapon has a relatively large calibre.

I wouldn't write off this gun so easily, the cyberpunk genre setting knows how to make guns, in he tech evolution crap weapon designs dont survive, and just about everything in my description above is based upon a hybrid of the real life G-11, guns from existing cyberpunk universes, and the tech background of the games Renegade Legion and Traveller.

...or the guy who designed it only knows what guns look like from movies and a quick swing around the internet.

 Wehrkind wrote:
...or the guy who designed it only knows what guns look like from movies and a quick swing around the internet.

Maybe, but cyberpunk weapons technology is often outside the box design, it needs to be to get a market. We can take as a given that its a servicable for field use mid 21st century longarm, or it would not be there; and can work out ourselves why it fits that profile.

Possibly, but if you are going to crib that many details from current era firearms (picatinny rail on the cowling, the optical setup, mag shape, etc.) you should have a design that works with them without making us figure out what random changes you could make to force the elements to work together. Think the pulse rifles from Aliens: those were different enough that it would be a poor assumption to assume they worked anything like modern firearms. This though looks like a cos-player got a bunch of bits at a discount and made an interesting set of modifications to his Nerf gun.

That said, maybe there is something in the fluff that explains why that gun looks like that, and that's fine. But as it stands thus far it looks very strange. (Just like the early bolters that had the mag well way forward and the ejection port way back.)

Heh, I love people who pull out nonsense science to justify poor design.

That gun's clearly just the designer slapping random bits together that look cool. "Bullpups look futuristic" yes dear, but you don't just take the half stock then slam it onto a conventional gun. Though my complaints not strictly that, its that it just looks unergonomic to hold as the stock doesn't reach all the way into the elbow.

...Though its perhaps a bit silly to complain about dumb design decisions in a sci-fi thread, otherwise we'll be here all day. I just jumped into this thing randomly, saw a stupid gun and thought like point out how silly it looked.

I have to admit - I didn't notice it, nor did it bother me.

and it still doesn't!

I can appreciate it meaning something to someone though, but at the same time, this feels like a variation of the 'you don't/can't swing/hold a sword like that' stuff we can no and again!

Lemme now find an image of a GW Bolter that is twice the size of the model carrying it (and don't even get me started on why a gyrojet weapon fires shells) as a comparison piece.

If you don't like the gun you can swap it out with a gun from any number of other sources. However, at that scale, getting hung up on the placement of the ejection ports and positioning of the mag/feed system is really pushing the limits of pedantry.
As to the whole what is an dis not possible.. a P90 is fed from the top and the casings eject from the bottom of the hand grip. The magazine for it uses a helical feed. All of these things seem like they just really wouldn't make a lot of sense and looking at the layout of the gun, it doesn't seem like it should. It does work though. The same weirdness abounds in the Kel-Tec.

Hell, I could suggest that it isn't a bullpup but the extra mass in the end is more of a solid stock with a tensioner and integral recoil compensator and the offset from the mag port and ejection chamber is for the "smart" bullets to get primed through an electronic sweep, loading the projectile with target info and detonation options. You can say "nuh-uh" to all of that you want but it's sci-fi and I'm using my imagination so basically you'd be arguing over something imaginary with a person you're never going to meet over a game it sounds like you've no intentions of playing. If you do want to though.. Heresy and Hasslefree both have some awesome replacement guns.

Ooh the ejector's in the wrong place too.

 Wyrmalla wrote:
Heh, I love people who pull out nonsense science to justify poor design.

Pack up and go home then. Most cyberpunk is nonsense science, the biotech is way too unreasonable as for 40K, its gone off the deep end.

Still here? Ok, then allow rule of cool to apply as normal, and part of rule of cool is the justification of fluff.

Rule of Cool only applies if it is A: Cool, and B: Sufficiently cool to compensate for the level of silliness. For me, this model's gun is neither. Nice if it is for you, but the weapons in this game consistently disappoint. I guess we can't talk about that. Still, it is hardly pushing the limits of pedantry to point out the flaws at 28-32mm scale. On a 10mm model, sure fine, but at this scale there is no reason not to put things in the right place.

Since the model is not cast yet, I find the complain reasonable as a feedback.

 Wehrkind wrote:
Rule of Cool only applies if it is A: Cool, and B: Sufficiently cool to compensate for the level of silliness.

^^This.

"Rule of cool" and "oh but it's science fiction" and all other assorted handwavium is fine when it serves a purpose, when it's explained, and when as much of the setting and story (and in this case, model) as doesn't need it is as close to modern, reasonably well-informed sensibilities as possible.
goodny storyteller will make everything as logical and close to reality as reasonably possible except for those parts where the story (or model) diverges from reality intentionally, for a reason: something relevant to the story they're telling.
Covering up B******t with "oh but it's science fiction" is lazy, poor craftsmanship.
If nothing else the drooling fanbois won't be negatively impacted by a writer/sculptor making the effort to please those with two brain cells to rub together as well. Again, not doing so is just poor craftsmanship.
Especially in a medium like these models - I expect a sculptor who sculpts humanoid models to have some working knowledge of anatomy. One who regularly sculpts firearms might do well to read a few wikipedia pages and understand the absolute, barebones basics of those things. I mean feth, getting these simple things right is a metric fethtonne less work than doing human anatomy properly, and yet someone who likely sculpts nearly as many guns as humanoids (sci-fi wargaming does that to ya ) gets away with not making the effort? Get out.

I have to admit I am disappointing with the sculpt for the cyborg hunter. It doesn't have the same sense of grim foreboding as the concept art and I dont like the pose. Its the first sculpt I have been disappointing with.

I have to say I like it quite a bit!

I'm sad that The Gaming Budget was on empty when this KS was active...

Only gangstas hold their guns sideways.

Also why the knife, and why hold it that way. Knife point down is also fairly noobish. Is this guy a wannabe?

 Orlanth wrote:
Only gangstas hold their guns sideways.

Also why the knife, and why hold it that way. Knife point down is also fairly noobish. Is this guy a wannabe?

I'm not sure he is holding it sideways as he is in motion, probably turning or moving to bring it to aim. Depends on what kind of enhancements and skills a cyborg has. Since he is a cyborg he could have optical sensors instead of eyes, motion tracking and his cybernetic arms could move in conjunction blocking fire. It could simply be there is someone behind him and he's spinning to stand behind him, while turning to bring his gun to fire ahead. It would also look plain if he was just simply standing there in a ready position, gun extended to shoot forward while holding the blade forward facing but down by his side.

I'm not sure Orlanth was being serious.

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm not sure Orlanth was being serious.

In that case, pay no attention to me. ^_^ It has been a long week.

I like the headcover a lot, and if this miniature holds up to sculpt I will be impressed.

However the comments were not entirely non serious. Never keen on the pistols held sideways pose, still its a melee pose so I suppose he is about to pistol whip someone.

Or about to fire a contact shot. If you're pressing the muzzle into some unfortunate's belly and pulling the trigger, I don't suppose it much matters which way up it is.

As for different knife grips, including reverse grip, the jury's still out, surely? A lot of medieval fighting manuals depict way more reverse grip use during the era of heaviest armour, because although it's arguably less effective in an unarmoured knife duel, the increased power in the downward blow may be necessary to penetrate heavy armour, and armoured combat often devolves into grappling and counter-grappling in which you generally need to hold your hands high. If he anticipates the need to get in close with a heavily armoured target, I could see that weapon configuration and pose making sense... to some extent... especially if the Rule of Cool applies.



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Knife even looks like it's being held edge in, and more or less Pikal shaped, which is far from a n00b approach.

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Those painted cops look really neat. I wish I'd been able to back for a set. The Blackstone Commandos are looking pretty cool, too. I love the integrated exo-skeletons.

Hi guys,

today something new.

Not half bad! I appreciate the trigger discipline on the left pistol hand, even if it is lacking on the right

And again the poses demonstrate where the hawkeye initiative came from. Gah.
Kudos on the trigger discipline though, indeed.

The barrel on the the bullpup... something? is mystifying though. It seems huge on the outside. Now it's not some kind of compensator; it'd need to have actual holes somewhere on the outside near the end of the barrel AFAIK. A solid metal barrel that thick seems a bit excessive for anything in a 'normal' caliber, so what is it? The mag seems fairly wide, is it some sort of mag fed grenade launcher? Having a police lieutenant (to my understanding, that's fairly high up the police food chain) up front slinging a less lethal device seems suboptimal...

Trigger discipline on the pistol is so she doesn't shoot herself in the foot... literally.

That guy standing behind her is just collateral damage.

Well, I finally saved enough dough to do the Kickstarter Late Pledge, I'm really liking the looks of this one.

Aaaand I just noticed that the holster for her pistol is on the wrong hip, unless she drew right handed and then switched to the left for... reasons.

Almost.

The pose doesn't bother me a lot actually. I have seen a lot of women standing like that when holding something fairly heavy over their shoulder, the same side leg supporting the weight. Maybe they were all just flirting with me, but that seems fairly unlikely. Then again, that rifle isn't likely to be heavy enough that the pose would be the most comfortable.

Finishing up a move and just checking in to see if us late pledgers got added to the project or still waiting on the PM?