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The Rising Sun sculpts are excellent quality, and easily on par with wargame miniatures.

So are the Blood Rage minis. They are even better than 90% of "proper" Wargaming Miniatures in Casting, Design and flaws

RoninXiC wrote:
So are the Blood Rage minis. They are even better than 90% of "proper" Wargaming Miniatures in Casting, Design and flaws

I really am happy with the CMON figs more than most gaming figures and it taking out the whole assembly time helps out tremendously. The cost really makes them great, especially if you are wanting to build a huge kings of war army.

I don't know why anybody would have expected anything else for a crossover mini - it needs to match the things where it finds itself, not back in KD:M.

For those who are backing this, shipping prices are a lot worse than other CMON games. To try and negate some of this, make these changes in your address -

1) Instead of putting your suburb in the city line, put your actual capital city near you as your city, and your suburb in the second line of your address.

2) Confirm it and see whether or not it makes shipping any better.

This is mostly for people outside the US. Shipping to where I live in Australia is exorbitant and I hope CMON figures something better out because this is a bit ridiculous for what I am getting.

A bunch of the big couriers put their prices up over the last few months, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was real (and that it's all going to be spent on actual shipping)

I wonder if it will eventually kill the KS juggernaut especially as more higher weight/volume tarrif selections means people who were tending to buy 2-3 sets to subsidise their own copy will now find extra shipping costs mean it's far less viable

~25 US$ to Germany.
Nothing toooooo crazy honestly.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
For those who are backing this, shipping prices are a lot worse than other CMON games. To try and negate some of this, make these changes in your address -

1) Instead of putting your suburb in the city line, put your actual capital city near you as your city, and your suburb in the second line of your address.

2) Confirm it and see whether or not it makes shipping any better.

This is mostly for people outside the US. Shipping to where I live in Australia is exorbitant and I hope CMON figures something better out because this is a bit ridiculous for what I am getting.

Have you confirmed to CMoN that this is "correct", or will they expect you to pick it up in the Capitol? Return back to warehouse for you to pay 2nd round of shipping at non-KS bulk rates?

Your suburb is expensive for a reason, but trying to hack the shipping charges is really cheating other backers by making them subsidize your shipping. And it's probably why non-US rates keep climbing even faster - honest non-US backers keep having to pay more and more to cover cheaters underpaying the shipping.

Ok, I live in a suburb of the City of Perth, Western Australia. Shipping charges aren't extra for delivery to surrounding suburbs, or most of the state to be honest. It just takes longer to get to you.

If I put my suburb in as the city, CMON wants around $90USD to ship to me.

If I put the Perth as the City, and then my suburb in as the second line, it's $58USD.

They aren't subsidising anything. I am actually being way overcharged to be quite honest. They could ship direct from China to me for around $20USD. If anything, anyone outside the EU and US is subsidising everyone elses shipping. It's ridiculously overpriced.

It's pretty clear that you don't understand how logistics works.

someone has to fund those retailer pledges with free shipping. minimum pledge for retailers is six. the question is how many retailers pledged?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's pretty clear that you don't understand how logistics works.

I was a Logistics officer for a major Mining company for over 7 years. And I know our postal service inside and out. You've got no idea what you're talking about.

 Fenriswulf wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's pretty clear that you don't understand how logistics works.

I was a Logistics officer for a major Mining company for over 7 years. And I know our postal service inside and out. You've got no idea what you're talking about.

Let's keep this civil and avoid ad homonym attacks.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
A bunch of the big couriers put their prices up over the last few months, so I wouldn't be surprised if this was real (and that it's all going to be spent on actual shipping)

They'd be using local couriers - they usually use Aust Post's Parcel Post via their Local hub, and as far as I can tell, they haven't had any major price increases. I only went in for a dollar, so I'll see what the shipping is like and then use that to decide if I'm going in or not.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 Fenriswulf wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
It's pretty clear that you don't understand how logistics works.

I was a Logistics officer for a major Mining company for over 7 years. And I know our postal service inside and out. You've got no idea what you're talking about.

Let's keep this civil and avoid ad homonym attacks.

I'll back Fenris on this one.
There are no differences in Australia between central city shipping costs and suburban costs. Our cities are different to US ones as well, in that the majority of the population live in the suburbs rather than in what we call the CBD. The suburbs are considered part of the capitals in this country. JHDD is the one who began the ad hominems and he is entirely wrong in this case, and in fact does not have any knowledge or experience of what he is talking about in terms of Australian postal and courier logistics and how it works here.


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 Fenriswulf wrote:
Ok, I live in a suburb of the City of Perth, Western Australia. Shipping charges aren't extra for delivery to surrounding suburbs, or most of the state to be honest. It just takes longer to get to you.
If I put my suburb in as the city, CMON wants around $90USD to ship to me.
If I put the Perth as the City, and then my suburb in as the second line, it's $58USD.
They aren't subsidising anything. I am actually being way overcharged to be quite honest. They could ship direct from China to me for around $20USD. If anything, anyone outside the EU and US is subsidising everyone elses shipping. It's ridiculously overpriced.

Yeah, their system is broken. Just tested it and shipping to my work is significantly more expensive than to the CBD, and both are WAY fething more than any CMON KS to date.

It feels a lot like Fenriswulf is not in fact a 'cheater' or someone who is trying to 'game the system' and more like CMON doesn't understand how shipping works down there in Australia, or just made a mistake?

Hopefully someone has alerted CMON and maybe that will clear all this up for a lot of people.

CMON thus far are not saying anything. The silence is deafening.

I just checked out my postage costs for Blood Rage, which I ordered about the same amount of stuff as what I want from HATE. Postage was $25USD, and it was sent in bulk post from a distributor here in Australia on the East coast to reduce their costs as much as possible. The cost they want to charge me for this is way over the top.

Cheers Azazelx and Mysterio for the back up. Australian postage costs aren't great but they're also nowhere near this bad either.

A lot of $1 pledgers are holding out, and I think a move like this, rather than getting CMON some extra cash, is likely to cost them more, with people deciding not to pay the high rates and thus not going through with a pledge at all, to not supporting their next KS or only putting in $1 to see if it is the same again the next time around. I feel bad for all the people trapped who have paid up front for the game, and now have to either pony up for the high shipping costs or ask for a refund and lose 10% of what they put in due to CMON's refund policy. New Zealand and South America seem to be the ones who are getting hit worst with this.

I hate PMs alwsys being close to other stuff I want. That and shipping, blergh. It was all better when the € was strong, sigh.

Now I have to leave out some of the tribes if I want that Aurochs. Which one(s) though. All have meh models and at least one that makes me go oooooooh.

 Fenriswulf wrote:
CMON thus far are not saying anything. The silence is deafening.

I just checked out my postage costs for Blood Rage, which I ordered about the same amount of stuff as what I want from HATE. Postage was $25USD, and it was sent in bulk post from a distributor here in Australia on the East coast to reduce their costs as much as possible. The cost they want to charge me for this is way over the top.

Cheers Azazelx and Mysterio for the back up. Australian postage costs aren't great but they're also nowhere near this bad either.

A lot of $1 pledgers are holding out, and I think a move like this, rather than getting CMON some extra cash, is likely to cost them more, with people deciding not to pay the high rates and thus not going through with a pledge at all, to not supporting their next KS or only putting in $1 to see if it is the same again the next time around. I feel bad for all the people trapped who have paid up front for the game, and now have to either pony up for the high shipping costs or ask for a refund and lose 10% of what they put in due to CMON's refund policy. New Zealand and South America seem to be the ones who are getting hit worst with this.

Yeah, the new Zombicide just went to $1 down and wait-and-see. CMON have used Aetherworks in Sydney for the last couple of years (along with many other creators) and before that used Ikon in Geelong. We got overcharged when Ikon was distributing as well - at least everyone in Melbourne (and presumably Geelong) did.

I just messaged them and posted the following in the KS comments. I wasn't going to bother, but I saw a message from Fenriswulf there that they have slightly adjusted AU backer's shipping costs but they remain cartoonishly large. I figured another voice expressing displeasure couldn't hurt, and I'm truthfully not willing to pay whatever they happen to ask, so why not?

What's the deal with the exorbitant shipping costs for Australians (and presumably others?) They're WAY out of line with previous campaigns. Like double the price. Like getting the pledge couriered here from overseas.

I know CMON campaigns have a lot of stuff, but the last time I paid that kind of money for shipping was getting 6x Dark Imperium sets couriered to me from the UK. That's a hell of a lot different to having Aetherworks send it to me from Sydney via Australia Post eParcel.

You might want to look into this. I'm only in for a dollar, so I'm thankfully not feeling obligated to pay whatever happens to be asked for the shipping. With this cartoonishly large shipping price bump from something coming from a local hub, you've also now trained me to go in for no more than a dollar in future CMON campaigns.

I wonder if HATE underperformed and they are trying to make it back on shipping? Are US backers also getting hit with slightly higher shipping?

I believe the exact same thing happened with CMONs Song of Ice And Fire Kickstarter shipping. I don’t think it’s intentionally ripping people off but the software is enforcing rules that may apply to some countries shipping where areas outside of cities do cost more to ship to across all countries.

My UK shipping in song of ice and fire was very reasonable considering I purchased two pledges and loads of addons but Eastern Europe, Australia and some parts of America seemed to take a big hit outside of city centres. Those who did the trick with city name rather than suburbs did not receive any complaints from CMON although it hasn’t yet shipped.

Aeneades wrote:
I believe the exact same thing happened with CMONs Song of Ice And Fire Kickstarter shipping. I don’t think it’s intentionally ripping people off but the software is enforcing rules that may apply to some countries shipping where areas outside of cities do cost more to ship to across all countries.

My UK shipping in song of ice and fire was very reasonable considering I purchased two pledges and loads of addons but Eastern Europe, Australia and some parts of America seemed to take a big hit outside of city centres. Those who did the trick with city name rather than suburbs did not receive any complaints from CMON although it hasn’t yet shipped.

Sorry, once again you're incorrect - at least as far as Australia goes. I live 30-45 minutes from the central city. However, there are no differences in costs to ship to where I live. I actually live quite close to a major postal distribution centre, so if anything, it would be cheaper to ship to me than to the central city. But as I've said, very few people live in the central cities in Australia.

So I understand you attempting to speculate, but I do have to reiterate what Fenruswulf and I have already explained. There are no differences in shipping costs between my house, my workplace and the CBD (central business district) of Melbourne. As we have both explained in this thread, we both have rather extensive experience in actually living here and using the various services, and I'll ask you to give us the benefit of the doubt that we are indeed, literate and intelligent people rather than random dumb feths who post things on the internet or talk a lot of gak about things that they do not understand or have any experience in. There are a lot of dumbasses everywhere, but he and I are not them.

Looky here. This is one of Australia Post's charts. CMON use Aetherworks, in Sydney. Aetherworks use Australia Post eParcel. The chart has pricing for regular parcels, not eParcel, but the zones are the same. The chart shows Australia Post's delivery zones broken down by postcode. I live in V1, which is the same delivery zone as the CBD, the same zone as my work, the local post office, and the distribution centre that I live near for that matter. If Fenriswulf lives in a Suburb of Perth, then he's in W1, the same as Perth's CBD. Again, it's the same shipping zone.
https://auspost.com.au/content/dam/auspost_corp/media/documents/post-guides/parcel-post-guide-ms105-melbourne-v1.pdf

Which brings me to another point. Shipping here is determined by postcode, not "city name". If anything changes my shipping costs, it would be the postcode, not whatatever I type into that box. In fact, the postcode is enough to get the thing to where it should go in most cases. The suburb name only becomes relevant when you occasionally have two identical street names within the same postcode.

Now, I can only speak for Australia. I don't live in another country that's also being affected by doubled-for-no-reason shipping costs, so the random speculation here might apply to another country. But it doesn't apply to Australia.

 Azazelx wrote:

Aeneades wrote:
I believe the exact same thing happened with CMONs Song of Ice And Fire Kickstarter shipping. I don’t think it’s intentionally ripping people off but the software is enforcing rules that may apply to some countries shipping where areas outside of cities do cost more to ship to across all countries.

My UK shipping in song of ice and fire was very reasonable considering I purchased two pledges and loads of addons but Eastern Europe, Australia and some parts of America seemed to take a big hit outside of city centres. Those who did the trick with city name rather than suburbs did not receive any complaints from CMON although it hasn’t yet shipped.

Sorry, once again you're incorrect - at least as far as Australia goes. I live 30-45 minutes from the central city. However, there are no differences in costs to ship to where I live. I actually live quite close to a major postal distribution centre, so if anything, it would be cheaper to ship to me than to the central city. But as I've said, very few people live in the central cities in Australia.

So I understand you attempting to speculate, but I do have to reiterate what Fenruswulf and I have already explained. There are no differences in shipping costs between my house, my workplace and the CBD (central business district) of Melbourne. As we have both explained in this thread, we both have rather extensive experience in actually living here and using the various services, and I'll ask you to give us the benefit of the doubt that we are indeed, literate and intelligent people rather than random dumb feths who post things on the internet or talk a lot of gak about things that they do not understand or have any experience in. There are a lot of dumbasses everywhere, but he and I are not them.

Looky here. This is one of Australia Post's charts. CMON use Aetherworks, in Sydney. Aetherworks use Australia Post eParcel. The chart has pricing for regular parcels, not eParcel, but the zones are the same. The chart shows Australia Post's delivery zones broken down by postcode. I live in V1, which is the same delivery zone as the CBD, the same zone as my work, the local post office, and the distribution centre that I live near for that matter. If Fenriswulf lives in a Suburb of Perth, then he's in W1, the same as Perth's CBD. Again, it's the same shipping zone.
https://auspost.com.au/content/dam/auspost_corp/media/documents/post-guides/parcel-post-guide-ms105-melbourne-v1.pdf

Which brings me to another point. Shipping here is determined by postcode, not "city name". If anything changes my shipping costs, it would be the postcode, not whatatever I type into that box. In fact, the postcode is enough to get the thing to where it should go in most cases. The suburb name only becomes relevant when you occasionally have two identical street names within the same postcode.

Now, I can only speak for Australia. I don't live in another country that's also being affected by doubled-for-no-reason shipping costs, so the random speculation here might apply to another country. But it doesn't apply to Australia.

I know it doesn’t apply to Australia (having lived there myself previously). I was explaining that the pledge manager did the same thing, incorrectly, for the last campaign as well. Sorry if I explained poorly.

Azazelx, it's too bad we don't live in the same city, otherwise we could split a shipment, if that was to bring down the price at all.

And yeah, it's weird. Go into the pledge manager and put your capital city in as the delivery area, with it's corresponding post code (ie for you it would be 3000). Then check the shipping cost. Change the postcode to your local suburb, keeping the city name, and check the shipping cost again. No change.

They seem to be basing the price off capital cities rather than postcodes, which is incredibly borked. No wonder the prices are so screwy.

Pledge Manager reminder! Plus samples!

Posted by CMON (Creator)


Hail Savages!

We'd like to remind everybody that you have 1 week left to finish your Pledge Manager. The deadline for submitting and paying for your pledge is May 18! Please make sure you have your order Confirmed by then. We are finalizing the production quantities based on the confirmed pledges, and specially since this is an exclusive game, with no extra quantity produced for retail, there's a strong chance of us not having enough product for backers who confirm after the deadline.

so unlike most CMON projects if you miss the deadline you run a real risk of not getting anything (other than an eventual refund -KS fees)

The new update for this looks so good. The minis look really good quality, just wish we had an idea of when we would get it.

Still scheduled for Jan 2019 in the last update:

In any case, we are pleased to report that production proceeds very well. Plastic pieces are being manufactured, and print materials are about to start being printed. Everything is looking good to be ready to ship out by the end of the year.

So, I received my shipment from the HATE kickstarter. First thing to note is that they shipped collectively to Aetherworks (an Australian tabletop gaming company) to use them to fulfill the shipping for this project. Aetherworks then shipped to the individual addresses here in Australia, at bulk rates, so the price we paid for shipping was over the top if you take this into account. A negative from an otherwise good Kickstarter.

As to the game itself - I was mostly in this for the miniatures, but the box game itself is massive, it comes with a ton of stuff and looks very well put together. The cards are a good quality, work well with the sleeve system for upgrades, and the tokens and gaming area is pretty great as well.

In addition to the base game, I also bought the Mother Prophecy and the Tribe of Um'Tull, since I was only really interested in the humanoid-ish style miniatures (I am looking to use them as Varangur for Kings of War). All of the miniatures are quite impressive. The lone infantry miniatures are about 38mm tall, but their body proportions are very good. The others are between Ogre and Small Giant size, and would work well as a proxy for those kinds of miniatures. It is unfortunate that the miniatures are already solidly pre-glued, as being able to paint and then assemble would be a lot easier for these miniatures, as most of them come with some very detailed parts. If anyone figures out how to un-glue them, let us all know

Plastic is restic in nature, but they've got it sorted out well. Detail is very sharp, and there are hardly any mold lines to be found at all. It's unfortunate that you get so many duplicates, but that's just how these kinds of Kickstarters are. If needs be, just mix them together with the other tribes, and make distinct units from similar types (two handed, two weapons etc). One of the bonus' from this game is that the bases aren't molded onto the figure. Instead they use small tabs to glue into the disc bases provided, which is great as it allows you to easily remove the discs and then paint and re-base as you'd prefer. Not sure if they've done this for the more recent Zombicide games, but it's a great thing to do.

The miniatures from the Mother Prophecy are very very nice, especially the Ogre sized guy on the bull. Can quite easily make a nice center-piece for an army.

I'd post pictures here, but I don't have a very good camera, and no light-box, so I don't think I would be doing them any kind of justice. I am fairly certain others will have been posting theirs up on various sites, so keep an eye out for them there.

Pros - Very good quality miniatures for the price, and the game components themselves look really good. Miniatures are also easy to remove from the bases they are glued to, which helps a lot.

Cons - Shipping was way over what was necessary, and communication with the kickstarter was bad at the end when people noticed how much they were being charged for shipping. Also duplicates are annoying but not a big deal, and the gluing of the figures is a pain in the butt for a miniature painter like myself, but not a deal-breaker.

Thanks for the update. Off to scour eBay for the 10 guys I actually wanted from this KS...

Did you get the huts/trees by chance? I have them coming, but was curious if it was just one sculpt. I really wish CMON would make their terrain add-ons for retail. I missed out on the ASOIAF ones unfortunately.