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Serious question - if GW said that that new Harlequin miniature was actually just a human wearing a Harlequin's suit, would you bat an eye?

Maybe its just me but I'm struggling to see anything eldar-y about its face or build. It looks exactly like a normal human to me.

they are hiding her feminine figure, like as if its a sin to be a woman.

am i the only one that thinks angel of death tops astartes? i'm a sucker for space battles

Angels of Death looks pretty mediocre. It's a step up from his Helsreach stuff (which was gradually increasing in quality over the episodes - its main strength really being the narration - via the audiobook). I don't think it even touches Astartes as a quality looking product though - but again that's probably a result of GW being involved.

I think now we may have to accept that this crisis is going leave a terrible mark on our lives. I'd much rather know that the staff at Nottingham - and those who run stores across the globe - are okay and will hopefully one day be back to work doing what they enjoy most; bringing fun to our tabletops.

At this point I'm glad that someone is uploading these previews, no matter how underwhelming they are. A friggin treeman for Blood Bowl is what we waited all week for, but its OUR Bloodbowl treeman, dammit! Thats the British spirit for you!


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 vipoid wrote:
Serious question - if GW said that that new Harlequin miniature was actually just a human wearing a Harlequin's suit, would you bat an eye?

Maybe its just me but I'm struggling to see anything eldar-y about its face or build. It looks exactly like a normal human to me.

Looks more like an Inquistor/Rogue Trader style chap to be honest, but his hair is quite Elvish. Being an ex-harlequin, he doesn't seem to be having much fun. Snow White is looking at him now...

"Ooooh! YOU must be GRUMPY!"

 Overread wrote:
Actually I suspect if GW said at the start that it was cut down their Twitch chat and forums would have been even more negative just through the entire display not at the end.

There have been numerous points in time where they could've announced this ahead of the stream, and if they had been up-front about it people would not be as pissed off as they are when they reach the end of a stream that's meant to be the second half of something, only to find it was merely the second quarter.

I can usually find some redeeming qualities in pretty much any sculpt out there, but damn, GW did my girl Stern dirty here.

The Sister that was our first preview of the new line is a better Stern than Stern herself. Like, where did it all go so wrong?

At least the LotR models are sweet, so that kinds evens it all out.

 vipoid wrote:
Serious question - if GW said that that new Harlequin miniature was actually just a human wearing a Harlequin's suit, would you bat an eye?

Maybe its just me but I'm struggling to see anything eldar-y about its face or build. It looks exactly like a normal human to me.

Truthfully, if you got rid of the checkered paint job, the left hand, holstered gun(?), and flying floor tiles, I'd think it was a LotR mini, some sort of duelist to go with the Ranger captains.

 His Master's Voice wrote:


At least the LotR models are sweet, so that kinds evens it all out.

The Middleearth range has been mostly dull; Not seeing enough Watchers in the Water or Shelobs in the recent range. An updated Dweller in the Dark would be cool.

Voss wrote:
Truthfully, if you got rid of the checkered paint job, the left hand, holstered gun(?), and flying floor tiles, I'd think it was a LotR mini, some sort of duelist to go with the Ranger captains.

Between the not-very-Eldar Eldar and whatever is going on with that Stern sculpt, I thought when I saw the pic that they were models for AoS. It was only reading later that there was a Stern model and going looking for it that I realized that was it...

I like the Treeman, and the LotR models are nice, even if I have no use for them. And the Word Bearer models are a welcome return to form for FW.

 vipoid wrote:
Serious question - if GW said that that new Harlequin miniature was actually just a human wearing a Harlequin's suit, would you bat an eye?

Maybe its just me but I'm struggling to see anything eldar-y about its face or build. It looks exactly like a normal human to me.

Wait, that's supposed to be an Eldar? I assumed it was a human Rogue Trader.

Edit: Ninjas.

SamusDrake wrote:
Looks more like an Inquistor/Rogue Trader style chap to be honest, but his hair is quite Elvish.

Pretty sure Kal Jericho has the same rat-tail hairstyle.

Voss wrote:
Truthfully, if you got rid of the checkered paint job, the left hand, holstered gun(?), and flying floor tiles, I'd think it was a LotR mini, some sort of duelist to go with the Ranger captains.

I can't speak for the LotR comparison, but you're right; the only thing Eldar-y about this one is the left-hand glove and the paintjob.

he looks like his comic version, so not sure why people aren't seeing Aeldari?


I'd go as far as to say that it is an excellent rendition. Not all elves have to be jumpy, bouncy, little dancers. His character is obviously very different to the norm.

Personally i like the Harlequin model, and more and more the more i look at him. he's more my speed in posture and.. I actually like the effect they were going for with the base additions.

He looks like he is walking up after a teleport or passing through a point to a target with some tech or power, but could snap forward at any moment for a kill.

Both feet are basically flat on the ground, which makes it look out of place as a harlequin. I got rid of my Charlie models and dont plan to start a sisters force, but I may get this pair anyways.

Actually, the simple pose instead of acrobatics makes the model look angry, like it is slowly walking forward towards the enemy in a show ofdisdain. .

I would have thought they would have said something about the kill team by now...
This preview just seemed to be a continuation of the last weeks.

Dudeface wrote:

 grouchoben wrote:
Just to check this with you lot - this most likely means that DW won't get access to any of the SM models they're currently missing, yes? No Phobos for us?

The datasheet reprint that would be needed (in line with other PA books) would be substantial, and very unnlikely to feature in a WD supplement.

One of my main 3 armies is DW. Can't say I'm looking forward to this tail-off. Assassins are the only faction to come out of a WD supplement in good shape, if I remember correctly.

Honestly nobody knows at present, but I didnt think deathwatch generally took marines from the 10th companies?

They don't but they absolutely do missions where Marines are in Scout armor for easier, well, scouting and infiltration.

 Mangod wrote:

I can't speak for the LotR comparison, but you're right; the only thing Eldar-y about this one is the left-hand glove and the paintjob.

The comparison is slightly tongue-in-cheek, but not a lot. Its partly because I look at LotR models and think 'That'd be a great RPG mini' rather than any desire to do an LotR army.
Umbar corsairs make great bandits, there are assorted orcs and goblins as foes, and things like the ranger captains make great low-level PCs or guard/town militia NPCs

Do you guys think we've seen the last of the Lumineth units for the battletome (including the floaty veiled sorceress that was spoiled in the images)? If so, it seems odd that they've only revealed units with the 'mountain' aspect and have yet to get into the river, wind, and zenith.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

Dudeface wrote:
The army box thing worked for sisters so well because of the hype and demand for the army, combined with the delay for the rest of the range, which translated into mental sales.

I get them seeing that doing well and applying it here, but I'm not sure there is the same demand/hype sisters had?

I remember the army box with the codex and exclusive model for 4th edition Space Marinez, and the Spearhead box with the codex and one set of each new kit and character for 5th. Other armies had them too. I know Eldar and IG in 4th, I think there was a Necron army box as well. They just fell out of style for a while.

Discount boxes tend to sell while having bigger profit margin for gw for big price. Win-win generally for both sides.

Unsurprising they went for that for new faction. Particularly elves

 Elhazard wrote:
Do you guys think we've seen the last of the Lumineth units for the battletome (including the floaty veiled sorceress that was spoiled in the images)? If so, it seems odd that they've only revealed units with the 'mountain' aspect and have yet to get into the river, wind, and zenith.

I'll go with probably not - I've not paid much attention to the pointy-eared gits, but how do they compare to that last Undead faction, in terms of kits?

They may leave one or two of these aspects for future expansion, but I'd've thought two of them, plus "core"/"unaligned" units would be a reasonable expectation for their first book.

Angels of death looks huge in scale.
If we should compare with "Astartes" (as I know lots of you guys like to do) Angels of Death seams to keep the great feel of titanic scale battles we saw in Helsreach while Astartes is "just" close quarter grit.
Lets hope they keep the sense of building characters that made Helsreach hold together so nice as a narrative, but is utterly missing in Astartes.

A Stern mini following the artwork shown just below her would have been so much better. All the parchment, hair and fabric flowing upwards looks bad; the few parts not following this movement subsequently making the whole even worse. Just the hair would be salvageable by just using a head from one of the Seraphim, but there is no way the cloak and habit could be made to look better without a huge amount of work.

 Fayric wrote:
Angels of death looks huge in scale.
If we should compare with "Astartes" (as I know lots of you guys like to do) Angels of Death seams to keep the great feel of titanic scale battles we saw in Helsreach while Astartes is "just" close quarter grit.
Lets hope they keep the sense of building characters that made Helsreach hold together so nice as a narrative, but is utterly missing in Astartes.

it'll be interesting no matter what.

I think Astartes is doing a fine job with character development but the drastic difference in storytelling style can leave you "unfulfilled". Really looking forward to see how they develop.

 bullyboy wrote:
he looks like his comic version, so not sure why people aren't seeing Aeldari?

Because he looks nothing like that picture?

- His hair is completely different.
- There's no sign of him having pointy-ears (I know his hair is covering them but given their length they should really be poking through it).
- In the picture his face is markedly slim, whilst the model depicts it as being fatter, to the point where it's indistinguishable from a normal, human face.
- His build in general is far more muscular than any of the other Harlequin models. Everything about him - including his static pose - screams 'strong human'. Literally nothing suggests 'lithe Aeldari'.

Does anybody else think it's a slap in the face of all Harlequin players that the first Harlequin named Character is for Imperial Armys? Still no Sylandri Veilwalker for us... At least, rules in WD will save money in comparison to a PA book with boring fluff and missions I will never play...

EDIT: Wouldn't it be great (and very fitting) if Quins got that Lumineth-AOS rule to activate 2 units at once in the fight phase?

Bossdoc wrote:
Does anybody else think it's a slap in the face of all Harlequin players that the first Harlequin named Character is for Imperial Armys?

No. It's a game of toy soldiers. If you're interpreting an army's lack of special characters as a personal insult, there's a good chance you're taking it all just a bit too seriously.

Honestly I suspect that most Eldar fans would prefer to see GW replace the high quantity of fincast such as the aspect warriors rather than see them expand Harlequins/Yinnari model ranges. Considering that they all inter-link its a boon for all to update the original "core" range before investing huge resources expanding side armies into full diverse armies.

Much like how Tyranids got their major updates before Genestealer cults really appeared on the scene (although even now there's still a few Tyranid models in need of replacement).



Also WD rules might just mean that GW's plan for the next edition is to roll Harlequins back into the Craftworld Codex and have them as a sub-army option within that book rather than as their own book where there's a huge amount of model cross-over.

 Overread wrote:
Honestly I suspect that most Eldar fans would prefer to see GW replace the high quantity of fincast such as the aspect warriors rather than see them expand Harlequins/Yinnari model ranges. Considering that they all inter-link its a boon for all to update the original "core" range before investing huge resources expanding side armies into full diverse armies.

Just like all Imperium players should rejoice at getting more Space Marines before investing huge resources into expanding side armies like Custodes, AdMech or Guard?

Aspect Warriors aren't a particularly interesting concept to begin with, especially lore wise, where the Ynnari being tied into the more recent developments and setting feel much more relevant.

Of course, if GW can swing both, that's great for everyone. If it has to be a choice, almost all Eldar-players would certainly agree that Aspect Warriors as a dated, pseudo-Asian-80s-Warrior concept probably should get squatted in favour of much more interesting concepts like Ynnari.

Haha, I'll take that bet Sunny Side Up.

Sunny Side Up wrote:
If it has to be a choice, almost all Eldar-players would certainly agree that Aspect Warriors as a dated, pseudo-Asian-80s-Warrior concept probably should get squatted in favour of much more interesting concepts like Ynnari.

More interesting concepts like those same pseudo-Asian-80s-Warrior concepts painted red..?

 Lord Damocles wrote:

Sunny Side Up wrote:
If it has to be a choice, almost all Eldar-players would certainly agree that Aspect Warriors as a dated, pseudo-Asian-80s-Warrior concept probably should get squatted in favour of much more interesting concepts like Ynnari.

More interesting concepts like those same pseudo-Asian-80s-Warrior concepts painted red..?

Not if they actually started investing into a Ynnari range.