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Before you tear this list apart, this is just a test! Please don't give me your average Tau list suggestions, please try and add to the focus of this list.

Originally I was going to go for a kan-wall type list, with a wall of kroot with piranhas (w/ D-pods) giving them cover saves... but I decided to take advantage of the outflanking instead... so no piranhas

Crisis Battlesuit Commander (TL-MP/FB/HW-MT)
85 Pts.

Crisis Suit (1) (TL-FB/TA)
53 Pts.

1x Fire Warriors (6)
60 Pts.

5x units of Kroot (20) w/ hounds (12)
1060 Pts.

Heavy Support

3x units of Broadside (TA)
240 Pts.

1498

Suicide suits are there to help the broadsides take out armor. (I usually don't advocate suicide suits btw, please don't criticize them...)

5 Units of 32-man outflanking kroot!!!

A 1000 pt. version of this list would be:

Crisis Battlesuit Commander (TL Flamer/FB)
68 Pts.

1x Fire Warriors (6)
60 Pts.

5x Kroot (10) w/ hounds (12)
710 Pts.

Heavy Support

2x Broadside (TA)
160 Pts.

998 Pts.


Thoughts, any idea how to make this scarier? (If indeed it could be scary)

I love the idea of a 168 model Tau army.

I think this is scarier @ 1000 points than @ 1500. At 1500 points, you just don't have the ooph to take out dedicated assault teams. I mean 32 Kroot is nice and all.. but a full TH/SS grey knight paladin squad is going to wade through that (granted, its going to take them forever and a day to do it.)

I'm not sure if i completely agree with cottonjaw on this one. I mean, the mass amount of outflanking kroot multiplied by the number of attacks each of them have...that is one MASSIVE volley of shots per turn....i think that could potentially do some rather painful damage to any army, although vehicles could pose a problem to this strategy, but then again, that's why there are the broadsides. As long as they stay behind friendly lines and protected, you should be fine. I say thumbs up and I like the idea. I might test it out myself in fact, well once I get enough Kroot. Right on, bringer.

Yeah.. I mean.. I guess. It's not like 160 Kroot are going to get into base to base. I don't know.

I mean it LOOKS cool as hell.

But like... I have 70 fully painted Kroot Carnivores... and that felt like a lot.

haha, I'm going to try it out some-time as well. I only have 12 kroot though, so I'm going to have to make quite a few cut-outs or something...

They need Shapers, TB.

The mercenaries need the leadership. Wyches or similar h2h hurt is going to cause some really fast failures of leadership. The average flying circus (wyche/warriors in lotsa raiders) will get its tanks shot down, but the kroot won't be able to stand up to the assault ... without the leadership.

Otherwise, risky and needs to be played.

I expect to play this against either eldar or orks, they are my common opponents.

I'll consider shapers... I usually never take them because their initiative will only make a difference a fraction of the time, and you'll only ever take leadership so many times during a game.

With shapers, the list would look like this:

Crisis Battlesuit Commander (TL FB/BK - to take up hardpoint)
68 Pts.

1x Fire Warriors (6)
60 Pts.

5x Kroot (10) w/ hounds (8) + Shaper (Two units have an odd kroot)
709 Pts.

Heavy Support

2x Broadside (TA)
160 Pts.

1000

There is range confusion on your commander. Either give him plasma/fb, TLFB and suicide him also, or give him TLMP and something that can hit from a distance. Otherwise, the points are wasted in the FB because you are too far away, or wasted in the MP because whats the point in taking it TL if you are going to be 12 inches away.

That being said, I love kroot! I wouldn't expect this list to win too much, but I still love the idea. The major problem is that you dont have any real kill power. Maybe you could throw in some krootox and shapers? If you are going all out kroot, why not use the stuff that is normally not worth taking? When you have that many kroot, a 6+ armor save would be pretty worth while. Also, I'm curious if the krootox couldnt take down some light armor.

Krootox, apart from being expensive, take away the ability to outflank/infiltrate

Not to mention, I'd rather go for missile pod crisis suits any day.

There really isn't a range confusion on my commander. I intent for him to be in the face of my opponents tanks. The fusion blaster was the first natural choice. The missile pod is the runner up for anti-tank power.

Yeah, I was suggesting keeping some stagnant kroot back in your base, which you would presumably have to do on objective games. A krootox or two might be worth it, esspecially since you arent running any missile pod suits. I didnt want to suggest that you ran some because you wanted to keep the integrity of the list.

As far as the commander goes, if you are wanting to bust tanks take TLFB. It's the same price, and you are going to have to be 12 inches away anyway for the build to be fully utilized and not wasting points.

Ok, the list with the updated commander would look like:

Crisis Battlesuit Commander (TL FB/BK - to take up hardpoint)
68 Pts.

1x Fire Warriors (6)
60 Pts.

5x Kroot (10) w/ hounds (8) + Shaper (Two units have an odd kroot)
709 Pts.

Heavy Support

2x Broadside (TA)
160 Pts.

1000




A list using krootox would look like:


Crisis Battlesuit Commander (TL FB/BK - to take up hardpoint)
68 Pts.

1x Fire Warriors (6)
60 Pts.

3x Kroot (10) Hounds (12)
426

2x Kroot (10) Krootox (2)
280

Heavy Support

2x Broadside (TA)
160 Pts.

994

I think I like the non krootox list better. The elimination of outflank really takes something away from the list. Let me know how it plays!

bdix wrote:I think I like the non krootox list better. The elimination of outflank really takes something away from the list. Let me know how it plays!

I will, I just hope my opponent doesn't mind playing against an army of paper cut-outs

(And I really hope he won't take a wraithlord....)

I'm not going to lie, that looks awesome. I have never thought of that before...it would certainly make your opponent go "WTF "

When it comes to the Shaper, I'd say go without. For one Shaper you can buy 3 more Kroot. Everything else looks ok...in a 1000 point game I think it would be overwelming seeing that running at you from the flank.

Good luck, let us know if it works!

I realise it's a bit against the grain, but Kroot-bomb is actually fairly effective.

Different ed, but I tried I think 4 maxed out Kroot squads, that my suits jumped around behind.

So, I think you've got a workable idea. I shreaded a top notch Tyranid foe with my list (thanks to a few trees on the field perhaps), but just being able to spam so many cheap kroot worked. Nothing could get at my pricier units which had free reign of things while the kroot just tied things up. Sure a lot of them died, but the game was never in doubt at any point.

Id also agree not to take the sharper, simply b/c with any spam list you want to spam as much as possible. hounds I like for melee, but i just think krootox or sharper would hurt the army at less than 1000. I would say the only way were gonna find out just how effective this list is is to wait for your Battle Report on the forum, looking forward to it i like the creativity!