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Right, just today (i'm as shocked as you ) i picked up a copy of C: GK from my local hobbycraft as i have no local GW. On the ride home i quickly flicked through and loved what i saw.
On a more thorough read at home i absolutely LOVED what i saw. For any of you out there who love/like/enjoy/are happy with the new GK codex, say what your favourite part(s) is/are, and for any of you trolls out there who whenever they see something with space wolves or grey knights immediately go 'I HATE THEM' do NOT post on this thread.

Mashin' up haters like i mash up 'taters

Paladins.

The fluff is crap.
The rules are crap.
The editing's crap.

But god dammit, the Paladins are like a love-letter to me.

I like the ability to take a dreadnought with 2 TL Autoncannons and just destroy everything. And I like how you can take 6 of them, but it kind of goes against the fluff.

I like Coteaz, there's limitless possibilities for armies with him.

I also think it's nice that it really isn't a Grey Knights codex, and more Daemonhunters. In fact, I'm not sure why they named it Grey Knights. I guess it was a marketing decision, since all GW talks about are the GK, but there's a lot more you can do with the codex than them.

Well, it would be a proper Daemonhunters codex if you didn't have to take Coteaz to unlock Inquisitional warbands as troops.

I love how they went from being a good idea that was very poorly executed to being very well executed.

The army has a huge arms room upgrade and frankly, you couldn't ask for more imo.

Recent games against them have been hell and I love it! GKs are a great example of how every new Codex should be. I just hope the fluff gets a tad bit better, cuz I'm not really a fan of really bad short stories about Chuck Norris in power armor.

Dreadknight gets my vote though, thing is just awesome over-the-topness that fits 40K. I could totally see a group of Grey Knights being pushed back by endless hordes, only to watch as a massive Dreadknight just comes busting out with scripture written all over it laying down the holy fury.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
Dreadknight gets my vote though, thing is just awesome over-the-topness that fits 40K. I could totally see a group of Grey Knights being pushed back by endless hordes, only to watch as a massive Dreadknight just comes busting out with scripture written all over it laying down the holy fury.

I take it you kind of missed the entire point of the old GK fluff.

They were the lone warriors in a struggle against the forces of chaos. It was never giant robots or advanced weaponry that made the Grey Knights so cool, it was the single Justicar who made his desperate stand against a Geater Daemon and won that made them so epic.

I love psycannons. I don't want to, but I can't help it. They're like some hip new drug that makes you smart, attractive, long lived, oh, and your attacks rend.

I love killing Grey Knights and Space Wolves in a spirit of friendly competition...does that count?

Fafnir wrote:

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
Dreadknight gets my vote though, thing is just awesome over-the-topness that fits 40K. I could totally see a group of Grey Knights being pushed back by endless hordes, only to watch as a massive Dreadknight just comes busting out with scripture written all over it laying down the holy fury.

I take it you kind of missed the entire point of the old GK fluff.

They were the lone warriors in a struggle against the forces of chaos. It was never giant robots or advanced weaponry that made the Grey Knights so cool, it was the single Justicar who made his desperate stand against a Geater Daemon and won that made them so epic.

Yep. And this is why I see GK as a wonderful proxy codex, but definitely not one whose fluff should be taken seriously.

Fafnir wrote:

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
Dreadknight gets my vote though, thing is just awesome over-the-topness that fits 40K. I could totally see a group of Grey Knights being pushed back by endless hordes, only to watch as a massive Dreadknight just comes busting out with scripture written all over it laying down the holy fury.

I take it you kind of missed the entire point of the old GK fluff.

They were the lone warriors in a struggle against the forces of chaos. It was never giant robots or advanced weaponry that made the Grey Knights so cool, it was the single Justicar who made his desperate stand against a Geater Daemon and won that made them so epic.

So 1 justicar can beat a Greater Daemon in the old fluff and that ok, but If Draigo beats Mortarion and wanders the warp thats not, you couldn't get more lone warrior against all odds. Please don't get me wrong it isn't the best bit off fluff and I know you were not complaing about it, but I find people complain about these things and forget it's not the whole story just a snippet of a story to give inspiration for battles campaigns and such.

I like how the codex turned out, although I feel like some problems were not addressed as well as i'd like. for instance, pure GK's still have almost no ranged anti tank. The flavor of the codex is spot on. (not the fluff neccesarily, but the feel of the army and its units) The sad state of Daemon hosts makes me cry, but DC assassins, and the Callidus assasin are full of win!

I'm looking forward to getting it and making a little 500 point force with an Inquister hq small henchman squad and couple of 5 man squads for troops I'll proberly only use them in games of Apocalypse with my Blood Angels but I'll have to kill them at the end in case they look to closely at the death company.

Lucid wrote:I like how the codex turned out, although I feel like some problems were not addressed as well as i'd like. for instance, pure GK's still have almost no ranged anti tank. The flavor of the codex is spot on. (not the fluff neccesarily, but the feel of the army and its units) The sad state of Daemon hosts makes me cry, but DC assassins, and the Callidus assasin are full of win!

They cheeze GK player at my store who proxies 3 blood angel and 3 space wolf dreads as GK dreads with 2 twin linked autocannons with psybolt ammo says your wrong.

Love the overall feel of the unit entries. All PAGK feel similar, but what squad they are in affords them some small differences, like being a purifier vs vanilla strike knight.

ph34r wrote:And this is why I see GK as a wonderful proxy codex, but definitely not one whose fluff should be taken seriously.

Damn straight. Absolutely hate the Dreadknight fluff and model, but could see some Inquisitor having a 'toy' that fits the statline...

Kasper Hawser wrote:
So 1 justicar can beat a Greater Daemon in the old fluff and that ok, but If Draigo beats Mortarion and wanders the warp thats not, you couldn't get more lone warrior against all odds. Please don't get me wrong it isn't the best bit off fluff and I know you were not complaing about it, but I find people complain about these things and forget it's not the whole story just a snippet of a story to give inspiration for battles campaigns and such.

Because Draigo's fights aren't desperate struggles with heavy losses, they're curbstomp battles. It's not a case of a few lone warriors against the overwhelming forces of the warp, it's one lone badass who wins every single time. That's the difference.

Troll makes trollbait thread.

Did you not notice that this thread sort of replicates HALF THE THREADS ON THE FRONT PAGE OF EVERY FRIKKIN' FORUM ON DAKKA right now?

/reported for duplicity. We don't need another.

Orock wrote:They cheeze GK player at my store who proxies 3 blood angel and 3 space wolf dreads as GK dreads with 2 twin linked autocannons with psybolt ammo says your wrong.

I will give you that, GK dread spam is effective but far from the fluff. makes me sad that they seem to be the most spammed units so far.

maybe because 4 tl s8 shots for a pittance more than a vanilla rifleman dread (which was already good) is a bit over the top?

there's a reason people spam psyriflemen dreads, and that is because the unit is a dream.
It can move and shoot,
its moderately priced,
its insanely accurate (especially venerable),
it tears transports apart.
and has a pyschic power that ignores shaken and stunned

honestly, of all the units in the GK codex, I'd wager that those dreads are the most powerful unit in the codex. pound for pound.

Fafnir wrote:

ph34r wrote:And this is why I see GK as a wonderful proxy codex, but definitely not one whose fluff should be taken seriously.

Damn straight. Absolutely hate the Dreadknight fluff and model, but could see some Inquisitor having a 'toy' that fits the statline...

Kasper Hawser wrote:
So 1 justicar can beat a Greater Daemon in the old fluff and that ok, but If Draigo beats Mortarion and wanders the warp thats not, you couldn't get more lone warrior against all odds. Please don't get me wrong it isn't the best bit off fluff and I know you were not complaing about it, but I find people complain about these things and forget it's not the whole story just a snippet of a story to give inspiration for battles campaigns and such.

Because Draigo's fights aren't desperate struggles with heavy losses, they're curbstomp battles. It's not a case of a few lone warriors against the overwhelming forces of the warp, it's one lone badass who wins every single time. That's the difference.

We don't know there not desperate struggles there only small paragraphs saying he did this he did that for example It could be said that after Mortarion killed the old Master, Draigo ordered the whole chapter to bring Mortarion down, Mortarion decimated the Grey Knights killing hundreds but was finally brought to his knees by overwhelming fire power giving Draigo the oppotunity carve the old grand masters name in his chest.
All I'm really saying is the fluff has always been hit and miss even in the old days it's only there to inspire battles and campaigns or moan about on forums whichever you prefere.

I like the models and... yea, that's where it stops.

Fafnir wrote:

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
Dreadknight gets my vote though, thing is just awesome over-the-topness that fits 40K. I could totally see a group of Grey Knights being pushed back by endless hordes, only to watch as a massive Dreadknight just comes busting out with scripture written all over it laying down the holy fury.

I take it you kind of missed the entire point of the old GK fluff.

They were the lone warriors in a struggle against the forces of chaos. It was never giant robots or advanced weaponry that made the Grey Knights so cool, it was the single Justicar who made his desperate stand against a Geater Daemon and won that made them so epic.

Grey Knights are shock troopers beyond measure.

They are called when hell froze over and the last sane man on a planet cut his eyes out as a sign of loyalty.

Sending them in without the absolute best may be awesome on a tough guy scale, but it's more impressive in my books when they show up with something made to cut the throat of a demi-god.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
Grey Knights are shock troopers beyond measure.

They are called when hell froze over and the last sane man on a planet cut his eyes out as a sign of loyalty.

Sending them in without the absolute best may be awesome on a tough guy scale, but it's more impressive in my books when they show up with something made to cut the throat of a demi-god.

I kind of like "awesome on a tough guy scale"

I had a game where a squad of bloodletters dropped and ran to spread out near one of my wave serpents filled with storm guardians. My Eldar civilians armed with close combat weapons wearing paper mache armor hopped out of their wave serpent, ran towards the demons of the blood god, hit em with their flamers knocking them down to about 4 letters, then charged into them. Due to simultaneous strikes, and the charge bonus, the Storm Guardians wiped the letters. Obviously the odds were in my favor, but the fact that my civilians persevered over close combat demons is bad ass.

I've always thought ordinary people in extra ordinary situations- and coming through is way more bad ass then say
genetically engineered super super (an extra super in the case of GKs) soldiers in the best armor, and the best wargear the entire imperium has to offer.

Maybe this is why I am not a space marine player, and its undeniable that these super soldiers might have a shock and awe aura about them when they waltz in and curbstomp a daemon, but they can never be as bad ass as Guardians or an Imperial Guardsmen charging headlong into a demonic incursion against all odds, and winning.

Kasper Hawser wrote:We don't know there not desperate struggles there only small paragraphs saying he did this he did that for example It could be said that after Mortarion killed the old Master, Draigo ordered the whole chapter to bring Mortarion down, Mortarion decimated the Grey Knights killing hundreds but was finally brought to his knees by overwhelming fire power giving Draigo the oppotunity carve the old grand masters name in his chest.
All I'm really saying is the fluff has always been hit and miss even in the old days it's only there to inspire battles and campaigns or moan about on forums whichever you prefere.

If you sacrifice hundreds of grey knights to get your mits on a Primarch, you aren't going to try to carve something on his heart. You are going to try to kill him quickly before he wipes out 100s more years of GK marine training.

Kasper Hawser wrote:

Fafnir wrote:

BeefCakeSoup wrote:
Dreadknight gets my vote though, thing is just awesome over-the-topness that fits 40K. I could totally see a group of Grey Knights being pushed back by endless hordes, only to watch as a massive Dreadknight just comes busting out with scripture written all over it laying down the holy fury.

I take it you kind of missed the entire point of the old GK fluff.

They were the lone warriors in a struggle against the forces of chaos. It was never giant robots or advanced weaponry that made the Grey Knights so cool, it was the single Justicar who made his desperate stand against a Geater Daemon and won that made them so epic.

So 1 justicar can beat a Greater Daemon in the old fluff and that ok, but If Draigo beats Mortarion and wanders the warp thats not, you couldn't get more lone warrior against all odds. Please don't get me wrong it isn't the best bit off fluff and I know you were not complaing about it, but I find people complain about these things and forget it's not the whole story just a snippet of a story to give inspiration for battles campaigns and such.

Heres the difference
Mortarion is a daemon Primarch, infnitely more powerful than any greater Daemon
Draigo, by himself, according to the codex, smashed through his troops singlehandedly, beat down Mortarion and carved his predecessors name into his heart
All by himself
Forget the fact that Angron and 12 bloodthirsters took 100 Grey knights to take down, with most dying
Forget the fact that Mortarion never leaves his homeworld, because if he did Typhus's role would be utterly worthless

No what we focus on is this fact, that he carved his name into a DAEMON PRIMARCHS heart, by himself, beating through his guard alone to do so instead of attempting to banish something that powerful

The difference between that and the Justicar fighting against a greater daemon is the struggle, that the enemy could very well kill him, it has already killed fellow Grey knights and that the chances of him winning are slim to none, but through his training and dedication to the Emperor, he manages to pull through this and defeat a evil and powerful monster of the warp

Instead we have Chuck Norris pointing his finger at Mortarion and saying bang.
Thats not even going into the ridiculousness of the stuff he does in the warp
In fact the only good part of his fluff would be when he fights M'kar

We're getting way off track here when the OP's topic was pretty neat. If some guy actually likes the DK and thinks Draigo makes any sense at all, let him be wrong

As for me, I have a lot of favorites in the codex. Insane, pseudo-religious xenophobes. The Inquisition in Europe provides some really wild imagery for things like 40k and Berserk. Very cool. Just wish we could get more poses for certain henchmen.

Assassins and especially the sniper because my Eldar Rangers aren't real snipers. They're just fancy scouts. I love snipers in any game and I'm glad the Vindicare has finally got enough damn bullets to live up to his title.

Paladins who can just march in blasting and chopping at everyone nearby. With a lot of psychic energy flying around and mystical looking stuff happening, the battle imagery is just way too cool.

I been waiting since 3rd edition Deamonhunter to have an Army that can complete with other armies. To tell you the truth GK is the new Left Blower and it better then IG.

mrblacksunshine_1978 wrote:I been waiting since 3rd edition Deamonhunter to have an Army that can complete with other armies. To tell you the truth GK is the new Left Blower and it better then IG.

How is it better than IG just out of curiosity? It can't outshoot them, it can't outnumber them, it can outfight them but what can't?

Ok my Draigo example has upset people I'm not a fan of it, all I was saying (if people read my comments) is fluff is just there to inspire battles and campaigns.
I'd love to have a apoc battle using my Mortarion, Death Gaurd and nurgle daemons against the grey knights and Draigo.