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Personally i'm a bit tired of fighting in the CC era. i'd like to see assaults change. Specifically being able to fire at an oppoent who's charging you at a loss to your CC ability on that turn. Something like charge reactions in fantasy. Stand and shoot and all that, but a simpler version. Maybe -1A for every model in the squad but you get to fire at the squad charging you.

There are alot of things they could impliment, but I'd swallow a good amout of Acceptable Breaks From Reality if it means the game will be simpler to understand. As it stands GW already has a poor track record of proofreading their rules and the resulting rules lawyering shenanigans that follow, adding onto it isnt exactly the best to do.

I would like to see rules for weapon emplacements, rending on any chainweapon, a section on creating your own vehicles with points values for anything and everything you could do to make said vehicle, more mission types, make plasma weaponry ignore light and medium cover, and lastly adding a rule for throwing grenades (as possibly a 2nd shooting faze for throwing grenades only, even if you could throw one 8 inches would be nice)

I would like some definition to what a "Flame" weapon is and what a "Plasma" weapon is, for the sake of the Avatar's and the Plasma Siphon's special rules respectively.

I'd love to see a great big nerf for vehicles, to get out of the 'mech is king' mindset and make hybrid armies viable.

Oh, and a buff for assaulty armies. Because we all know that just plinking away at each other all game with lazors is not that much fun.

Two of the following - change the vehicle damage tables to make them a bit more fragile, change their cover rules so they take glancing hits instead of getting a cover save, bring back entanglment for units that were in a transport when destroyed.

Just one of those should have been enough in 5th edition to make transports better. All 3 made them ridiculous. Watching a futuristic traffic jam is not my idea of fun 40k.

More Missions really. Run should be 2d6, pick the highest.

Two from the top of my head:

-Get rid of wound allocation. It doesn't do what they want it to do. Also why can't a boltgunner just pick up the flamer? Doesn't make much sense, and doesn't achieve its goal. This would get right of some shenanigans and speed up the game.

-Reduce how easy it is to get a 4+ cover save. Make 5+ cover the norm.

edit: Oh yeah and bring back Victory points as a 4th mission type.

Definitely less vehicular focus. Make shooting slightly better maybe? 20 bolter shots kills 2 MEQ on average, kinda lame :/

Run is already a vast improvement for many armies. Its good enough as is IMHO.

I really hope they don't bring back VP. Kill points may seem to not make sense, but currently its one of the only things discouraging people from MSU spamming- and even in that regard it was only partially effective.

I would like to see a nerfing to cover saves. giving a ubiquitous 4+ is kinda crazy. Maybe reduce the standard cover save to 5+.

Make Glances -1 on the Vehicle damage chart instead of -2. That way tanks can still be wrecked on a glance with non ap1 weapons.

EDIT: I also agree with Dracos. Wound allocation should go. Its nice for the defender because it protects their special dudes + weapons, and its nice for the firer because their wounds don't dissipate into the vortex of allocation (where firing heavy bolters in addition to the battle cannon can often result in fewer actual kills and other sillyness). I think the cons of wound allocation outweigh the benefits.

They should bring back the Target Priority Rule from before, but keep the 4+ cover saves if you're using swarms to screen something.

But what happens when they remove mech armies advantage, and armies like the Guard/orks will still flourish? Personally, i love mech, because they all bring lascannons and lances and such, when im fielding mostly infantry.

"I heard Guard so i loaded up on Dark Lances..." - Kiebler

nerf cover saves, I'm sick of seeing guard squads or orks getting 4+ saves just cos half the squad is standing on the grass that is attached to terrain and therefore still counts as area terrain.

I want to see a few things change.

Wound Allocation: I dont think it needs to be taken out compleetly. I think you should only be able to allocate to different armor/invul saves not different wargear options. Meaning things like nob biker squads couldnt allocate wounds seperatly... its just timewasting and annoying.
Example: 5 Assault termies takes 5 plasma wounds. 3 5+ on the lightning claws, 2 3+ on the storm shiels. This makes sense to me. NOT this current nob bikers/palladins crap...
I would also make them allocate different ap shots at different times.
Example: That same assault termie squad gets 5 plasma/5 bolter wounds. You would have to allocate both different AP shots differently. IE 1 plasma 1 bolter on each model. This way you cant toss all your AP2 on the shields...

I want to see this cover saves stuff go away. 4+ for a tree... think if a lascannon hit a tree, what would happen to the guy behind it? 5+ needs to be the norm. And cover for vehicals needs to be glancing only, and glancing needs to be -1. Instant fix of vehical rules IMHO

Reducing the cover save would be bad. First off their is already a balance for the save: slower movement. Second, armies with high armor lose next to nothing, while low armor armies get screwed.

You only move slower if you are in the terrain. As long as LOS os obescured enough, you can get that cover save without hampering movement.

And high armour value armies like Marines get the enough of a benefit for being on cover - protection from AP1/2/3 weapons.

-Loki- wrote:You only move slower if you are in the terrain. As long as LOS os obescured enough, you can get that cover save without hampering movement.

And high armour value armies like Marines get the enough of a benefit for being on cover - protection from AP1/2/3 weapons.

And last I checked, that only took up >%10 of all the weapons in the game, and most of those are usually meant for anti-tank.

Without wound allocation Nobs and especially Paladins would be overpriced. Paladins would be useless without the current form of wound allocation.

Luke_Prowler wrote:

-Loki- wrote:You only move slower if you are in the terrain. As long as LOS os obescured enough, you can get that cover save without hampering movement.

And high armour value armies like Marines get the enough of a benefit for being on cover - protection from AP1/2/3 weapons.

And last I checked, that only took up >%10 of all the weapons in the game, and most of those are usually meant for anti-tank.

And yet armies can still be packed full of them. IG vets with special weapons, Long Fangs, LasPlas razorbacks, etc.

There's a reason people always fall back to the argument of 'that unit sounds good, but will melt when it's hit by 10 missiles in one turn', not 'that unit sounds good, but it will melt when hit with 60 bolters in one turn'. MEQs are pretty well protected against everything except AP1/2/3 weapons. Easy 4+ cover makes them almost as resiliant against the weapons designed specifically to kill them.

I think that non-open topped vehicles with passengers in them that get wrecked or exploded should auto-kill the passengers.

Warboss Gutrip wrote:I'd love to see a great big nerf for vehicles

Please no, we don't need a return to 4th edition in this regard.

Oh, and a buff for assaulty armies. Because we all know that just plinking away at each other all game with lazors is not that much fun.

Methinks you are playing the wrong game here at this point.

Dashofpepper wrote:I think that non-open topped vehicles with passengers in them that get wrecked or exploded should auto-kill the passengers.

You'd see transports for non-DE/Ork armies be rarer than 4E Chimeras. I.E. nonexistent. Overbalance is not balance.

akaean wrote:

I really hope they don't bring back VP. Kill points may seem to not make sense, but currently its one of the only things discouraging people from MSU spamming- and even in that regard it was only partially effective.

It's not very effective in the first place and is basically a crutch for deathstar armies. Creates at least as many issues as VP's, which generally give a more accurate picture of the battle anyway.

Make Glances -1 on the Vehicle damage chart instead of -2. That way tanks can still be wrecked on a glance with non ap1 weapons.

You mean like back in 4E? Again, please no, there are very good reasons they ditched this. It makes what should be purpose-built anti-infantry weapons far too capable at engaging armor.

Then maybe a higher strenght hit or an actual AP. Personally it sucks when you blow a land raider and the power armored SMs inside only suffer a lasgun blast.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Then maybe a higher strenght hit or an actual AP. Personally it sucks when you blow a land raider and the power armored SMs inside only suffer a lasgun blast.

That can be fixed by bringing back having the unit being pinned. There needs to be some risk to the unit being transported.

MechaEmperor7000 wrote:Then maybe a higher strenght hit or an actual AP. Personally it sucks when you blow a land raider and the power armored SMs inside only suffer a lasgun blast.

Well, bolter blast. That said, yes, explosions should hurt a bit more. Auto-killing them will just make transports far too much of a liability. I'd be fine with something like "must pass an initiative test or take a wound with no saves allowed". It'd make explosions scarier for most races (excepting Eldar, but if they get shot out they're generally screwed anyway) resulting in doubling average casualties against MEQ units for example, without consistently making transports deathtraps.

I never liked the old auto-pinning. It never made sense. It's too hamfisted. Nobody is going to sit right next to their just exploded transport that's likely still on fire and may explode again, they're going to get away from it as fast as possible.

I wouldn't mind seeing a return of psychology. It would be difficult to blanket rule in without extensive FAQs, but I really liked that aspect of 2nd edition. It may have been lost due to 'streamlining', but however you want to look at it, Guardsmen shouldn't be automatically holding their ground when a Bloodthirster rips itself into realspace.

Dashofpepper wrote:I think that non-open topped vehicles with passengers in them that get wrecked or exploded should auto-kill the passengers.

Are you crazy?! It's almost half of my guardsmen get killed with their transport same with marines! I bet you play dark eldar or orks and want to be better than other people!

Vaktathi wrote:I never liked the old auto-pinning. It never made sense. It's too hamfisted. Nobody is going to sit right next to their just exploded transport that's likely still on fire and may explode again, they're going to get away from it as fast as possible.

True, but I saw it as representing the people being transported climbing out of a twisted, wrecked crew compartment. it's not like all the doors pop open nice and neatly and the vehicle just stops. Doors jam, vehicles flip, even fires blocking the doors. There's plenty of reason for it to take time for people to climb out of a wrecked vehicle that's just been destroyed.

Game wise, the way it is now, there's simply no drawbacks to meching up. You're faster, you're more survivable, vehicles get cover saves, damage tables are geared to be less punishing, and the most you'll do when a vehicle explodes around you is stub your toe as you casually walk out, totally combat ready. Points cost is a non-issue when transports are as cheap as they are now.

Dashofpepper wrote:I think that non-open topped vehicles with passengers in them that get wrecked or exploded should auto-kill the passengers.

Of course the DE/Ork player would say that...

-Loki- wrote:I wouldn't mind seeing a return of psychology. It would be difficult to blanket rule in without extensive FAQs, but I really liked that aspect of 2nd edition. It may have been lost due to 'streamlining', but however you want to look at it, Guardsmen shouldn't be automatically holding their ground when a Bloodthirster rips itself into realspace.

That'd require a reboot and significant recosting across the board. Also, given how many Fearless/Ld10/Rerollable Ld units are in this game, it'd likely only really have a major effect on a couple of armies. Not really worth it I think.

I mean, Chaos wouldn't care about psychology, and of course you can't have Space Marines being scared, then the Eldar fanbois couldn't possibly stomach their ladies fleeing from something scary, and Dark Eldar are too desensitized, automaton Necrons really aren't going to flee in Terror from anything, the Sisters would obviously have exceptions for being too Faithful, and so basically you'd be left with only the Imperial Guard and Tau, and smallish Ork units, that would really care after all was said and done for the most part. I can't see it really being worth it.

-Loki- wrote:

True, but I saw it as representing the people being transported climbing out of a twisted, wrecked crew compartment. it's not like all the doors pop open nice and neatly and the vehicle just stops. Doors jam, vehicles flip, even fires blocking the doors. There's plenty of reason for it to take time for people to climb out of a wrecked vehicle that's just been destroyed.

Game wise, the way it is now, there's simply no drawbacks to meching up. You're faster, you're more survivable, vehicles get cover saves, damage tables are geared to be less punishing, and the most you'll do when a vehicle explodes around you is stub your toe as you casually walk out, totally combat ready. Points cost is a non-issue when transports are as cheap as they are now.

Possibly, but It'd be more realistic, and often more entertaining, to think something like having to move 2d6" in a random (scatterdie) direction away from the vehicle. It'd also be funny to see vehicles that have a chance of exploding on subsequent turns as ammo stacks go or fuel, etc.

Just pointing out that Entangled goes a way to representing this. Gives a slight risk to a unit in a transport to offset the plethroa of advantages it gives.